November 11, 2009 Reply to Kevin Heckle Rapture and the Ethiopian

November 11, 2009 Reply to Kevin Heckle Rapture and the Ethiopian

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/kevinh1111.htm

First a congratulation for a well researched and presented comparison from the book of acts. Thank you also for the many articles about the identity of the Antichrist Mr. Obama.

It is my opinion that the tribulation as the seventieth week of Daniel is mainly for the Nation of Israel and the subjugation of a rebellious humanity to the ruler ship of the Lord Jesus.  As such the church should have no part of it.

²⁴ “Seventy ’sevens’ ^[c] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish ^[d] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

I also believe that the seven seals, seven trumpets and the seven cups of the wrath of God will occur in order and sequence. The first four seals kill one fourth of humanity and I do not see the Lord permitting such a large slaughter of believers during this time.

It is important that all the prophetic scriptures both in the Old and New Testament be considered in espousing an eschatological chronology of events.  Only the true sequence of events will fit perfectly with the prophecies. As you well know our Lord saw all the future, to the most minute details, but He chose what to write for us to discover and understand.

His control of everything that happens is absolute and His Word is perfect. That is why Genesis first sentence has so much information in seven words. It is with a humble spirit that I approach His Word and awe at His Majesty.

Remember that there will be 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes and the two witnesses that are empowered to witness the World for our Lord.  Our job is at the present and we must be diligent in our present witness.  Run with what we have and spread the Word to all you know.  But remember is the Holy Spirit who is in the job of bringing the lost to Jesus and we are only the tools He uses.

Keep the studies and the discoveries; they will be manna for those who are hungry and thirsty.

Thank you John Tng and doves for all your posts and encouragements.

Yours in Christ Jesus

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

BC (11 Nov 2009) “Great video of Pastor Mark Biltz”

Ok visitors the links that are posted here have to do with the Sun, the Moon and the relationship that they have to the feasts of Israel as commanded by the Lord. They are very powerful signs in the heavens that point to the coming of Jesus to start His millennial kingdom.

This discovery by pastor Biltz a messianic jew is of great importance for those that are serious students of the Word. The first I heard of the pastor was last year in an interview with J.R. Church and Gary Stearman of prophecy in the news. I started this blog in the excitement of these revelations which show the short time that we have before the Rapture of the church.

Yours in Christ Jesus,

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/bc1111-2.htm

BC (11 Nov 2009)
“Great video of Pastor Mark Biltz“

 

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This interview of Pastor Mark Biltz is one of the best I have seen!  It has a
lot of interesting information.  The main subject is his discovery of NASA’s
schedule of eclipses, and how they have been and will be signs of important
events in the Kingdom of God.  He also gives some amazing information about the
2008 stock market crash.   BC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmqU2bUpqY

 

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Nov 9, 2009 Hurricane Ida, CW”s post another view

Nov 9, 2009 Hurricane Ida, CW”s post another view

Doves after reading CW”s post it occurred to me that the word Ida in Spanish has a very pertinent meaning to the post and the scripture posted.  Here is the meaning from a dictionary that I googled.  My main language is Spanish.

ida

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journey

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noun

ida

feminine noun

1. outward journey (viaje)

• el viaje de ida lo haremos de noche -> we’ll travel out there overnight
• a la ida fuimos en tren -> we went by train on the way there
• (billete de) ida y vuelta -> return (ticket) (British), round-trip (ticket) (United States)
• idas y venidas (figurative) -> comings and goings

2. (sport)

• partido de ida -> first leg

Copyright © 2006 Chambers Harrap Publishers Limited

ida [ee’-dah]

noun

1. Departure, act of going from one place to another (partida). (f)

2. Impetuosity, rash, inconsiderate, or violent proceeding, silly. (Metaphorical) (f)

3. Act of driving a ball out of the truck-table. (f)

4. Mark or impression of the foot or game on the ground. (f)

• Ida y vuelta -> out and home, round-trip, excursion
• Dejar las idas por las venidas -> to miss the boat
• Viaje de ida -> outward journey

past participle

1. Past participle of IR.

2. Gone.

3. Absent-minded (despistado). (Ante Meridian & Latin American) (m)

4. Nuts, crazy (chiflado). (Ante Meridian & Latin American) (m)

5. Estar ido, to be drunk. (Ante Meridian & Central America & Mexico) (m)

And a link to your post.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/cw119-2.htm

Nando     http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

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Nov 5,2009 Judgment of Islam and Are We There Yet

There are two articles in raptureready.com that are very good and I suggest the readers to read.  The first article by Todd is the Judgment of Islam, and the second by Terry is Are We There Yet.  Both articles relate the events seen in the world to the soon coming of the tribulations.  One fact that both articles do not address is that the major indicator of the soon approaching tribulation is the identity of the Antichrist as Being President Obama as pointed out in many articles in this blog.

When this fact is considered the conclusion has to be that we are there already or just at the door. No analysis of what is happening in the news or in the world will put things more into place that this fact.  The Antichrist is already in power at the most powerful nation in the world and his full control is only a matter of his supporters provoking a crisis that will justify his use of force and the armies of this nation.

I speck that this crisis will be provoked by the Islamic nations in the very near future. The prophecies in the bible show the complete destruction of these Islamic nations.

http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html

Nando

Nov 4,2009 8 hours in heaven

Ricardo Cid is a man who lives in Chile South America, two angels appeared to him and told him that Jesus was taking him to Heaven for 8 hours.  His video link is in the article. A must see!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/cw114-2.htm

C.W. (4 Nov 2009)
““MIRROR IMAGES” – 8 Hours in Heaven / Diane’s

10/24 vision!!!“

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Ron Reese (4 Nov 2009) “OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST AND FINAL 7 YEARS HAVE BEGUN–POSITIVE CONFIRMATION”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr114.htm

Ron Reese (4 Nov 2009)
“OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST AND FINAL 7 YEARS HAVE BEGUN–POSITIVE CONFIRMATION“

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2008/ronr117.htm

Hi John and Doves,

If you missed my letter yesterday, entitled, “Oct. 29, 2008 thru Sept. 23, 2015–HAVE WE ENTERED THE FINAL 7 YEARS???!”, please read that letter before reading this one. I held off a couple of days sending that letter because I have been wrong in the past and I wanted assurance from the Lord that what I believed He had shown me was the absolute truth.  I did not want to get involved again with theories that seemed right, but turned out not to be right.  I was about 98% sure that what I had written was directly from the Lord. I can NOW tell you because of THREE totally awesome confirmations in the past 24 hours that yesterday’s letter has given me ABSOLUTE 100% ASSURANCE THAT WE HAVE NOW ENTERED ON OCT. 29, 2008, THE null WEEK OF DANIEL AND THAT null IS, OR WILL BE, THE ANTICHRIST!!!  PLEASE take the time to read the rest of this letter, before you reject what I have just told you.

For many years I was at the forefront of Bible Prophecy, with my teaching, preaching, newsletters, and tracts.  At many different Bible Prophecy conferences, when only the speakers were allowed tables for their books and tapes, I was the one exception, because I was about the only one writing and producing end-time Bible Prophecy tracts.  The Lord abundantly blessed our ministry in ways that I never dreamed possible. Almost 10,000,000 of our tracts are now in circulation.

Our tract and newsletter ministry and evangelistic ministry went from 1988 thru 2001.  I have never written another tract or newsletter since 2001.  We have been filling a few tract orders and using up our inventory of tracts since then, but other than that, we have not been used in end-times prophecy since that time.  The two main reasons have been my divorce and burn-out.  Both my wife and I had full-time jobs and our ministry took up at least as much of our time as our jobs did. We would receive as many as 78 tract orders in the mail in one day.  Plus, we were raising 3 absolutely fabulous daughters.  I was so sure that the Lord was going to come in the late 1980’s, then I was so sure that the Lord was going to come in the 1990’s, then I was so sure that the Rapture had to be in 2000, or 2001. Burnout and marriage problems hit me about this same time and I could no longer keep up with it all.

I have been on the Lord’s shelf since that time, usually keeping up with some posts on Five Doves, but not involved with any type of real service for the Lord.  That all changed on Oct. 30, 2008, when the Lord chose to take me off that shelf and begin to use me again.  Because nobody else on Five Doves saw what the Lord revealed to me on that day, the Lord left me with no choice, considering the awesome news that hit me like a bolt of lightning and electrified my spirit like nothing ever had before.  It was a divine revelation that directly and instantaneously came from the Lord.  There is no longer the slightest doubt in my mind.  The revelation was that THE null WEEK OF DANIEL BEGAN ON OCT. 29, 2008, AND WILL CONCLUDE ON SEPT. 23, 2015, AND THAT null WILL BE THE ANTICHRIST!!!

I felt compelled in my spirit to comprise the letter that I sent yesterday, which flowed from the Holy Spirit, yet still took 6 hours to read and proofread.  Because of knee surgery, which is keeping me from work for 11 days, and the impending election, I decided to not send the letter until after the election. The night of the election I was up until almost 2 a.m., watching the results and praying.  The conclusion of my prayer went something like this:

“Dear Lord,  It has now been one week since the null week of Daniel began, and I do not know of another person who has seen what you have shown me.  If this revelation is from you, why is nobody else seeing it?  You have given me that bolt of lightning which electrified my spirit when the revelation came.  I felt your Holy Spirit all over me as I comprised that letter. Now, because apparently nobody else has seen what you have shown me, I only feel 98% certain that what I have written is the truth.

Lord, you know that I have set forth other time frames for the possible Rapture and timing of the Final 7 Years, and they have proven to be not correct.  Can you understand the hesitancy in my spirit?  I never want to be involved with misleading people again.  I understand that what You are revealing to me has already happened, and is not something in the future.  After 7 years of being on the shelf, why have you chosen me at this time?  I do not feel worthy of this calling and I do not feel spiritually ready for this calling, but I will accept it, if you will give me confirmation that the information in my 7-page letter is the absolute truth.”

The only other time that I remember throwing out a fleece to God asking for confirmation was in about 1976, when the Lord was calling me to be a minister, which was the last thing that I wanted to do.  He amazingly complied by giving me 3 unbelievable confirmations within 24 hours.  Needless to say, within 2 months, I started going to a night Bible School, despite having a full-time job, and raising a family.  When God spoke like that, I felt absolutely compelled to move and move quickly.  Did I dare have the audacity to ask God for confirmation again?  Because of the magnitude of what I felt the Lord was sharing with me, which was that the Final 7 Years have begun and that null would be the Antichrist, and because of wrong projections in the past, I felt I had no choice, but to ask God for confirmation that this was the absolute truth, so I continued on with my prayer, which went something like this:

“Lord, if will give me a confirmation, it will not matter to me how many people reject this message. It will not matter what their reasons are for rejecting this message.  It will not matter if none of the end-time prophecy ministers receive this message.  I will deliver YOUR message to whomever you lead me to without apology.  Furthermore, I will go forth with this message with boldness and with the power of your Holy Spirit upon me.  Use me Lord, if you choose, in whatever capacity you choose, to get this message out.  I will be faithful in getting out this message, but it will be up to your Holy Spirit to make it real to people.

Lord, [like] so many Christians, I have seen 4:44 on my digital clock, many times in the past year or two.  It was almost uncanny the number of times that Christians would be awakened in the middle of the night at 4:44.  Whenever it happened to me, which was often, I would sense in my spirit that You were telling me that the Rapture and the Sudden Destruction were drawing so close.  I now have the audacity, because of the magnitude of this message and because of past misrepresentations, to ask for you to wake me up at 4:44 exactly THIS morning.  Or because Daniel 9:27 is the verse that You are showing me has now been fulfilled by null, wake me up at 9:27 exactly THIS morning. I need to go from 98% to 100%.  I need to have all doubt removed. Please, please Lord, I really, really need this confirmation.

In Jesus’ name, I pray, Amen.”

I am not going to suggest to any of you, that you throw a fleece out to God like the one that I did.  I will suggest that you ask the Lord to confirm the message of these two letters in His own way to you.  I am praying that what I am about to share with you will be all the confirmation many of you will need.  Others will need more confirmation. I will leave that between you and your Lord.

Here is exactly what happened after I prayed that prayer on election night:

I went to bed around 1:50 a.m.  I awoke three times that morning.  The first time I awoke at 4:47 on my digital clock.  At the time, it meant nothing to me because it was not exactly at 4:44.  I went quickly back to sleep and awoke around 6:15 a.m. to go to the bathroom.  Again, I went quickly back to sleep and was in a deep, deep sleep, when all of a sudden I was wide awake.  It was like someone had startled me in my deep sleep. I never wake up like that.  I hate mornings and I never go from a deep, deep sleep to being wide awake in one quick moment unless it is the alarm going off.  Whether it was angel or the Lord Himself, I do not know, but somehow I was awakened, as God is my witness, at EXACTLY 9:27 a.m. on my digital clock.

Of course, it did not take me long to realize the magnitude of what had just taken place.  The Lord had now removed ALL doubt from my mind. My spirit was energized like it had been a few days earlier when the Lord gave me the revelation.  The Lord of all creation had now spoken with me personally and gave me the VERY confirmation that I had asked Him for. I can now BOLDLY say to all of you reading this letter that WE HAVE NOW ENTERED THE FINAL 7 YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY BEFORE THE 2ND COMING OF CHRIST AND null IS, OR WILL BE, THE ANTICHRIST!!!  But wait, the Lord was not done with me yet.

In the early afternoon of this same day, Oct. 5, 2008, I went to the doctor’s office for a follow-up call five days after my knee surgery. I returned to my car (getting in and out of my car was a little difficult, but I managed), started the engine, and realized the radio had not been turned off, and immediately, here are THE VERY FIRST WORDS I heard come forth from the speaker on the Christian radio program that was on:  “AND HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK”!!!  I COULD NOT BELIEVE MY EARS!!!  The speaker was quoting Daniel 9:27, which was EXACTLY the verse that the Lord was showing me confirming that null is, or would be, the Antichrist, and the null week of Daniel, mentioned in that VERY verse, had now begun.

I drove home in total amazement at what God had just done.  He was making 100% certain that I had NO doubt in my mind about the revelation that He had shared with me. Maybe this 2nd confirmation is for some of you reading this right now more than for me.  I was still in awe of his awakening me at EXACTLY 9:27 (Daniel 9:27), like I had dared ask Him to, and now this happens to me a few hours later.  What are the odds of these two things happening by coincidence?  Astronomical, to say the least.  I asked the Lord for a confirmation within 24 hours and He had now given me 2 unbelievable confirmations, only hours apart.  You who are now reading this letter, now must ask yourself the same question, “What are the odds that those two things could happen by coincidence?”  Those of you with your pre-conceived ideas about how the end times will unfold and where the Antichrist HAS to come from, you must be honest with yourself and admit that these two! confirmations could not happen by coincidence.

But wait, the Lord was not done with me yet.  As I previously stated, in 1976, the Lord gave me 3 confirmations, when I had only asked Him for one.  Would He do the same again?  I felt that I did not need a 2nd confirmation, let alone a 3rd.  I was not about to ask for a 3rd confirmation.  But because of the magnitude of this revelation and because it was so unconventional that almost nobody had seen it, I began to feel in my spirit that the Lord had a 3rd confirmation waiting for me before the 24 hours would expire.

After meditating on the events of the past few days and the writing of my first letter that I was getting ready to send to Five Doves (www.fivedoves.com) that evening, now that the Lord had given me more than enough confirmation, my thoughts kept going back to my first awakening at 4:47 that very morning.  I kept thinking that the many times that I had been awakened in the past, it been at exactly 4:44 a.m.  I could not accept 4:47 as a confirmation, because I had asked for Him to awaken me at EXACTLY 4:44 or 9:27 (Daniel 9:27).  The Lord began to show me that indeed 4:47 was a THIRD CONFIRMATION.

What was I asking for a confirmation of?  A confirmation that Daniel 9:27 took place on Oct. 29, 2008, of course. ” What does 4:44 have to do with Daniel 9:27?”, the Lord seemed to be asking me.  “Nothing that I know of Lord”, was my response.  The Lord seemed to be telling me that awakening me at 4:47 a.m. was AN EVEN GREATER sign because it pertained to Daniel 9:27 and 4:44 did not.  After all, wasn’t that what I was looking for?  The first confirmation that the Lord revealed to me was an awakening at 9:27 EXACTLY within 24 hours as I had asked.  The 2nd confirmation was the voice quoting DANIEL 9:27 EXACTLY THE MOMENT I TURNED MY CAR ON.  Why should not a 3rd confirmation have direct connection to Daniel 9:27 also?  It did not take the Lord long to reveal to me that He had indeed given me a 3rd confirmation, as I kept pondering what happened on Oct. 29, 2008, to fulfill Daniel 9:27. Of course, it was very simple. The 44th President of the U.S. ushered the world into the Final SEVEN years on OCT. 29, 2008.  There it was, 4-4-7.  That is when the Lord chose to awaken me, at 4:47 a.m., and then at 9:27 a.m., EXACTLY as I had asked Him to.

I asked the Lord for ONE CONFIRMATION WITHIN 24 HOURS AND HE CHOSE TO GIVE ME THREE CONFIRMATIONS WITH 24 HOURS.  WHAT A TOTALLY AWESOME GOD!!!  WE SERVE A GREAT AND MIGHTY GOD!  From the bottom of my heart, I say thank you, Lord.  It is now between you and God as to what you do with this information.  You only have two choices really, as far as I can see.  I honestly do not see how anyone can say that the information in this letter and the overwhelming evidence in the first letter could ALL be coincidence.  The evidence for the Final Seven Years beginning on Oct. 29, 2008 AND ENDING ON SEPT. 23, 2015, is OVERWHELMING!  The fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 on Oct. 29, 2008, is also an ABSOLUTE PERFECT FIT, WHICH MEANS THAT null IS, OR WILL BE, THE ANTICHRIST!

The three totally amazing confirmations that the Lord chose to give to me cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be coincidental. It is my conviction that YOU have now been confronted with the TRUTH.  Your only other option is to believe that I am lying about these confirmations.  I have presented to you as truthful of an account of God’s 3 amazing confirmations within 24 hours as I possibly could.  I will leave it up to you and God, as to whether you believe it.

The biggest question that now faces all of us, is what are we going to do with this divine revelation that He has chosen to give us?  Surely, it cannot just be business as usual.  The Rapture could be any day now.  I am persuaded that it will probably be within the next 7 months.  There may or may not be any more warnings than this before the Rapture, which I believe will be simultaneous with the Sudden Destruction, spoken of in I Thessalonians 5:3.  Let us continue to hold on to Psalms 108, which seems to indicate a possible 2008 Rapture.

I never dreamed that Daniel 9:27 would be fulfilled in this manner.  I never dreamed that the null Week of Daniel would begin BEFORE the Rapture.  During the 1st Coming of Christ, the Lord did many unconventional things, not according to how MOST people saw the Scriptures being fulfilled.  Most everybody did not recognize him as the Messiah.   It appears as if the 2nd Coming of Christ is starting out the same way. So we MUST be prepared to let some of our pre-conceived ideas go, as to what we THINK the Scriptures teach us concerning the end-times.  Maybe that is why the Lord has chosen me to give this revelation to.  I am open to the leading of the Holy Spirit.  I am willing to let God be God.  God will never go contrary to what is in His Word.  But He may go contrary to our pre-conceived ideas, even if we believe that is what the Word teaches.

Many of you are going to have questions. Please feel free to respond to these letters with a letter to Five Doves, or respond to my email address at the bottom.  I do not know all of the answers.  The Lord has not revealed to me the whole picture of these Final Seven Years.  I may not get ANY more revelations concerning the future.  This revelation came supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and was confirmed supernaturally by the Lord Himself.  As I have already stated, it went against some of what I had been taught and probably what most of you had been taught.  I am not sure if we are in the Tribulation yet or not.  BUT THE null WEEK OF DANIEL, THE FINAL 7 YEARS HAVE BEGUN, AS OF OCT. 29, 2008!!!  Of that, I am now sure.

Those of you reading this letter who are not saved, it is NOW time to get saved. Repent, and turn away from your sin, and turn towards God, by asking Jesus to come into your heart to become your personal Lord and Savior.  Thank Him for saving you.  Then pray, read your Bible, and go to a fundamental Christian church.  When you pray, take the time to listen, and throughout each day, allow Him to convict you of sin and to lead and guide you.

For those of you [who] are Christian, ask the Lord if there is anything in your life that should not be there and if there is anything that you should be doing, that you are not doing.  Ask the Lord, if there is anything that would keep you from the Rapture of the Church, which could be ANY DAY NOW.  You should be sensing a NEW urgency, unlike any you have ever experienced before.  Ask the Lord what you should do with that NEW urgency.  He will show you.  He will lead you.  He will guide you.  All you have to do is stay totally open to the leading of the Holy Spirit every day.  JESUS IS COMING VERY, VERY SOON!!!  I leave you with my favorite verses.  I believe THAT DAY that is being referred to is the day of the Rapture and the Sudden Destruction.

“And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting (partying), and drunkenness, and CARES OF THIS LIFE, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares.  For as a snare (trap) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus).” (Luke 21:34-36).  Anyone who has read these two letters now has NO EXCUSE to be caught unawares.  Even so, come Lord Jesus!

Ron Reese

rgreese49@aol.com

(Nov 4, 2009) Reply to Ron Reese post of today

(Nov 4, 2009) Reply to Ron Reese post of today

Ron in reading your letter   http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr114.htm

Ron Reese (4 Nov 2009)
“OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST AND FINAL 7 YEARS HAVE BEGUN–POSITIVE CONFIRMATION“

I may be your corroborating witness.  First I want to say that for many years I have held the conviction that the Antichrist was going to come from the USA and in the 1980’s I thought President Reagan was to be him (white & Republican) compared to (black & Democrat) as I believe now. I also thought like you do that the church was going to be present until the opening of the 2^nd Seal the Red Horse of Revelation. You can ask a common friend Dr. A.P. who lives in New Mexico about what I have stated so far.

Last year the Lord showed me some things about the beginning of the seven years that motivated me to start a blog http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com and put the story of what happened.  I also ask the Lord that if I was going to go all out to confirm it to me which He did (May26, 2008) The Coming of Jesus). He also showed me the 444 which you can see in my blog of August 20, 2008 Letter 18

http://twelvebooks.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/license-plate-directional-007.jpg

and see also Kevin Heckle’s post of July 22, 2009

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/kevinh721.htm

On November 3, 2008 I posted the following letter in five doves. If you go back 5 days from the above date it will put you on the date that Mr. Ron Reese says is the beginning of the 70^th week of Daniel, October 29. I started the calculations that follow on the day of the blood moon eclipse of Sukkot 2015, not Rosh Hashana 2015 as you did, but nonetheless our deliberations and methodology of discovery have followed an almost identical path and reached almost the same conclusions.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2008/nando113.htm

DEAR JOHN

IF YOU ADD
2015   271 (9/28/2015)
2014   365
2013   365
2012   366 (FEBRUARY HAS 29 DAYS)
2011   365
2010   365
2009   365
2462 DAYS

SO (SEVEN x 360) 2520 – 2462 = 58
MINUS                                            31 DAYS (DEC)
27 DAYS (NOV)
OR NOVEMBER 3, 2008 TO NOVEMBER 10 2008 FOR THE START OF THE TRIBULATIONS

THE ABOVE CALCULATIONS ARE OBTAINED FROM GOING BACK (SEVEN YEARS OF 360 DAYS) FROM SUKKOT (SEPT 28 LUNAR ECLIPSE) OF 2015 NOT FROM YOM KIPPUR 2015 AS I POSTED WITH DOVES BEFORE.

IF WE PROCEED FROM THE TAKING OF JERUSALEM AND THE ANEXATION OF JERUSALEM (JUNE 7-22, 1967) GOING FORWARD FOR ONE WEEK OF YEARS OR 7×7x360 = 17,640 DAYS TO THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH AS PER DANIEL.

LET US COUNT TO BEGINNING OF 2015:

1967 (6/22)     192 DAYS

12 x 366         4392 DAYS

35x 365           12775 DAYS

17,359 DAYS

NOW 17,640 – 17359 = 281 DAYS OR OCT 8, 2015 WHICH IS 4 DAYS PAST THE FESTIVAL OF SUKKOT, SO THE DATE JUNE 7, 1967 WOULD PUT IT ON SEPT 23-24 2015 WHICH IS YOM KIPPUR.

ALL THESE NUMBERS POINT TO THE POSIBILITY OF THE ANTICHRIST COMING OUT OF THE ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE TRIBULATIONS STARTING THIS COMING WEEK.  IF THIS IS SO THEN THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL IS A YOUNG AND POWERFUL NATION BEHIND THE AC.

THE RAPTURE I AM HOPING IS BEFORE THE TRIBULATION OR AT WORST BETWEEN THE WHITE AND RED HORSE.

I HAVE INCLUDED A CHART OF THE JEWISH FESTIVALS AND A LINK TO YEARLY CALENDARS.

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/index.html?year=2015&country=1

After all of this One thing keeps bothering me and it is the appearance of the two witnesses, that I believe must start their testimony at the very first day of the seven year tribulations or so it seems to be the interpretation of Chapter Eleven of the Book of Revelation.

I hope John or any of the Doves can shed more understanding on this, maybe F.M. Riley can give us an opinion.

Your brother in Jesus

Nando

Nov 2,2009 Rapture first, Anticrist revealed after

In the last few post There has been a discussion of the timing of the Rapture and the reveling of  the Antichrist. The article by Mercer is well written and structurally sound and a must read.  The revealing of the Antichrist is to the whole world in general and does not imply that a few knowledgeable believers can not know his identity at this moment in time before the Rapture.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/mercer112.htm

Mercer (2 Nov 2009)
“Antichrist, and the falling away of 2 Thes. ….I post this regarding the discussions of last week“

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Doves there was much discussion over this last week. I hope you find this helpful.

Antichrist, and the falling away of 2 Thes. chp 2 –  by Patrick Heron – www.raptureready.com

I would like to take an in-depth look at the second chapter of the second epistle of Paul to the saints at Thessalonica. This is very important in assessing the timing of the emergence of the Beast from the Abyss into the world and when the gathering together of the Church will happen. I could spend a lot of time presenting definitions of Greek words and quoting from learned scholars who have done much research on this section. But too much technical information can overburden the reader. So I shall distil the research and provide enough evidence to prove our conclusions are accurate and true. I will dissect this chapter verse by verse and then tie it all together in a conclusion at the end, with the help of God. We begin at 2 Thessalonians 2:1

“Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him.”

Paul is addressing two issues here in this first sentence. First, ‘the coming of our Lord,’ and secondly, ‘our gathering together unto Him.’ These are two separate events and must be distinguished as such. The coming of Jesus Christ back to earth to rule is going to occur at the end of the Apocalypse, which culminates at Armageddon. After this, Jesus will establish His millennial Kingdom where He will rule this earth for one thousand years.

The gathering together, on the other hand, will occur before the events of the Great Tribulation begin and this will become clearer as we advance through this chapter.

Paul uses the word ‘beseech’ in his opening line. This is a very strong word in the Greek and means to ‘earnestly beg’ or ‘to implore.’ It is an extreme use of ‘beg.’ So what is Paul earnestly begging of the believers in Thessalonica?

“That ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

Here Paul explains what he is referring to. He is talking about ‘the Day of Christ.’ As was explained at the beginning of this opus, the ‘Day of Christ’ is another phrase meaning the ‘Day of Wrath’ or the ‘Day of Judgement’ or the ‘Day of the Lord.’ In other words, it is talking about the Great Tribulation and the incidents, which are to occur during this awful time.

Paul says they are not to be shaken in mind or troubled. Again these are very extreme words, which illustrate that the believers were terrified and their minds and hearts were under extreme pressure as a result of something they had heard. What it was that had them in this frightened state of mind which caused them undue pressure was that, ‘the the day of Christ is at hand.’ In the Greek, ‘at hand’ means, ‘present.’ That is, they were terrified because they thought the time of the Apocalypse was present or had begun, and they were to go through it.

Scholars agree that the NASB has the most accurate translation of this verse:

“That you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or by a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the Day of the Lord has come.”

Paul is earnestly beseeching them, begging them, not to be upset or worried that the Day of Wrath had begun. He said they were not to be troubled either by a spirit, nor by word, nor by letter from anyone, that this Day of Christ had begun. He continues:

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

And that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

It is interesting that Paul tells them, ‘let no man deceive you..,’ for there is so much deception going on in evangelical circles regarding this topic. But here we will ignore what man says and adhere only to the Word of truth and allow it speak on its own behalf as we have from page one of this book. For if we stay on the narrow path of the Word, then our passage will be sure and true.

We are not to allow ourselves to be deceived by any man or by a spirit (an evil spirit of deception), working through man; ‘for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.’ ‘That day’ is again referring to the Day of Wrath or the Great Tribulation. And that day cannot begin ‘except there come a falling away first.’ So after this falling away, then the Day of Wrath can commence and when it does, then shall ‘that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.’

Paul is telling us not to allow ourselves to be tricked by any man into believing that the Day of Wrath has begun, for it cannot start until after a falling away. Then when it does start, the man of sin, the son of perdition or Antichrist, will be revealed. But not until AFTER the ‘falling away.’ So what is this ‘falling away’? For this is the key phrase which points to the commencement of the Apocalypse and the revealing of the Beast from the Abyss.

The Greek for ‘falling away’ is apostasia. This word has been transliterated into the English as ‘apostasy’, which means an abandonment of one’s religious faith. Thus the vast majority of Biblical teachers and students believe that in these Last Days, Christians and believers of all hues will turn away from God and from the truths of the Bible and fall by the wayside. Almost every evangelical teacher believes there will be a ‘falling away’ from God in the End Times, and you can read this in books and periodicals and on websites everywhere. They point to the hedonistic ways of the world and to the downward spiral of depravity into which the secular world is going, and they use this to prove that the apostasy is occurring. But this is not the original meaning of the word apostasia in early Greek literature.

Firstly, in the text it reads ‘THE’ falling away and not, ‘a’ falling away as it reads in the KJV. This is a crucial difference. This marks out ‘the falling away’ as a specific event.

Apostasia is made up of two words, apo and stasia. In appendix 104 of The Companion Bible, EW Bullinger defines the various Greek prepositions and what they mean, as Greek is a mathematical language and is very precise. He defines apo thus:

“ Apo governs only one case, the genitive, and denotes motion from the surface of an object, as a line drawn from the circumference of an object…Hence it is used of motion away from a place. Apo may consequently be used of deliverance or, passing away from a state or condition.”

In Greek, apo can be represented as a line drawn starting from the circumference of a circle and going away in an outward direction. Stasia literally means a ‘standing away,’ or ‘to draw out,’ or ‘to separate.’ So the whole word means, ‘a standing away from,’ or ‘a drawing out from,’ or ‘a separation away from,’ or ‘a going out from among.’ The original meaning of this word, which is agreed by many Greek scholars familiar with the ancient texts is, ‘the departure.’ This agrees with the definition of ‘away’ in Greek which suggests ‘a motion from the surface’ or ‘a motion away from a place as a line drawn from the circumference of an object.’

The Geneva Bible, the Cranmer Bible, first published in 1537, the Tyndale Bible published in 1539, preceding the King James Version, all translate this verse, ‘before the Day of the Lord comes, there must come a departure first.’ That is, before the Day of the Lord begins, there must first be a departure of the born-again believers from this world to be with Christ.

Paul Tan, a scholar, did an extensive study on the phrase, ‘falling away’, and had this to say:

“What precisely does Paul mean when he says that the falling away must happen before the Tribulation? The definite article ‘the’ denotes that this is a definite event, an event distinct from the appearance of the man of sin. The Greek word for ‘the falling away’ taken by itself does not mean apostasy or defection. Neither does it mean ‘to fall’ as the Greeks have another word for that (pipto: I fall). The best translation of the word is ‘to depart.’ The apostle Paul here refers to a definite event, which he calls ‘the departure’ which will occur just before the start of the Tribulation. This departure is the gathering together of the Church otherwise called by some, the Rapture of the Church.”

Remember the context of this whole chapter:

1 The coming of the Lord Jesus

2 Our gathering together unto Him.

So ‘the departure’ is referring to the gathering together of the Church of God. Paul had elaborated on this in length in his first epistle to the Thessalonians when he described how Jesus would come briefly and all Christian believers would be caught up or gathered to meet Him in the air. So what Paul is doing here is allaying their worst fears. For some people were teaching that the Day of the Lord, or Tribulation, had already begun and that they were to suffer through it. This is why their minds were shaken and they were greatly troubled and terrified. But Paul reiterates and reminds them that this time of Wrath cannot begin until first there is ‘the departure.’ And only after that will the man of sin, the Antichrist, be revealed. This is why Paul says in verse 5:

“Remember ye not that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?”

He is reminding them that he already spelled out in great detail in his first letter that the Lord would return briefly to gather them together and he finished his passage in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 regarding the Rapture with the phrase:

“Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

For there is no comfort in telling Christians that they are to suffer the horrible torture and persecution and death at the hands of the Devil’s angels in the Great Tribulation. Jesus also stated this truth in John 14:1-4 when He promised His disciples that He was going to His Father’s house but would return for them:

“Let not your heart be troubled; ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father’s house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.”

Can anything be plainer? These are the words of Jesus Himself. He clearly states that He is going to prepare a place for us. He says this twice lest we are in any doubt. For why would He be preparing a place for us if we are to remain here on earth? By Jesus telling us that he is preparing a place for us in heaven, the inference is we are going to be spending some time there. When the time is right, he will return and take us to this house of many rooms. But listen to how the Lord begins this passage:

‘Let not your heart be troubled.’ This ties in with Paul’s statements in both 1 Thessalonians 4 and in 2 Thessalonians 2 where he says, when speaking about the gathering together, ‘Let not your hearts be troubled,’ and also when he earnestly begged them, ‘That ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled.’ Paul exhorted the Christians in his day not to be deceived by any man or by any spirit that may be operating through man. Or by letters or fine words from sincere people, even if they are Bible believing Christians. We are not going through the day of Wrath because the departure of the Christians MUST happen first, then and only then will the Tribulation begin and the man of sin, the Beast from the Abyss will be manifested.

“Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God, sits in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

This is what the Beast will do in the latter part of the Apocalypse. Commentators take from this that a new Temple will be built in Jerusalem and at some time near the end of the Tribulation, the Antichrist will go into the Temple and proclaim that he indeed is the one and only true God. The epistle continues:

“And now ye know what witholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed…”

‘Witholdeth’ and ‘letteth’ are both the same word in Greek, katecho, which means ‘hold fast; hold back; to restrain from going; keep secure; keep firm; that which hinders.’ This is speaking of the Antichrist. And Paul is literally saying, ‘now you know what is holding him fast.’ Or, ‘there is one who is holding him fast.’ Or ‘he who now restrains.’ This agrees with our study so far which has taught us that the Antichrist is in prison, or is being held fast, in an underground jail. And he will be held secure in this prison, ‘until he be taken out of the way.’ What must be taken out of the way before the man of sin can be revealed? According to this chapter so far, there can be only one answer; The Church of God or Body of Christ must depart or be taken out of the way first, before the Antichrist can be released from the place where he is presently being ‘held fast.’

The New International Version translates verse 6 so:

“And now you know what is holding him (Antichrist) back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.”

It is not an apostasy that is holding the Antichrist back. If anything, an apostasy should hasten his arrival. It is the presence of the Age of Grace and the Holy Spirit indwelling the Church of God on this earth, which is preventing the Beast from ascending out of the Abyss at this present time. But when the Church departs, then the man of sin will no longer be held back and will be revealed.

Imagine you are in the departure lounge of an airport. Then you get into the plane and it takes off. The plane goes in a motion away from the circumference of the earth as it ascends up into the air. This is ‘the departure.’ This is the meaning of apostasia. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. For God promised that in the Last Days, He would pour out His spirit on His people. This is evidenced by the fact that thousands are coming to Christ daily around the world and the Word is spreading rapidly, mostly in poorer countries such as Africa, South America and China as well as India.

Paul never mentions a rebellion or a falling away from truth in Thessalonians. The whole context of the epistle is the gathering together, the Day of the Lord and the second coming. So there is no need to worry. Comfort your family and friends with these words. Jesus has promised us that He will return to take us to the place He has been preparing for us for the past 2,000 years. We have little to be fearful of or troubled about for He has spoken; ‘Let not your hearts be troubled.’ Romans 5:9 (KJV) agrees with the thesis that the Church of God is not involved in the Tribulation:

“Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him.”

This truth is reiterated in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 (NIV):

“And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.”

And again in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NIV):

“For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath, but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

How many times must we be told such comforting truths yet still so many refuse to accept and believe. The deceiving spirits that were operating to terrify Christians in Thessalonica are working hard in the Church today. You can believe these spirits if you so choose. But I believe the words of Jesus and of Paul.

Mercer

 

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Ted Porter (31 Oct 2009) “The Lawless One – Chapter V”

The fifth chapter of Ted Porter play is posted today. Please watch the video at the middle of the article.  Also follow the Part II of the video.  Mr. Porters conclusions about Obama’s believes are based on facts and scripture. Hope you enjoy chapter 5.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/tedp1031.htm

Ted Porter (31 Oct 2009)
“The Lawless One – Chapter V”

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Special thanks to John again for hosting Five Doves and to the kind words for Chapter IV/The Lawless One from in particular Ron Reese and Kevin Heckle.  I am encouraged because of all the signs, as I see the day approaching.  And at the same time I am saddened as I see the apostate church so blind, not because they cannot see, but because they will not see.

 

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Ephesians 4:14

A thought as we look for our blessed hope, our Redeemer in the Rapture, remember, as in the times of Noah.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37

Even with Noah, after the rains started to fall, people started dying and drowning all around the ark and the world, it was still over a year before Noah and his family finished their trip and came out of the ark into their promised land.  To be precise, it was a year and 10 days on their calendar which I’d surmise would be equal in our current day to 370 days.

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Luke 21:28

Chapter I

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/tedp105.htm

Chapter II

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/tedp1012.htm

Chapter III

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/tedp1019.htm

Chapter IV

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/tedp1026.htm

Chapter V

There was a quick knock at the door and a head appeared, looking around.  “We’ve got some extra box lunches, would you like some?”  Chuck answered, “Sure, bring them in.”

The stage hand brought in a cart with around 10 box lunches on them and bottled drinks.   “Thanks,” said Chuck.  “Thanks!” said the rest of them as they each took a box lunch.

While they were eating, Chuck began to speak, “You know I had considered another interpretation as well regarding the covenant with many.  I guess it is obvious that there came be a multitude of wrong interpretations.  But, like the parables which have a surface interpretation and then a deeper interpretation, like peeling back the layers of an onion, other scriptures can have more than one correct and true interpretation.  Let me read it again.”

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 9:24

Chuck had a briefcase next to his chair and took out a small loose leaf binder and started flipping through the pages.  “I took various notes as I was preparing the manuscript of “The Lawless One”.  Here we go.  Let’s just take this 30 minute infomercial on October 29, 2008 seen by over 33.3 million people at the time, as being his confirming his willingness to agree with the American people to bring about change and peace.  This agreement had to be also confirmed by the American people.  Guess what, this agreement was confirmed by the American people exactly at the end of the one week when just over 66.6 million people voted for him for President, not counting dead people in Chicago.”

At this, Chuck looked up at his audience.  He watched as one by one they went from having furrowed brow expressions of not understanding, to smirky smiles of understanding.  His attempt at levity wasn’t entirely in vain.  He continued.  “Starting the week count on October 29, 2008, the seventh day would end on November 4, 2008, Election day.  Let’s count the days, 29^th, 1, 30^th, 2, 31^st, 3, 1^st, 4, 2^nd, 5, 3^rd, 6, 4^th, 7.  We have seven days.  We have ONE WEEK.”

Virginia spoke up, “But what about causing the sacrifice and oblations to cease in the midst of the week?”

Chuck said, “Glad you asked.  I’ll ask you a question.  Remember how the 49^th week as prophetic years from Jerusalem Unification Day ends exactly on the most holy day on the Hebrew calendar, Yom Kippur?  What would be on the other end of the spectrum the most unholy day of the year?  In fact, a most unholy day where yearly animal and even human sacrifices still take place today?”

Stuart ventured, “There’s news reports that this happens every Halloween.  We have cases even in our own small community where pets, especially cats, disappear around this time.”

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “The one day when sacrifices are conducted and universally recognized by satanic cults, luciferian societies, druids, goths, gaea mother earth worshipers, wiccan’s, and people who just want to imitate one of these, is Halloween.  And guess what, it fell in the midst of the week between October 29^th, 2008 and November 4^th, 2008.  Halloween!

Everyone sat around the table saying nothing, apparently deep in their own little world, thinking about what Chuck had just shared.

After what seemed like several minutes, Obadiah interjected, “But how’d he get there in the first place?  You just don’t go from nothing to President of the United States without some very powerful people behind you.”

Chuck answered, “The most powerful people in the world!”

“Who are they?” questioned Dave.

“Well,” started Chuck again.  “You would never know who they were unless they wanted you to know.  They like it better that way.  They control events from behind the scenes while we are left trying to figure out what is going on.  For as the good book says.”  Chuck raised his right hand with his index finger pointing up.  He then closed his eyes and brought his left hand across his chest, and began quoting:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

Chuck opened his eyes and returned his arms to rest on the card table.  “Fortunately, I suppose,” said Chuck, “They want you to know who they are.  Although what difference it makes besides possibly to stroke their already large egos, I don’t know.”

Chuck had gotten the attention of everyone in the room so he continued.

“You see,” started Chuck again, “It appears that behind the scenes, this world has been broken up not really by geographical areas but more economic and political areas.  Politics and economics go hand in hand.  And there appears to be ten regents who have been set up over all these areas of the world.  Three of those regents have put their unimaginable resources behind this, pardon the pun, barack sheep.”

Chuck paused.

The five who had been looking and listening to Chuck started looking at each other instead.  Was there a clue on anyone else’s face that one of them already knew what Chuck was telling them?  Finding none, finally Obadiah was the first to speak.

“Well, who are they?”

Chuck said, “Don’t you want to know the Biblical basis for everything I’ve just told you first?  Sometimes it seems we all want to jump right to the punch line.  We want to eat our dessert first.  I’ll get to who they are, but first you have to, in a way, eat your meat and vegetables.  Most people realize the most powerful man in the free world did not get there by his own power.  But most people don’t realize that the Bible predicts that as well.”  Chuck again turned the pages in his well-worn Bible:

And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Daniel 8:24

Chuck continued, “And the three that gave him his power when he came up.”

And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. Daniel 7:20

“There’s that reference to his stern look that he seems to wear on his face so much.  I like the turn of the phrase, “whose look was more stout”.  Of course we also have Daniel 8:23 and its “fierce countenance” reference:”

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Daniel 8:23

“Okay, we get it,” said Virginia.  “Who are they?”

Chuck again spoke, “Instead of just taking my word for it, Dave, you’ve got your computer hooked up to the internet?”  Dave replied, “Sure do.”  Dave had been ignoring his computer which had been plugged into an outlet but pushed aside as they had listened to Chuck and had eaten.  Dave brought it over in front of him and said, “I’m ready.”

“Chuck said, “Okay, Dave.  Type in this address:

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/abigail18-2.htm

Dave brought up the address and they all read.  It had a link to a video so when everyone indicated they were done reading, Dave clicked on that as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k&feature=related

Everybody watched.  They had known the name of the head of the beast, now they knew the names of part of the body that had given power to the head:

David Rockefeller

George Soros

Zbigniew Brzezinski

“Well, that was a letdown,” said Evelyn.

“I can’t say I learned much either,” said Stuart.

Dave said, “I must say I haven’t really followed David Rockefeller.  However, George Soros was pretty visible in the campaign.  He’s made billions trying to wreck various countries currencies.  I hear that if he tries to set foot in some, such as Taiwan, he would be arrested on sight.”

“Sounds like a financial Roman Polanski,” ventured Virginia.

Chuck, Stuart and Dave chuckled.

Dave started typing in his notebook computer.  “I’ve never heard of Zbigniew Brzezinski before though.  How do you spell it?”  Chuck started spelling it out loud.

“Okay,” said Dave, “this is what this guys name numbers look like.”  Dave turned the computer so everyone could see.

	A=1, Z=800	a=6 B=12	a=1 B=2	a=1 B=3	a=1 B=4
Text	Zbigniew Brzezinski	Zbigniew Brzezinski	Zbigniew Brzezinski	Zbigniew Brzezinski	Zbigniew Brzezinski
Gematria	3267	1404	234	450	666
Min to Hours	54.45	23.4	3.9	7.5	11.1
Min Time	6:27	23:24	3:54	7:30	11:06
Clockwise Degrees	27	324	234	90	306
Counter Degrees	333	36	126	270	54
Divisors	Divisors	Divisors	Divisors	Divisors	Divisors
2	1	4	2	2	2
3	27	27	9	9	9
5	1	1	1	25	1
7	1	1	1	1	1
11	121	1	1	1	1
13	1	13	13	1	1
37	1	1	1	1	37
Quotient	1	1	1	1	1

Dave continued.  “I find it sort of interesting with the 3 cubed and 11 squared and the 333 on the main number count.  And of course the 36, 234, and 666 in the lesser number counts.  But then, these are lesser number counts so I don’t give too much weight to them.  Sorry about that, I was just curious.”

“Nothing wrong with being curious,” said Virginia

“Curiosity killed the cat,” said Stuart

“Only on Halloween,” said Virginia.

“Let’s not get too sidetracked,” said Chuck.  “Let me instead pose a question to you.  What do you think the word “craft” means in the following verse.”  With that, Chuck started reading.

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Daniel 8:25

Virginia was the first to speak, “witchcraft.”

Dave spoke up, “I think it means craftiness.  And the one craft or trade which is the art of craftiness itself is, being a lawyer.  And we all know who is a lawyer, who even taught law, constitutional law, can you believe it.  And we also know that he has spent untold millions, well at least millions funneled through him, on lawyers, mainly to keep his past hidden.”

“Very good,” said Chuck

Obadiah spoke up, “That wasn’t a lawyer who killed the guy who accessed his college records or his romantic partner Donald Young.”

“How do you know?” asked Chuck.  “For doesn’t the good book say that he was a murderer from the beginning?”

“The beginning of what?” asked Evelyn.  “How do you know that isn’t talking about the beginning of life?  How do you know that isn’t talking about womb infanticide?”

“Could be both,” said Chuck.

“Stuart said, “I can just imagine his handlers telling him if he wanted to become president he had to give up cigarettes and Donald Young.”

“Don’t the two go together?” asked Virginia.

“Guess he was a barack widower,” said Stuart.

“Did you get a load of that black widow dress Michelle wore to the inauguration?” asked Virginia.

“Cut it out,” said Dave.

Chuck spoke up, “Yes, let’s get serious.  Don’t underestimate these three men.  Regardless of what we know or don’t know about them, we have the AP hailing this guy in 2004 as the first Kenyan to become a United States Senator.  That has to all be covered up.  Then we have him hailed as the first African American to run for United States President.”

Virginia said, “Wasn’t it AP who was suing some guy for painting a picture they said was based on a photograph that belonged to them?”

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “But continuing, we had to try to bury the stories of his grandma stating she was present at his birth in Kenya.  We have a team of lawyers get sealed all his college and hospital records, anything that could give a hint to his foreign status.  We have to carefully control the image that was given to the American people.  We have to do whatever it takes to discredit and destroy all opposition.”

“Guess they missed World Net Daily,” said Stuart.

Chuck ignored Stuart and kept going.  “We have to float the idea of how “Arnold Swartzenegger” would be the best choice for the Republican presidential candidate.  If only the American people changed that stupid outdated “natural born citizen” constitutional requirement.  We had to then finance and make sure John McCain won the Republican presidential candidacy as he was not born in the United States.  As I’m sure you are aware, he was born in a military hospital to two United States citizens who conferred US citizenship but he was not “naturally” born in the United States.  We then had to with much fanfare have Congress pass a resolution that McCain qualified to be president as a “natural born citizen”.  We had to divert as much attention away from him as possible so even if the subject did come up, people would tend to dismiss it.  We had to control the congress and the courts to make sure it never got past a certain point legally.  Sure, we’ve had setbacks where some guy came back from Mombasa Kenya and tried to sell his birth certificate on ebay.  But we squashed that pretty quick.”

“Not quick enough,” said Dave.  “I’ve seen a scanned image of his hospital birth certificate from Mombasa this guy posted on the internet, complete with footprint.”

Stuart started chuckling.

Chuck said, “Care to share what’s so funny with the rest of us?’

“I was just picturing,” said Stuart, “all these Secret Service guys following him as he walked barefoot on a beach.  There he is in shorts and there they are in black suits with patent leather shoes.  Each one of them is taking turns using their shoes to rub out his footprints in the sand as he walks.”

The rest of them also laughed, except Chuck.

“Sorry,” said Chuck.  “Sometimes I get a little intense and I realize it.  I need to not be so serious all the time.  But you got to realize these people are intense.  They just needed to control the news, control the events, spread the money around, and make sure he didn’t say anything about his past.”

Stuart said, “How’d that work out with him and cocaine?”

Chuck gave Stuart a dirty look.

“Sorry,” said Stuart.

Chuck began again.  “We’re trying to determine the truth here.  Just because someone does something against the law, does not make them “the lawless one”.  Right now, all it does is make him easier to get rid of by his handlers after he’s served their purpose.  None of this illegal stuff will have any traction in the media or in the courts until it is in the best interest of those who control the media and the courts.”

Chuck paused to catch his breath.

“But that isn’t our focus.  For us all here, our interest is in how he fulfills scripture.  Is he the lawless one?  If so, then we are that much closer to meeting our Blessed Redeemer Jesus Christ in the air in the Rapture.  If not, we keep looking.  Now does anyone have anything to add about how he is fulfilling scripture?”

No one said a word.

“So let me get back to my original question.  It’s been so long I better reread the scripture.”

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Daniel 8:25

“Stuart,” said Chuck, “What do you think the word “craft” in this verse is referring to?”

Stuart looked up surprised at his name being mentioned.

“Well,” said Stuart, “We call ourselves “the craft” as a freemason.  But we haven’t especially increased since he was elected president.  Sure, we had a gala ball that he hosted, but that’s about it.  Guess I don’t know.”

“When I don’t know,” said Chuck, “I turn to the Bible and let it interpret itself.  I’ve looked up all instances of verses which contain words which start with “craft”.  Let me read the first verse.”

Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:15

“Do you know what he carries hidden in his pants pocket?” asked Chuck.

“Sure”, said Evelyn.  “I’ve seen pictures of them.  They include this metal Madonna and another one with the image of a Hindu monkey god.  They’re some of his good luck charms.”

Chuck said, “Another word instead of “good luck charm” is talisman.  He carries talismans in his pocket.  Let me read some more verses.”

Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.  But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Daniel 11:37-38

Chuck continued, “We know he had a father, and a stepfather.  So, he indeed had fathers, plural.  Do you know what God his fathers worshiped?”

Obadiah said, “Both of his fathers were Muslim so they would have worshipped allah.”

Chuck continued, “That is correct.  And that tells me when looking at this person, that he will not regard allah, the God of the Muslim.  Instead he will regard a god of forces.  You may have not realized that he specifically mentioned the Hindu in his inauguration address.  And you may have also not known that he had talked about the Hindu lord rama and is the first US president to celebrate the Hindu “festival of lights” in the White House.  If you research Hinduism you will find that it is different that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in that it does not worship a personal God.  In fact it does not believe in a personal God.  It believes in an impersonal god, a god of forces.

Everyone looked at each other with sober expressions on their faces.  They had learned a lot in a short time.

Chuck said, “I’d like to read just a little more from the Bible.”

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15

Chuck bent his head forward and closed his eyes.  In a soft voice he began to speak.  “May we rightly divide your word O Lord.”, he prayed.

© 10/31/2009 – Ted Porter

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Jovial (29 Oct 2009) “2 Thess 2:3 and AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT HOW GREEK SPEAKERS USE THE TERM “APOSTACIA” AND HOW THEY UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE”

The word apostacia is such a key element in understanding when the Rapture is going to take place that the discussion about the true meaning of that word continues. The article by Jovial is good and goes into the search for the common use of this word by the Greeks.  Enjoy the article. My opinion at this moment is with the interpretation of Jovial in the meaning of apostacia.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/jovial1029-2.htm

Jovial (29 Oct 2009)
“2 Thess 2:3 and AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT HOW GREEK SPEAKERS USE THE TERM “APOSTACIA” AND HOW THEY UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE“