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December 7, 2009

Bruce Turner (5 Dec 2009) “Isaiah 18 and the Future of America”

Filed under: Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, escatology — twelvebooks @ 4:40 am

The post by Bruse Turner refers to Isaiah 18 and identifies the four nations mentioned there.

Under the heading of the attack happens in the future he metions Isaiah 18:3

Isaiah 18:3
All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.

and further down he mentions Strong’s word 5375

The word used for lifted up is nasa (naw-saw’) (Strong’s word 5375) which is a primitive root; meaning to lift, in a great variety of applications

Well I have also heard this interpretation of this nation as being the USA and in the past I saw this part to mean that the ensign on the mountains was when we placed the ensign on the moon. The word nasa is the name of the space program that put the men there to place the ensign.

Also the article mentions Dr. Charles Taylor and the book World War Three and the Destiny of America which I read and have talked about in here in my past posts.

Dr. Taylor was an excellent prophesy teacher and at the time he was alive I did not miss any of his TV programs and read most of his books.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/brucet125-1.htm

Bruce Turner (5 Dec 2009)
Isaiah 18 and the Future of America


Isaiah 18 and the Future of America

About 12 years ago while studying the Bible looking in the Book of Isaiah, Chapter 18,
I realized that it was about America.  So I researched it extensively to make sure that my assumption was correct.  It was correct, you can research it for yourself if you like.  I was going to write a post about Isaiah 18 and put it here on the Doves.  So I went on line to see if I could find any additional information on Isaiah 18 before I started writing my post.  And I discovered this website which has an extensive information and excellent outline on Isaiah 18.  If you are like me and have a burning desire always learn as much as you can about God’s word, especially about prophecy. Then you owe it to yourself to go on the site and check it out.

So I decided to take the easy way out and provide the link to this website, rather than spend a lot of time writing a post that says pretty much the same thing.  I didn’t see the author’s name anywhere on the site, but he did an excellent job.  Read all the headings and their information on the  link.  And then go to the far left side in the dark blue, start there and click FIRST on “There are Four Countries not One” and continue down with the rest of the links. Enjoy, and God Bless Everyone.


http://www.isaiah18.com/index.html

YBIC
Bruce Turner

December 6, 2009

Dec 6, 2009 Is year 2009 equal to year 2012? Rapture this year?

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology — twelvebooks @ 5:51 pm

Dec 6, 2009 Is year 2009 equal to year 2012?
The article linked below shows how the year we are right now can truly be the year 2012 and goes to further discuss the possibility that the Rapture of the church will occur on the 11/12 of this month. His points are interesting and possible.

The article was posted by Taylor ( http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/dec.htm )with the title Rapture High Alert Week of December 11,2009. Good post Taylor

Nando

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dccrtmkg_44fbd95jg3

RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH

FALL 2009

WHAT IF IT IS REALLY 2012 RIGHT NOW? …Joseph Blackmon

Joseph Blackmon (19 Nov 2009)
“”WHAT IF IT IS REALLY “2012″; RIGHT NOW?”"

December 4, 2009

Dec 4, 2009 The Rapture what ? who ? when ?

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, escatology — twelvebooks @ 8:25 pm

In the past days the site www.fivedoves.com has seen several discussions about the people involved in the Rapture and the timing of this event. Today the following article was posted by Mr. Heckle. It is a good study about the Rapture, the whom, the when and all the things past, present  and future concerning the Rapture.

There are three articles, all are related, good Rapture-Resurrection studies.

Nando

Kevin Heckle (4 Dec 2009)
“To: Barry Admundsen RE: Your Biblical Proof of Two Raptures”


To: Barry Admundsen

RE: Your Biblical Proof of Two Raptures

Barry,

While debate on the timing of the Rapture has been waged for hundreds of years, this paradigm in which you espouse TWO raptures is particularly disturbing.  If you read my post of December 3, you would know how vehemently I believe that theory is tantamount to a doctrine of the devil.  Not that I’m calling you of the devil, as your position in Christ is between you and the Lord.  However, when we as Christians see something advertised openly as truth that is so much in contrast with the true Gospel, it is compulsory that we rebuke the lie.  I will not apologize or ‘go easy’ for defending the Gospel.  We should not be mediocre defenders, especially in these times.  I applaud Rick Hedrick for first calling out this misnomer of a split-rapture that runs counter to the Gospel as I also explained in my post yesterday.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/kevinh123.htm

In your response to Rick Hedrick you were ‘happy to oblige’ his challenge to produce a Scriptural basis. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/barrya123.htm

You cited I Corinthians 15, particularly verse 23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

The context of this passage is; Paul explaining the resurrection of the dead, as verse 12 reports that some didn’t believe in the resurrection.  In verses 13-17, Paul explains that if there were no resurrection, Christ could not have risen.  If Christ did not rise from the dead, then our faith is vain and we are still in our sins.  Verse 18 then concludes that those believers in Christ which have died (fallen asleep) are perished and would also be without hope.  In verse 19 Paul explains that if we have hope only in a Christ, NOT resurrected, we are men MOST miserable. Verse 20 proclaims though that CHRIST BECAME THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THOSE WHO HAD SLEPT.  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Verses 21-22 explain that everyone dies. Sin entered into the world by the first man (ADAM) and therefore death.  By a man (CHRIST), also came the first resurrection from the dead.

You underlined the next words in verse 23 as proof of two raptures: But every man in his own order: Why not 10 or 20 different raptures? as there are surely more than two tiers of Christians in that view.  The actual intent of these words have nothing to do with two raptures, rather first Christ (the FIRSTFRUITS) was resurrected, and afterward they that are HIS at HIS COMING shall be resurrected.  ‘They that are His’ include ALL those in the faith at the time of the harvest.  Verse 20 explains WHO is the FIRSTFRUITS, in the context of this passage, and it is JESUS alone.  He rose first as the FIRSTFRUITS.  We rise (in order) second.  To equate yourself in the context of this passage with the ‘firstfruits’ is to equate yourself with Christ. He was the first risen INCORRUPTIBLE and we who are SAVED will be either RESURRECTED incorruptible or CHANGED incorruptible according to whether or not our body is sleeping at that moment, in the ‘twinkling of an eye’.

Verse 24:  ‘Then cometh the end’

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

You cited these verses 39-42 of I Corinthians 15.

39.  All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40.  There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41.  There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42.  So also is the resurrection of the dead.

However, you omitted the last part of verse 42 AS IF the first part of the verse concluded a rank and file system of believers in the resurrection. The second half of the verse is the conclusion, which is further elaborated upon in the verses 43-50, which is this:

Vs. 43-45 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (second man Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.

There are two types of BODIES: the corruptible (natural, flesh and blood) and the incorruptible (a spiritual body).  Paul explains in verse 51, the mystery regarding those believers who are still living in their corruptible body at the time of the last trump which will be CHANGED into their incorruptible bodies during that which we call the RAPTURE (first those asleep shall rise incorruptible).

As for your Harvest analogy, Jesus uses one also in Matthew 13:36-43

Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The ONLY differentiation between peoples that Jesus makes is those that are the WHEAT (the children of the Kingdom) and the TARES (the children of the devil).

ALL HAVE SINNED.  ALL MEANS ALL.  ALL the born again (children of the kingdom) are made incorruptible ONLY BY CHRIST’S WORK.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

We who are the wheat (children of the kingdom) will be gathered into HIS barn while the tares are burned.

Those tares, which Jesus NEVER KNEW grown by the seeds sewn by the devil, suffer ALL the Tribulation judgments and destruction isolated (bundled) here on earth. The wheat, those who grew out of the good seed sewn by Jesus (Children of the KING and His KINGDOM) are gathered into His BARN!!!!!

How miserable and hopeless would us second rate Christians be IF there were a SPLIT rapture of the Saved.  There is no second rate salvation, thus no second rate rapture.  It is an idea counter to the Gospel, counter to the Word of God.  ALL CHILDREN OF THE KING HAVE A FIRST CLASS TICKET!

In Christ, (BY HIS GRACE)

Kevin Heckle

This other article is a letter to Kevin

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/rickh124.htm

Rick Hedrick (4 Dec 2008)
Simple Gospel, simple Rapture……..


First, John Tng is correct in saying that understanding the Rapture is not essential to ones spiritual welfare, whereas responding to the Gospel message is.  We certainly cannot get to Heaven without understanding and believing the Gospel message.  Although it is a very simple message, as is the Rapture message, it has been misunderstood by many.  The case of the thief on the cross next to Jesus shows just how simple and basic are God’s requirements for our salvation.  All the guy had to do was admit that he deserved his punishment, but Jesus didn’t.  After proclaiming this, he asked Jesus to remember him when He (Jesus) came into His Kingdom.  That was it!  That’s all it took for Jesus to say “Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise.”  How much simpler can it be??  And the well known verse of John 3:16 also states just how simple the Gospel message is.  Its beauty and glory are in the very simplicity of it!!  Yet there are those who insist on complicating it by not only adding a list of further requirements other than just believing, but who are determined to also add the contradictory notion that it is possible to lose one’s salvation.
The message of the Rapture, likewise, is a very simple message.  All who become saved following the resurrection of Jesus will be taken with Him to Heaven when He returns for His Bride prior to the commencement of the 70th week of God’s redemptive plan for Israel.  God’s plan for His Church is very simple, in contrast to His plan for Israel.  And the contrast is intentional.  The Old Testament Law is very complicated, and Israel’s redemption is very complicated.  But in contrast, God’s grace to the New Testament believer is very simple and their redemption is very simple.  Is it not logical that Satan would want the Christian to doubt that God’s grace to the believer could be so simple and unconditional.  Doesn’t it make sense that he would want the Christian to believe that salvation, and God’s plan for His Church, is complicated?  He knows that this would make some not even want to be a Christian, and others to feel the need to take over where God’s grace allegedly falls short.  He knows that it is to his benefit when believers are convinced that God’s grace and His promises to believers are not unconditional.  It misdirects the believers faith.  He would much rather the Christian have faith in their own abilities and attempts to please God rather than in God’s ability to keep His promises to them in spite of their short-comings.  Satan loves it when the believer doubts both the unconditionality of God’s grace, and their own worth in God’s eyes.  It goes against the grain of the whole Gospel concept to believe that:  1) salvation can be lost, and 2) that a believer may not make it as Christ comes to Rapture His Bride.
I appreciate the comments of those who are in agreement on this.  And I respect the rights of those who believe otherwise to do so.  Some very good observations were made in response to my previous post, and I rejoice in knowing that others are able to see the beauty in the simplicity and absoluteness of God’s grace to the believer.  My intention is not to convey that one’s salvation is dependant upon understanding the truth about the Rapture.  Rather, my intention is to convey that one’s understanding of the Rapture is based on one’s understanding of the Gospel message.  Its all part of the same Gift to those who believe.  The Gift begins with salvation, continues with the Rapture, and is eternally refreshed forever after.  And all one has to do is believe!!   We can either taint it all with self-imposed and deceptive complications, or we can humbly admit that we are in need of the fullness of God’s grace, that we can offer nothing of our own merit as a means of influencing God.  To the believer who does good works He promised rewards upon entering Heaven.  But to the believer per se, He promised eternal salvation, which includes the guarantee of going to Heaven when Christ comes for his Bride.
To Barry Amundsen, I appreciate your attempt to demonstrate where Paul allegedly speaks of two Raptures.  What you actually did was explain your interpretation of passages in which you have imposed the theory of two Raptures.  You are confusing Rapture with resurrection.  The points you are making have to do with resurrection, and it is true that there will be more than one resurrection.  But there is only one Rapture. The Rapture includes one of the resurrections, but it is more than just a resurrection.  The Rapture is when Christ comes for His Bride.  This includes both living and dead Christians.  The part of the Bride who is dead will be resurrected, and the part of the Bride who is living will be transformed.  There are resurrections of the dead prior to the Rapture, and there will be resurrections after the Rapture.  But as for living humans being transformed into glorified bodies without experiencing death first, this happens once and only once.  (Of course there are the cases of Elijah and Enoch, but I believe God has special plans for them.  I believe that they will be the 2 witnesses because the two witnesses die and are resurrected.  They didn’t actually skip death, their death was just postponed until the Tribulation period.  Moses, who some believe will be one of the witnesses, has already died once.  How can he die again in the Tribulation?) If you care to, please comment on what else I said in my post, in particular the last 2 paragraphs.

To Kevin Heckle, you are calling the raising of the saved dead a Rapture and the transformation of the living a Rapture.  This is only one Rapture, as I explained above.  It includes a resurrection of the dead believers and a transformation of the dead and the living believers.

Lewis Brackett (4 Dec 2009)
Maryilyn, David -2 Raptures-2 pillars ?? imho, NO


Maryilyn, David -2 Raptures-2 pillars ?? IMHO, NO …. By Lewis Brackett

Marilyn Said:

“”””I Thess 4:16,17 describes the First-Trump Rapture of the wise virgins, the Bride of Christ. These are caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1. They witness Christ being given the 7 sealed Title Deed of the Earth. Then they sing the NEW SONG in Rev. 5:9.

I Cor 15:51,52 describes the Last-Trump Rapture of the foolish virgins, the 144,000 Israelites and other Tribulation saints. Of these, only the 144,000 will be added to the Bride group.Its about Dispensationalism

I just rewrote this for brethren as my previous copy had disappeared in cyberspace Enjoy””””

Lewis Says:

Its about Dispensationalism

The will be 7 dispensations to complete GOD’s plan. 7 ways GOD dealt with and tested man. Man failed all 7 showing that man needs GOD’s grace and shows the universe that GOD is right, and Satan is wrong. GOD could have destroyed Satan at any time, but that would have only shown that GOD was the more powerful, not that GOD was right. The whole point to “project Earth” was to prove GOD right and to provide GOD a family who would choose to love him.

The first Dispensation was Innocence in the garden of Eden

The 2nd Conscience from the fall to the flood

The 3rd Human govt from the flood to Abraham

The 4th Promise from Abraham to Moses

The 5th Law from Moses to Pentecost

The 6th Grace; the church from Pentecost to the Rapture

Between the Rapture and the 2nd coming the world is back under the law for Daniels 70th week

The 7th Sight is from the 2nd coming until the new Heavens and new Earth

The Church the Bride is only believers from Pentecost to the rapture…….

The old testament believers are the guests at the wedding mentioned in Matthew ch 22. The 10 Virgins of Matthew 24 are old testament people

waiting at the door of the fathers house for the Groom, Jesus to return with His Bride the Church…… only the guests present when the groom returns were

allowed to enter the fathers house in the Hebrew marriage custom. Only those guests wearing a wedding garment were allowed to stay at the feast ………

You have 4 groups of people in eternity

The Old Testament believers

The Church which returns to the Earth in the New Jerusalem after the 1000 years

Rev 21:9-10

The Tribulation Saints who martyred and are promised to be resurrected and Return with Jesus And rule as His rod of Iron for 1000 years Rev 20:4-6

The Millennial Saints those believers that are still alive will repopulate the earth.

All others will be removed from the Earth to hell as in Matthew 24:40-41

The armies of heaven are always the angelic host. These come with Jesus at his 2nd coming

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The 70th week of Daniel is the final week or period of the law just as the first 69 weeks were……. once the church

leaves, salvation by grace through faith is over…… the Holy Spirit having been taken away when the church leaves never again indwells people as HE does today.

HE “comes upon” certain people for a period of time as HE did in the old testiment but then leaves them…….. Its about Dispensationalism

Edit/Delete Message

The church age is the great paranthesis in the period of the law………..

dispensation of promise ////// dispensation of Law (((( church age )))) dispensation of law…..2nd coming……///// dispensation of sight………

people don’t need faith to believe in Jesus in the dispensation of sight because HE is visibly reigning on the throne during the 1000 years reign……

People got “”saved”" by being righteous looking tword Jesus during the law….. it is said by some expositers that one has to be killed for your faith to be “saved” in the tribulation / Daniels 70th week…..i dont know about that…… but the surviving Righteous get to enter the 1000 year kingdom

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Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

Even though the nations see Jesus they wont want HIM anymore than they wanted HIM the first time.

Rev 14….. The Angels are proclaiming the gospel (the good news) that Jesus is the Messiah and of the coming Kingdom of GOD….. while on earth Jesus preached HIS coming kingdom…..

Jesus would have set up HIS kingdom right then if they had accepted HIM.

All this is not just Lewis’s idea…… its what is taught in the conservative preachers schools…

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Since they are back under the law (with the Holy Spirit taken out of the way) salvation would have to be the Abrahamic standard….. Abraham believed GOD and HIS belief was counted as righteousness

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what with holdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Under the Law The righteous who feared GOD were saved and entered heaven (Abraham’s Bosom) Even in the perfect environment of the 1000 year reign with Jesus righteous rule, only a few will choose HIM……. the rest will follow Satan’s final rebellion……..

once again this is NOT just my idea…..

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November 28, 2009

Vonda Wood (27 Nov 2009) “Wrath, tribulation and the church”

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology — twelvebooks @ 12:01 am

Vonda Wood is a long but must read article about the Rapture, the Wrath of God and an answer to Ron Reese about the half our of silence in Revelation not being the half hour Obama broadcast on October 29, 2008.

Very good Vonda.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/vondaw1127-2.htm

Vonda Wood (27 Nov 2009)
Wrath, tribulation and the church

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November 25, 2009

F.M. Riley (25 Nov 2009) “Come before winter…..” Rapture

Filed under: Bible, Rapture, escatology — twelvebooks @ 8:56 pm

Good work Pastor Riley. Your study about the possible time of the Rapture is scriptural and inspiring Please follow the link to the article

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/fmriley1125.htm

F.M. Riley (25 Nov 2009)
Come before winter…..

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November 24, 2009

November 24, 2009 Lotto & Billionaires Proof Obama 666 antichrist

November 24, 2009 Lotto & Billionaires Proof Obama 666 antichrist

John Tng has written an article in fivedoves.com that again offers more proof that Obama is the 666 Antichrist.

Good job John may Jesus bless you greatly for your dedication to His name and Word. You have truly uncovered a multitude of encoded things pertaining to this lawless man.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2009/2009_signs.html

John Tng (24 Nov 2009)
“Supernatural SIGNS”


Dear Doves,

 

The hour is late. The stage is set for the grand entrance of the antichrist to begin the countdown to Armageddon. We are on the brink of the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus 2000 years ago. The timing of the Apocalypse hinges on the revealing of the lawless one. Is he already in power? Has he begun pulling the levers of world politics to bring in global governance? Are there supernatural signs we can discern that point to him as the beast?

In accordance with Amos 3:7, God has not been silent. The unsealing of the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation is gathering pace even as the world hurtles towards the end of days at breakneck speed. God has spoken to many watchers in a multiplicity of ways — dreams & visions, insights & understanding of prophetic scriptures, and numbers & gematria. In this article, I want to share with you a few numbers that will totally blow you away. They originate from the most surprising of sources. The supernatural signs wrought by these numbers are only possible because God is able to order events and exercise sovereign control over the affairs of man. He is still the Boss.

SIGN #1: Lot 666

On the day Obama won the election and became the most powerful man in the world, the Illinois pick 3 lottery drawn was 666. (Obama was a senator of Illinois before election.) Many believe this is a SIGN. The sceptics, however, are none too impressed by this 666 lottery and poo poo the believers who seem to them to make much ado about nothing.

I dug a little deeper and came away convinced that this is indeed a sign from God. I did a search on past winning numbers and was shocked at what I found in the table below (see link).

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9
8
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1
9
8
1
1
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8
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1
9
8
3
1
9
8
4
1
9
8
5
1
9
8
6
1
9
8
7
1
9
8
8
1
9
8
9
1
9
9
0
1
9
9
1
1
9
9
2
1
9
9
3
1
9
9
4
1
9
9
5
1
9
9
6
1
9
9
7
1
9
9
8
1
9
9
9
2
0
0
0
2
0
0
1
2
0
0
2
2
0
0
3
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0
0
4
2
0
0
5
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0
6
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0
0
7
2
0
0
8
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0
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9
666 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 4 0

The figures went as far back as 1980, presumably the year the pick 3 lottery or its records started. There were four 666 pick 3 winnings in 2008 — the year Obama got elected as the president of the United States! The last 666 winning number came out in the evening draw Nov 5, 2008, several hours after Obama won the election in the early hours on the same day. The frequency of the 666 pick in 2008 is unusually high compared to all other years, including 2009, which registers zero count so far.

Forget about math, statistics and probability. Just think with common sense. Why was there such an unusually high concentration of 666 winnings in Obama’s home state in 2008, the year he won the election? Out of the 366 days in 2008, of all days, why on the same day when Obama became president-elect, the 666 number was picked?

Why?

As I dug deeper, I became more and more astounded by the 666 lottery. If I didn’t know better, I would have attributed the enigma either to super-powerful global controllers or super-intelligent extraterrestrials, pulling strings from behind the scenes. But instead, I believe God has a hand in it. Consider this: The time of the evening draw is 9:22 p.m. (link), exactly 562 minutes after twelve noon. When 562 is added to the English gematria of OBAMA (60+2+1+40+1=104), the sum is 562 + 104 = 666 !!!

More coincidence of course!

Midday draws are at 12:40 p.m., or 40 minutes after twelve noon. Of the four 666 picks in 2008, THREE were drawn in the evening and ONE at midday; thus, the total duration in minutes after twelve noon is 562 + 562 + 562 + 40 = 1726.

I fell out of my chair when I saw the number!

1726 is the English gematria value of US PRESIDENT (933) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (793) !!!!!! Four 666 picks were drawn at the PRECISE time to point to just one man, with the last 666 pick culminating on the day he won the election. Think about that.

Is this even possible?

But with God all things are possible. If we further consider the four mornings we excluded when we computed 1726, the total duration of the four mornings is 4 × 720 = 2880 minutes. This unbelievable total is the English gematria sum of US PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (1154) and US PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (1726) !!!!!!

If God can open the mouth of Balaam’s donkey to convey His words, what makes you think He cannot use the lottery to send a message?

SIGN #2: Ye Rich Men, Weep and Howl

Shortly after Obama assumed office on Jan 20, 2009, an intriguing list of the world’s richest people published by FORBES (link) caught my eye:

The richest people in the world have gotten poorer, just like the rest of us. This year the world’s billionaires have an average net worth of $3 billion, down 23% in 12 months. The world now has 793 billionaires, down from 1,125 a year ago.
At the time of publication in March this year, the total number of billionaires in 2009 stood at 793. Observe that it is neither 792 or 794; it is 793 – the exact English gematria of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA !!!

The ‘coincidence’ is uncanny to say the least. But does it qualify to be a supernatural sign? Is it a valid sign or is it just an insignificant happenstance? When I took a relook at the FORBES figures, a sudden realization dawned on me ………..   In 2009, there are 793 billionaires, a significant drop from the 2008 figure, which is 1125, thanks to the financial crisis.

When I saw the number 1125, I fell out of my chair a second time!

The number 1125 did not mean a thing to me two months ago. I became acquainted with it only recently when I made my major discovery in the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid (link). The secret hidden in the G-Pyramid contains startling information on the election of Barack Hussein Obama (793), the 44th president of the United States in 2008. This ancient secret had been buried in the stones for six thousand years and only saw the light of day after its recent fulfillment. The errie precision of the code makes your hair stand on end. The man, the date, the year, down to the 56th term of office he is currently serving, are dead on.

Apparently six thousand years ago God already knew about the FORBES’ lists of world’s richest people for 2008 and 2009. But this is no big deal for the Omniscient. It is interesting that the billionaire figures are encoded in the OBAMA cluster in such a way as to suggest that he is the money lord of the world. Concerning the antichrist’s theft of the wealth of nations, Isaiah says, “And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.” (Isa 10:14)

The fact that knocks me over and blows me away is this: The black stone 793 (BHO) in the above pyramid illustration is in fact the blue stone 1125 !!!

BLUE STONE 1125 = BLACK STONE 793 !!!!!!
(Read this article for the stone color explanation.)

The FORBES billionaire figures for 2008 and 2009 are both captured in one fell swoop on one stone — the OBAMA stone! To top it all, the black vertical line (illustration above)  representing the 56th column (56th term of presidential office) passes through the blue stones 2008 and 2009 !!!

Can it be any clearer? Can we find a more fortuitous set of circumstances, events or people that can generate such a precise fit?

Hab 1:5 (NKJV)
Look among the nations and watch –
Be utterly astounded!
For I will work a work in your days
Which you would not believe, though it were told you.
Just like SIGN #1, the confirmation provided by SIGN #2 linking the OBAMA code in the Genesis Pyramid and the 1125 billionaires in 2008 & 793 billionaires in 2009, is unquestionably supernatural. Only the all-knowing God is able to foresee the future few thousand years ahead of time and conceal the information in advance for us to search out.

But what do the numbers point to other than the fact that Obama is somehow connected to the world’s richest people?

The simple equation below should dispel all doubts as to the intent of the code.

2008 = 883 + 1125
As reported by FORBES, there were 1125 billionaires in 2008. The difference between the year and the head count is 2008 – 1125 = 883. Is it serendipity, or pure randomness, or synchronicity, or whatever godless New Age mumbo-jumbo currently in vogue, or maybe just plain weirdness, that 883 just happens to be the English gematria of THE ANTICHRIST?

Go figure.


I started writing this article with the purpose of reporting another major discovery I made in the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid (first two articles at link1 & link2). Given the length of this article, it looks like I will have to wait and devote a whole article just for SIGN #3. To whet your appetite, I have basically found the irrefutable proof in the G-Pyramid that shows that 2009 is the Year of the Rising of the Beast.

 

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT IT !

The lawless one is about to be revealed, doves. Just hang on a while longer and our excruciating wait will be over. But, meanwhile, fight the good fight of  faith, lay hold on eternal life, continue to occupy and put up with the flood of evil sweeping across the globe everywhere. It cannot be much longer. God’s patience is fast running out. He will not and cannot strive with reprobate men continually. Of this you can be sure: These men have exceeded the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah many times over.

IT’S ABOUT TIME, LORD!

John

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A good and proper way to dissagree with a fellow believer by Lisa Taylor

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Jesus, Rapture, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 2:55 am

This article by Lisa Taylor was posted on fivedoves.com it is a very good critique of the articles that Ron Reese has written and published in five doves.

I can agree with most of her observations and conclusions.

Good article and a very proper way to show the weaknesses of an argument or train of thought from a very good fellow believer.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/lisat1123.htm

Lisa Taylor (23 Nov 2009)
“To Ron Reese — I must disagree”


Dear Ron,

 

I must disagree with your interpretation of the timing of the Rapture based upon the Joseph narrative.  I too enjoy Biblical typology and have looked into the possible types connected to Joseph.

Please check out my post on this from June 24, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/lisat624.htm

Please note that Joseph already had a Gentile bride in the narrative.  Therefore, it is unlikely that his brothers also represent the Church.  If you read my post, you will see that I believe that the brothers are types for the 144,000 Jews, since they are the patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel.  Their father Jacob is a type of Israel – which makes sense because God changed his name to Israel.

Logistically, the 144,000 Jews must come to the Lord prior to the nation Israel – to whom they will be witnessing.  Thus, the 2 and 5 year division of the 7 famine years could represent the point in the Tribulation when the they are sealed.

For reasons I will not get into here, I believe that there is a 10 year timeframe from the time of the Rapture to the Second Coming.  Consequently, I do not think we have to squeeze everything prior to a 2015 deadline.

Look, even if 2015 is a Jubilee year, you must remember that the fulfillment of the Year of Jubilee must be, by definition, one year long.  Therefore, the Second Coming cannot be the fulfillment of Jubilee.  At most, it could be an event that wraps up the Year.

I personally put Jubilee earlier in the Tribulation.  The Bible clearly states that Jesus begins to reign at the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.  See Revelation 11:15-17.  This is at the mid-point of the Tribulation and prior to the Second Coming.  We are also given this statement in Revelation 10:7:  “But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

Jesus beginning His reign?  The mystery of God being accomplished?  This sure sounds like a good candidate for the start of the Year of Jubilee to me.

Please check out my post on this subject from July 27, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/lisat727.htm

Ron, I do not doubt your sincerity and personal sacrifice.  I fear, however, that you have gotten yourself so married to a 2015 Second Coming that you are jamming a square peg into a round hole.  You have officially started the Tribulation and talked yourself out of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture just to keep your position alive.  The events of the book of Revelation are not even remotely chronological to you.  And now you seem to be playing fast and loose with Biblical types.

If you need to do all of these things to make your position work, then maybe you need to reassess your position.  None of us are 100 percent correct.  And you are among friends here.  It is okay to admit that some things may need to be tweaked.

I do not intend to be harsh or to offend you.  But I believe you know that you have an impact on the opinions of many people – not just on this forum.  That is a grave responsibility.  Sure, a stopped watch could be a sign from God.  But I find that a position’s consistency with the Biblical text to be the ultimate proof that the position is of God.

God bless you.

– Lisa Taylor

November 23, 2009

November 23, 2009 Comments to Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 10:51 pm

November 23, 2009 Comments to Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)

Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)
“GENESIS 45–JOSEPH’S FAMINE WEEK–THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE!!

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1123.htm

Ron has written a very good letter concerning Genesis Chapter 45.  The following points are things that I agree with Ron.

1)             Barack Hussein Obama is the Antichrist.

2)             The church will be present in the world to know the identity of the Antichrist. This is already a partial fait accompli thanks to John and all the other doves that have presented this evidence and to the Holy Spirit who works in all believers to recognize the Antichrist without the need to prove it as it has been done in fivedoves.

3)             The church is going to be removed before the sudden destruction.

4)             We both agree in the significance of the solar and lunar eclipses dates found by Pastor Mark Biltz as interviewed by J.R. Church, and the link obtained in BG Ellis site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJYI6yoefg

I do not have any disagreement with his letter although at this point I am not 100 % sure that the October 29, 2008 Obama covenant is the seven year covenant referred to in Daniel.

The comparison to the seven years of famine can be correct in my opinion even if the start of the tribulation is not on date of October 29, 2008.

One thing I want to point out about a type in the Old Testament that I think has a direct link to our time is Genesis 19

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. And they said, “This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

The Lord referred to this in Luke Chapter 17

26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot’s wife! 33Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”[d]

Please notice that the two angels could be a type of the two witnesses who were sent with the purpose of warning Lot and his family of the impending judgment. They were sent to destroy the cities and to warn the just.

So my question keeps insisting in my head, where are the two witnesses? The answers that some doves have given are appreciated, but I do not believe that they are correct.

It is a very good article Ron, and I am not a scholar just a student with an inquisitive mind  and a heart full of love for the Word.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

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November 21, 2009

Comments on Ron Reese (21 Nov 2009) “ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, THE RAPTURE SHOULD BE IN THE FALL OF 2010!!!”

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology — twelvebooks @ 6:26 pm

The following article by Ron Reese is a good study of the possible time of the Rapture.  When relying on a type in the Old Testament to draw a conclusion I can only say that it is a possible assumption to interpret the live of Joseph in the seven years of famine with the live of the Church in the years of Tribulation.  It could also be seen as what is going to occur to the 12 tribes of Israel in this seven years, or the protection of the 144,000 sealed Israelis (1000 times multiple of the 12 brothers and the father) in the seven years.  The main argument Ron makes is the date the Tribulation started.  I have already stated my opinion on this subject before.  It is a very good subject for deliberation and study by all the readers and Doves visiting these sites.

May Jesus bless you

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1121.htm

Ron Reese (21 Nov 2009)
ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, THE RAPTURE SHOULD BE IN THE FALL OF 2010!!!

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November 19, 2009

Nov 19, 2009 The Tribulation and Obama the 666 a discussion

Filed under: Bible, Biblical Prophecy, Rapture, antichrist, escatology, political commentary — twelvebooks @ 7:12 pm

The following article has a lot of good info in it and it is the reason that I am placing a link to it. I have questions about Mr. Reese’s assertion that the seven years started on October 28, 2009.

My doubt is related to the content of the prophesy in the book of Daniel which reads :

The Seventy “Sevens”

20 While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill- 21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision:

24 “Seventy ’sevens’ [c] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish [d] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. [e]

25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ’sevens,’ and sixty-two ’sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ’sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [h] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ’seven.’ [i] In the middle of the ’seven’ [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k][l]

The seven used twice has to be consistent both times or the intent of the paragraph is altered. The AC entering on the Temple is implied as breaking of the covenant which seems to imply that it was to worship the Lord of Israel.  The seven is also implied to be years as the verses before indicate and this seven is the last week of years that God uses with Israel (seventy weeks).

Another fact that bothers me is the two witnesses that on the Chapter 11 of Revelation are given 1260 days to prophecy. They are killed after the second woe which is the sixth trumpet Judgment.  After the second woe the seventh trumpet is blown and we see the woman clothed with the sun.  She fled into the desert for 1260 days.

These two mentions of 1260 days seem to indicate the two halves of the seven years and they appear to follow one to the other.

If this is true the two witnesses must start their ministry on the first day of the seven. Where are you witnesses?

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1119.htm

Ron Reese (19 Nov 2009)
Great Trib starts Apr. 11, 2012–CONFIRMS 10/29/08, CONFIRMED IN THE HEAVENS!!!!

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