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November 28, 2009

Vonda Wood (27 Nov 2009) “Wrath, tribulation and the church”

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Vonda Wood is a long but must read article about the Rapture, the Wrath of God and an answer to Ron Reese about the half our of silence in Revelation not being the half hour Obama broadcast on October 29, 2008.

Very good Vonda.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/vondaw1127-2.htm

Vonda Wood (27 Nov 2009)
Wrath, tribulation and the church

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November 25, 2009

Laura (25 Nov 2009) “THE SOURCE OF OBAMA’S ANTI-ISRAEL POLICY”

Filed under: Biblical Prophecy, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 9:18 pm

This is a very interesting letter from a black woman lawyer who also graduated from Harvard. It is worth reading.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/laura1125.htm

Laura (25 Nov 2009)
THE SOURCE OF OBAMA’S ANTI-ISRAEL POLICY

November 24, 2009

Internet out for site

Filed under: antichrist, escatology — twelvebooks @ 10:01 pm

I just tried to get into www.fivedoves.com and a the following message poped up. Please notice the Zeus technology signature.  Zeus is the Greek god that represents Satan.

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November 24, 2009 Lotto & Billionaires Proof Obama 666 antichrist

November 24, 2009 Lotto & Billionaires Proof Obama 666 antichrist

John Tng has written an article in fivedoves.com that again offers more proof that Obama is the 666 Antichrist.

Good job John may Jesus bless you greatly for your dedication to His name and Word. You have truly uncovered a multitude of encoded things pertaining to this lawless man.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2009/2009_signs.html

John Tng (24 Nov 2009)
“Supernatural SIGNS”


Dear Doves,

 

The hour is late. The stage is set for the grand entrance of the antichrist to begin the countdown to Armageddon. We are on the brink of the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus 2000 years ago. The timing of the Apocalypse hinges on the revealing of the lawless one. Is he already in power? Has he begun pulling the levers of world politics to bring in global governance? Are there supernatural signs we can discern that point to him as the beast?

In accordance with Amos 3:7, God has not been silent. The unsealing of the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation is gathering pace even as the world hurtles towards the end of days at breakneck speed. God has spoken to many watchers in a multiplicity of ways — dreams & visions, insights & understanding of prophetic scriptures, and numbers & gematria. In this article, I want to share with you a few numbers that will totally blow you away. They originate from the most surprising of sources. The supernatural signs wrought by these numbers are only possible because God is able to order events and exercise sovereign control over the affairs of man. He is still the Boss.

SIGN #1: Lot 666

On the day Obama won the election and became the most powerful man in the world, the Illinois pick 3 lottery drawn was 666. (Obama was a senator of Illinois before election.) Many believe this is a SIGN. The sceptics, however, are none too impressed by this 666 lottery and poo poo the believers who seem to them to make much ado about nothing.

I dug a little deeper and came away convinced that this is indeed a sign from God. I did a search on past winning numbers and was shocked at what I found in the table below (see link).

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9
8
0
1
9
8
1
1
9
8
2
1
9
8
3
1
9
8
4
1
9
8
5
1
9
8
6
1
9
8
7
1
9
8
8
1
9
8
9
1
9
9
0
1
9
9
1
1
9
9
2
1
9
9
3
1
9
9
4
1
9
9
5
1
9
9
6
1
9
9
7
1
9
9
8
1
9
9
9
2
0
0
0
2
0
0
1
2
0
0
2
2
0
0
3
2
0
0
4
2
0
0
5
2
0
0
6
2
0
0
7
2
0
0
8
2
0
0
9
666 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 4 0

The figures went as far back as 1980, presumably the year the pick 3 lottery or its records started. There were four 666 pick 3 winnings in 2008 — the year Obama got elected as the president of the United States! The last 666 winning number came out in the evening draw Nov 5, 2008, several hours after Obama won the election in the early hours on the same day. The frequency of the 666 pick in 2008 is unusually high compared to all other years, including 2009, which registers zero count so far.

Forget about math, statistics and probability. Just think with common sense. Why was there such an unusually high concentration of 666 winnings in Obama’s home state in 2008, the year he won the election? Out of the 366 days in 2008, of all days, why on the same day when Obama became president-elect, the 666 number was picked?

Why?

As I dug deeper, I became more and more astounded by the 666 lottery. If I didn’t know better, I would have attributed the enigma either to super-powerful global controllers or super-intelligent extraterrestrials, pulling strings from behind the scenes. But instead, I believe God has a hand in it. Consider this: The time of the evening draw is 9:22 p.m. (link), exactly 562 minutes after twelve noon. When 562 is added to the English gematria of OBAMA (60+2+1+40+1=104), the sum is 562 + 104 = 666 !!!

More coincidence of course!

Midday draws are at 12:40 p.m., or 40 minutes after twelve noon. Of the four 666 picks in 2008, THREE were drawn in the evening and ONE at midday; thus, the total duration in minutes after twelve noon is 562 + 562 + 562 + 40 = 1726.

I fell out of my chair when I saw the number!

1726 is the English gematria value of US PRESIDENT (933) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (793) !!!!!! Four 666 picks were drawn at the PRECISE time to point to just one man, with the last 666 pick culminating on the day he won the election. Think about that.

Is this even possible?

But with God all things are possible. If we further consider the four mornings we excluded when we computed 1726, the total duration of the four mornings is 4 × 720 = 2880 minutes. This unbelievable total is the English gematria sum of US PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (1154) and US PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (1726) !!!!!!

If God can open the mouth of Balaam’s donkey to convey His words, what makes you think He cannot use the lottery to send a message?

SIGN #2: Ye Rich Men, Weep and Howl

Shortly after Obama assumed office on Jan 20, 2009, an intriguing list of the world’s richest people published by FORBES (link) caught my eye:

The richest people in the world have gotten poorer, just like the rest of us. This year the world’s billionaires have an average net worth of $3 billion, down 23% in 12 months. The world now has 793 billionaires, down from 1,125 a year ago.
At the time of publication in March this year, the total number of billionaires in 2009 stood at 793. Observe that it is neither 792 or 794; it is 793 – the exact English gematria of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA !!!

The ‘coincidence’ is uncanny to say the least. But does it qualify to be a supernatural sign? Is it a valid sign or is it just an insignificant happenstance? When I took a relook at the FORBES figures, a sudden realization dawned on me ………..   In 2009, there are 793 billionaires, a significant drop from the 2008 figure, which is 1125, thanks to the financial crisis.

When I saw the number 1125, I fell out of my chair a second time!

The number 1125 did not mean a thing to me two months ago. I became acquainted with it only recently when I made my major discovery in the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid (link). The secret hidden in the G-Pyramid contains startling information on the election of Barack Hussein Obama (793), the 44th president of the United States in 2008. This ancient secret had been buried in the stones for six thousand years and only saw the light of day after its recent fulfillment. The errie precision of the code makes your hair stand on end. The man, the date, the year, down to the 56th term of office he is currently serving, are dead on.

Apparently six thousand years ago God already knew about the FORBES’ lists of world’s richest people for 2008 and 2009. But this is no big deal for the Omniscient. It is interesting that the billionaire figures are encoded in the OBAMA cluster in such a way as to suggest that he is the money lord of the world. Concerning the antichrist’s theft of the wealth of nations, Isaiah says, “And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.” (Isa 10:14)

The fact that knocks me over and blows me away is this: The black stone 793 (BHO) in the above pyramid illustration is in fact the blue stone 1125 !!!

BLUE STONE 1125 = BLACK STONE 793 !!!!!!
(Read this article for the stone color explanation.)

The FORBES billionaire figures for 2008 and 2009 are both captured in one fell swoop on one stone — the OBAMA stone! To top it all, the black vertical line (illustration above)  representing the 56th column (56th term of presidential office) passes through the blue stones 2008 and 2009 !!!

Can it be any clearer? Can we find a more fortuitous set of circumstances, events or people that can generate such a precise fit?

Hab 1:5 (NKJV)
Look among the nations and watch –
Be utterly astounded!
For I will work a work in your days
Which you would not believe, though it were told you.
Just like SIGN #1, the confirmation provided by SIGN #2 linking the OBAMA code in the Genesis Pyramid and the 1125 billionaires in 2008 & 793 billionaires in 2009, is unquestionably supernatural. Only the all-knowing God is able to foresee the future few thousand years ahead of time and conceal the information in advance for us to search out.

But what do the numbers point to other than the fact that Obama is somehow connected to the world’s richest people?

The simple equation below should dispel all doubts as to the intent of the code.

2008 = 883 + 1125
As reported by FORBES, there were 1125 billionaires in 2008. The difference between the year and the head count is 2008 – 1125 = 883. Is it serendipity, or pure randomness, or synchronicity, or whatever godless New Age mumbo-jumbo currently in vogue, or maybe just plain weirdness, that 883 just happens to be the English gematria of THE ANTICHRIST?

Go figure.


I started writing this article with the purpose of reporting another major discovery I made in the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid (first two articles at link1 & link2). Given the length of this article, it looks like I will have to wait and devote a whole article just for SIGN #3. To whet your appetite, I have basically found the irrefutable proof in the G-Pyramid that shows that 2009 is the Year of the Rising of the Beast.

 

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT IT !

The lawless one is about to be revealed, doves. Just hang on a while longer and our excruciating wait will be over. But, meanwhile, fight the good fight of  faith, lay hold on eternal life, continue to occupy and put up with the flood of evil sweeping across the globe everywhere. It cannot be much longer. God’s patience is fast running out. He will not and cannot strive with reprobate men continually. Of this you can be sure: These men have exceeded the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah many times over.

IT’S ABOUT TIME, LORD!

John

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Kevin Heckle (23 Nov 2009) “President Barack Hussein Obama II equals 666 x 3″

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Gematria, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 3:50 am

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/kevinh1123.htm

Kevin Heckle (23 Nov 2009)
“President Barack Hussein Obama II equals 666 x 3″


John, Something I apparently overlooked, maybe  you knew, that the English Ordinal 6-6 Gematria of President Barack Hussein Obama (Second) equals 1998, which is the triplet of 666!    Here is what we know:   The leader of the most powerful country in the world (USA); a ‘man of peace’ (Nobel Peace Prize); obtained the kingdom with flatteries; a descendant of Ceasar of the Roman Empire; related to Antiochus IV Epiphanes; seeking to change times and laws; has spread the wealth among the fattest places of the province (Wall Street Bailouts); was born on the 9th of AV, the 216th day of the year(1961); 1891 years to the day from the destruction of the Temple in 70AD. (1891 is the 61st triangular number), born in 1961 and came to power in Israel’s 61st year; doesn’t regard the god of his father or the god’s of women (he is a secular humanist and doesn’t regard any god over another); he’s a master of the craft (lies and deciept); Jesus said he saw Satan as BARAK (lightning) fall from heaven (heights – BAMA); is the de facto ruler of modern BABYLON (Iraq); is a charismatic speaker; sheds the blood of the innocent (abortion advocate).   As far as 666 goes, no other current world leader comes close to the 666 value that his name is steeped in:   His first name, BARACK, by the simplest gematria is 36, the root of 666.   The composite English gematria of his given name is 1998, the triplet of 666.   The sum and difference of his alias, Barry Soetoro, equals 666.   The Greek Ordinal value of his given name is 234, which is the same as Lucifer.  The Ordinal 6-6 value is 1404 in which HUSSEIN has a value of 666 and BARACK OBAMA has a value of 6+66+666!   The value of his alias Barry Soetoro 171 is the satellite value of the triangular number 666.  THe triplet of 171 is 513, leaving a remaining core value of 153, the composite English Ordinal and Standard value of BARACK.   The value of his formal name, PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (SECOND) = 1998, the triplet of 666!   The 70 year Biblical generation is coming to a close (2018 at the latest) since the reformation of the Jewish state of Israel in 1948.    What are the odds that all of these Biblical attributes and signs of the antichrist would culminate in one person at this particular time in history?  How could it NOT be him?   In Christ, Kevin Heckle

 

p 96
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Interesting, Kevin! Thanks!
John

Nando

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A good and proper way to dissagree with a fellow believer by Lisa Taylor

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Jesus, Rapture, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 2:55 am

This article by Lisa Taylor was posted on fivedoves.com it is a very good critique of the articles that Ron Reese has written and published in five doves.

I can agree with most of her observations and conclusions.

Good article and a very proper way to show the weaknesses of an argument or train of thought from a very good fellow believer.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/lisat1123.htm

Lisa Taylor (23 Nov 2009)
“To Ron Reese — I must disagree”


Dear Ron,

 

I must disagree with your interpretation of the timing of the Rapture based upon the Joseph narrative.  I too enjoy Biblical typology and have looked into the possible types connected to Joseph.

Please check out my post on this from June 24, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/lisat624.htm

Please note that Joseph already had a Gentile bride in the narrative.  Therefore, it is unlikely that his brothers also represent the Church.  If you read my post, you will see that I believe that the brothers are types for the 144,000 Jews, since they are the patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel.  Their father Jacob is a type of Israel – which makes sense because God changed his name to Israel.

Logistically, the 144,000 Jews must come to the Lord prior to the nation Israel – to whom they will be witnessing.  Thus, the 2 and 5 year division of the 7 famine years could represent the point in the Tribulation when the they are sealed.

For reasons I will not get into here, I believe that there is a 10 year timeframe from the time of the Rapture to the Second Coming.  Consequently, I do not think we have to squeeze everything prior to a 2015 deadline.

Look, even if 2015 is a Jubilee year, you must remember that the fulfillment of the Year of Jubilee must be, by definition, one year long.  Therefore, the Second Coming cannot be the fulfillment of Jubilee.  At most, it could be an event that wraps up the Year.

I personally put Jubilee earlier in the Tribulation.  The Bible clearly states that Jesus begins to reign at the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.  See Revelation 11:15-17.  This is at the mid-point of the Tribulation and prior to the Second Coming.  We are also given this statement in Revelation 10:7:  “But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

Jesus beginning His reign?  The mystery of God being accomplished?  This sure sounds like a good candidate for the start of the Year of Jubilee to me.

Please check out my post on this subject from July 27, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/lisat727.htm

Ron, I do not doubt your sincerity and personal sacrifice.  I fear, however, that you have gotten yourself so married to a 2015 Second Coming that you are jamming a square peg into a round hole.  You have officially started the Tribulation and talked yourself out of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture just to keep your position alive.  The events of the book of Revelation are not even remotely chronological to you.  And now you seem to be playing fast and loose with Biblical types.

If you need to do all of these things to make your position work, then maybe you need to reassess your position.  None of us are 100 percent correct.  And you are among friends here.  It is okay to admit that some things may need to be tweaked.

I do not intend to be harsh or to offend you.  But I believe you know that you have an impact on the opinions of many people – not just on this forum.  That is a grave responsibility.  Sure, a stopped watch could be a sign from God.  But I find that a position’s consistency with the Biblical text to be the ultimate proof that the position is of God.

God bless you.

– Lisa Taylor

November 23, 2009

November 23, 2009 Comments to Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)

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November 23, 2009 Comments to Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)

Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)
“GENESIS 45–JOSEPH’S FAMINE WEEK–THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE!!

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1123.htm

Ron has written a very good letter concerning Genesis Chapter 45.  The following points are things that I agree with Ron.

1)             Barack Hussein Obama is the Antichrist.

2)             The church will be present in the world to know the identity of the Antichrist. This is already a partial fait accompli thanks to John and all the other doves that have presented this evidence and to the Holy Spirit who works in all believers to recognize the Antichrist without the need to prove it as it has been done in fivedoves.

3)             The church is going to be removed before the sudden destruction.

4)             We both agree in the significance of the solar and lunar eclipses dates found by Pastor Mark Biltz as interviewed by J.R. Church, and the link obtained in BG Ellis site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJYI6yoefg

I do not have any disagreement with his letter although at this point I am not 100 % sure that the October 29, 2008 Obama covenant is the seven year covenant referred to in Daniel.

The comparison to the seven years of famine can be correct in my opinion even if the start of the tribulation is not on date of October 29, 2008.

One thing I want to point out about a type in the Old Testament that I think has a direct link to our time is Genesis 19

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. And they said, “This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

The Lord referred to this in Luke Chapter 17

26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot’s wife! 33Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”[d]

Please notice that the two angels could be a type of the two witnesses who were sent with the purpose of warning Lot and his family of the impending judgment. They were sent to destroy the cities and to warn the just.

So my question keeps insisting in my head, where are the two witnesses? The answers that some doves have given are appreciated, but I do not believe that they are correct.

It is a very good article Ron, and I am not a scholar just a student with an inquisitive mind  and a heart full of love for the Word.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

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November 21, 2009

Comments on Ron Reese (21 Nov 2009) “ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, THE RAPTURE SHOULD BE IN THE FALL OF 2010!!!”

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology — twelvebooks @ 6:26 pm

The following article by Ron Reese is a good study of the possible time of the Rapture.  When relying on a type in the Old Testament to draw a conclusion I can only say that it is a possible assumption to interpret the live of Joseph in the seven years of famine with the live of the Church in the years of Tribulation.  It could also be seen as what is going to occur to the 12 tribes of Israel in this seven years, or the protection of the 144,000 sealed Israelis (1000 times multiple of the 12 brothers and the father) in the seven years.  The main argument Ron makes is the date the Tribulation started.  I have already stated my opinion on this subject before.  It is a very good subject for deliberation and study by all the readers and Doves visiting these sites.

May Jesus bless you

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1121.htm

Ron Reese (21 Nov 2009)
ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, THE RAPTURE SHOULD BE IN THE FALL OF 2010!!!

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November 19, 2009

Nov 19, 2009 The Tribulation and Obama the 666 a discussion

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 7:12 pm

The following article has a lot of good info in it and it is the reason that I am placing a link to it. I have questions about Mr. Reese’s assertion that the seven years started on October 28, 2009.

My doubt is related to the content of the prophesy in the book of Daniel which reads :

The Seventy “Sevens”

20 While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill- 21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision:

24 “Seventy ’sevens’ [c] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish [d] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. [e]

25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ’sevens,’ and sixty-two ’sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ’sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [h] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ’seven.’ [i] In the middle of the ’seven’ [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k][l]

The seven used twice has to be consistent both times or the intent of the paragraph is altered. The AC entering on the Temple is implied as breaking of the covenant which seems to imply that it was to worship the Lord of Israel.  The seven is also implied to be years as the verses before indicate and this seven is the last week of years that God uses with Israel (seventy weeks).

Another fact that bothers me is the two witnesses that on the Chapter 11 of Revelation are given 1260 days to prophecy. They are killed after the second woe which is the sixth trumpet Judgment.  After the second woe the seventh trumpet is blown and we see the woman clothed with the sun.  She fled into the desert for 1260 days.

These two mentions of 1260 days seem to indicate the two halves of the seven years and they appear to follow one to the other.

If this is true the two witnesses must start their ministry on the first day of the seven. Where are you witnesses?

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1119.htm

Ron Reese (19 Nov 2009)
Great Trib starts Apr. 11, 2012–CONFIRMS 10/29/08, CONFIRMED IN THE HEAVENS!!!!

November 16, 2009

Nov 16, 2009 Napoleon, Hitler & Obama, Three Antichrists?

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Gematria, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 1:03 am

November 16, 2009 Reply to Ted Porter Chapter VI

Ted Porter (14 Nov 2009)
The Lawless One – Chapter VI


http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/tedp1114-1.htm

First let me express my thanks to Mr. Porter for the time and dedication taken for the series. I think that it is until now an excellent and ingenious rendition of a difficult subject.

In your play you identify three antichrists with the first three seals of the book of Revelation and I must state emphatically that in my opinion this is a wrong conclusion.

Napoleon Bonaparte is definitively a Type of the Antichrist but he is not the rider of the white horse.  Adolph Hitler is a more exact Type of the Antichrist, but he is not the rider of the red horse.  Antiochus Epiphany is a Type of Antichrist that was mentioned in the book of Daniel, but he was not the Antichrist as many have thought before.

Your third Antichrist Barack is the Antichrist and he is the rider of the white horse.  By implying the identity of the other two and relating them to the first and second seals you are going out of the time frame of seven years given in the same book of Revelation and in the book of Daniel.

Your explanation of the bow as being confused with its true meaning can only occur in the English language. In Spanish the word for bow is arco and this word has no other meaning in this language. I have looked at five different Spanish Bibles and all have the word arco. One of the oldest translations is inserted here. I am also including other languages, including the French translation.

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Revelation 6 Spanish: Sagradas Escrituras (1569)

1 Y miré cuando el Cordero hubo abierto el primer sello, y oí al primero de los cuatro animales diciendo como con una voz de trueno: Ven y ve. 2 Y miré, y he aquí un caballo blanco; y el que estaba sentado encima de él, tenía un arco; y le fue dada una corona, y salió victorioso, para que también venciese.

 

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Revelation 6 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas (1997)

Los primeros cuatro sellos

 

1 Vi cuando el Cordero abrió uno de los siete sellos, y oí a uno de los cuatro seres vivientes que decía, como con voz de trueno: Ven. 2 Miré, y he aquí, un caballo blanco; y el que estaba montado en él tenía un arco; se le dio una corona, y salió conquistando y para conquistar.

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Revelation 6 Spanish: La Nueva Biblia de los Hispanos (2005)

1 Entonces vi cuando el Cordero abrió uno de los siete sellos, y oí a uno de los cuatro seres vivientes que decía, como con voz de trueno: “Ven.” 2 Miré, y había un caballo blanco. El que estaba montado en él tenía un arco. Se le dio una corona, y salió conquistando y para conquistar.

 

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Revelation 6 Greek NT: Westcott / Hort, UBS4 Variants

Καὶ εἶδον ὅτε ἤνοιξεν τὸ ἀρνίον μίαν ἐκ τῶν ἑπτὰ σφραγίδων, καὶ ἤκουσα ἑνὸς ἐκ τῶν τεσσάρων ζῴων λέγοντος ὡς φωνὴ βροντῆς, ἔρχου.καὶ εἶδον καὶ ἰδοὺ ἵππος λευκός καὶ καθήμενος ἐπ’ αὐτὸν ἔχων τόξον καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτῷ στέφανος καὶ ἐξῆλθεν νικῶν καὶ ἵνα νικήσῃ.

 

I do not know Greek, but some of you doves would be able to translate.

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Revelation 6 French: Louis Segond (1910)

1 Je regardai, quand l’agneau ouvrit un des sept sceaux, et j’entendis l’un des quatre êtres vivants qui disait comme d’une voix de tonnerre: Viens. 2 Je regardai, et voici, parut un cheval blanc. Celui qui le montait avait un arc; une couronne lui fut donnée, et il partit en vainqueur et pour vaincre.

 

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Revelation 6 French: Darby

1 Et je vis, lorsque l’Agneau ouvrit l’un des sept sceaux, et j’entendis l’un des quatre animaux disant comme une voix de tonnerre: Viens et vois. 2 Et je vis: et voici un cheval blanc, et celui qui était assis dessus ayant un arc; et une couronne lui fut donnée, et il sortit en vainqueur et pour vaincre.

 

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Revelation 6 Portuguese Bible

1 E vi quando o Cordeiro abriu um dos sete selos, e ouvi um dos quatro seres viventes dizer numa voz como de trovão: Vem!    2 Olhei, e eis um cavalo branco; e o que estava montado nele tinha um arco; e foi-lhe dada uma coroa, e saiu vencendo, e para vencer.

 

Well all these translators in different languages could not have gotten the meaning wrong, and the interpretations of these passages in Revelation have been given by many commentators as the white horse being the Antichrist.

I personally agree with the preceding interpretation and see the white house and the eagle in the seal with the 13 olive branches and the 13

arrows as well as the 13 stars in the form of the Star of David to further give support for this thinking. There are several posts relating 13 to Satan.

I believe that the red horse is the country of Russia with all their Arab allies.

These two horses will clash and they both were given instruments of war. The bow is a swift and far reaching weapon and the sword a personal close quarter fighting weapon. These weapons represent in essence the characteristics of these two Nations armed forces, and the Lord must have used these symbols to further identify the Nations involved. Maybe the red horse corresponds to the prophecies of Ezequiel chapters 38 and 39.

Please research these thoughts and if you find validity in my arguments incorporate them into your play, if not continue with your play and ideas which until now I have considered excellent and well presented.  It definitively was a different departure of conventional exposition on the subject.

Thank you John Tng and doves for all your posts and encouragements.

Yours in Christ Jesus

Nando

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