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Jan 28, 2012 The Temple ready to be built

twelvebooks — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 04:06:51 +0000

Nando

Jan 28, 2012 – IRAN WARNS- WE WILL BLOCK ALL OIL TO EUROPE NOW BEFORE EU BLOCKADES IRAN!!!!!!”

twelvebooks — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 04:00:59 +0000

good work Jay

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/jay128.htm

Jay (28 Jan 2012)
“PLEASE READ THIS EVERYONE – IRAN WARNS- WE WILL BLOCK ALL OIL TO EUROPE NOW BEFORE EU BLOCKADES IRAN!!!!!!“

JANUARY 25TH END TIMES-CURRENT EVENT NEWS –

http://debka.com/article/21679/

Jerusalem Very Concerned - Obama To Sell Saudia Arabia 84 F-15 Fighter Bombers

Europe To Sell Saudia Arabia 74 Typhoon Eurofighter Bombers

Saudia Arabias Airforce May Soon Outnumber Israel’s Advanced Fleet of War Planes -

Washington and military sources that Israel made its concern known with the utmost discretion so as not to be seen as hampering the expansion of the Saudi Royal Air Force as Riyadh gets set to tackle Tehran should Saudi oil exports be sabotaged by Iranian attacks on its oil production or the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, its primary export outlet.

Israel is conscious that the Gulf region is on tenterhooks over its security and the Saudis are deep in military preparations to beat back potentially aggressive Iranian moves in the wake of the oil embargo approved by the US and the European Union against Tehran’s nuclear program.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/former-idf-chief-israel-must-prepare-for-possible-attack-on-iran-1.409349

Former Israeli Military Cheif Warns -

Israel Must Prepare To Strike Irans Nuclear Facilities and Be Alone When It Happens –

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-u-s-preparing-for-an-israeli-strike-on-iran-1.407273

U.S. Very Concerned Over Imminent Iran Strike By Israel

“Our concern is heightened,” a senior U.S. military official told the Wall Street Journal.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=254338

EUROPEAN UNION TO AGREE ON SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN’S CENTRAL BANK AND OIL EMBARGO NEXT WEEK….!!!

THIS IS IT EVERYONE – OIL EMBARGO MEANS ALL OUT WW3!!!

IRAN HAS VOWED ALL OUT WAR AFTER CENTRAL BANK SANCTIONS AND OIL EMBARGO IS IMPOSED

“We have always said we are ready for dialogue,” Juppe said. “(EU foreign policy chief Catherine) Ashton has made concrete offers, but sadly until today Iran has not committed transparently or cooperatively to this discussion process.”
He added: “It’s for this reason that to avoid an irreparable military option we have to strengthen sanctions.”

JANUARY 26TH END TIMES -CURRENT EVENT NEWS

http://debka.com/article/21687/

ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!

COUNTRY OF DUBAI WARNS – Feb-July 2012 Iran WW3 Very Possible

DUBAI IS WARNING NOW THAT THE US AND EUROPE ARE BEGINNING TO ENFORCE AN OIL EMBARGO ON IRAN THAT THE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD UNITS ARE GOING TO SLOWLY START NARROWING THE PASSAGE WAY IN THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ FROM FEBRUARY TILL JULY WHEN THE OIL EMBARGO FULLY BEGINS TO KICK IN -INSTEAD OF BLOCKING IT TOTALLY ALL AT ONCE IRAN IS GOING TO SLOWLY NARROW THE PASSAGE WAYMRESTRICTING OIL FLOW AROUND THE WORLD

Tehran will not go all the way and shut the channel down completely for fear of provoking a military showdown with the United States. But each time Washington manages to stop Iran supplying a given country, the IRGC will shut down another section of the strait.

Saudi Arabia and Dubai are skeptical about the ability of the American navy and Gulf forces to keep the Strait of Hormuz open at all times in the face of continuous Iranian attacks.
The prevailing view in Gulf capitals is that for the six months from February through July 1, when the European embargo on Iranian oil and the Iranian national bank freeze kick in, a war of attrition will unfold as Iran carries out sporadic strait closures, either by mining the waterway or firing missiles at tankers from unmarked speedboats.

The Dubai general’s remarks Thursday about an imminent conflict referred not only to the flow of American reinforcements to the Gulf region but also to the new deployments of the armies of Gulf Cooperation Council states. They are moving into position in expectation of a military confrontation with Iran.

http://www.infowars.com/irans-preemptive-energy-strike-against-the-eu/

BOMBSHELL NEWS ALERT!!!!!!

IRAN’S PREEMPTIVE ENERGY STRIKE AGAINST EUROPE!!!!!

IRAN WARNS –

WE ARE GOING TO PRE EMPT THE EUROPEAN OIL EMBARGO TAKING FULL EFFECT JULY 1ST AND SHUT OFF ALL OIL TO EUROPE ANY TIME NOW BEFROE EUROPE IS ABLE TO ACT AGAINST US…!!!!

The Russia Today reported on Thursday that Iran’s move will be a good response to EU sanctions which have been already slammed by Iran’s close allies like China.The report quoted Nasser Soudani, a member of Iran Majlis (parliament) Energy Committee, as saying that in reaction to EU measure, Iranian lawmakers are drafting a new law, which would stop oil supply to European countries as soon as possible.

“A number of representatives of the Majlis and I are seeking to approve a bill according to which all European countries that made Iran the target of their sanctions will not be able to buy even one drop of oil from Iran, and oil taps will be turned off to them so that they will not play with fire again,” the lawmaker added.

The report stated that the legislation may be ratified in Iran’s Majlis as early as this Sunday, adding that such a ban would result in a fuel shortage in Europe as the countries which joined the sanctions, while receiving a considerable amount of crude from Iran, would not have enough time to secure a substitute.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=255451 VERY IMPORTANT NEWS DEVELOPMENT REGARDING IRAN!!!

U.S SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE TO PASS SANCTIONS FEB 2ND AGAINST IRANS OIL SECTOR -

SANCTIONS WILL TARGET

1. IRANS OIL TANKER OPERATOR –

2. IRANS NATIONAL TANKER COMPANY (NITC) -

3. THE NATIONAL IRANIAN OIL COMPANY (NIOC)

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=255423 SYRIAS PRESIDENT KILLS 37 MORE PROTESTORS IN ONE DAY –

UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL MEETS TO DISCUSS CONSEQUENCES -

ISAIAH 17 WAR – INVASION OF SYRIA IMMINENT

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152177 FORMER ISRAELI MILITARY HEAD COMMANDER – ISRAEL NEEDS TO PREPARE FOR WAR -

While Ashkenazi said sanctions were having an effect on Iran, he warned that time was running out since the Iranian nuclear program was moving forward at a rapid pace.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4181664,00.html ALERT ALERT ALERT!!

BIBLICAL 7 YEAR TRIBULATION IMMINENT!!!!!

ISRAEL’S DEFENSE MINISTER WARNS -

IRAN REACHING NUKE GOAL LINE IN 2012 -

“WORLD MUST QUICKLY ACT NOW TO STOP IRAN “

“It seems to us to be urgent, because the Iranians are deliberately drifting into what we call an immunity zone where practically no surgical operation could block them,” he said. Amid fears that Israel is nearing a decision to attack Iran’s nuclear program, Barak said tougher international sanctions are needed against Tehran’s oil and banks so that “we all will know early enough whether the Iranians are ready to give up their nuclear weapons program.”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/more-than-100-people-killed-by-security-forces-across-syria-1.409568

PRESIDENT ASSAD IN SYRIA KILLS 100 PEOPLE FRIDAY JAN 26TH!!!!

UN SECURITY COUNCIL MEETS TO DISCUSS ACTION!!!!

OVER 6000 PROTESTORS KILLED SINCE MARCH 2011

WE ARE GETTING REALLY CLOSE EVERYONE – GET READY

nando

Jay (24 Jan 2012) “MAJOR ALERT!! EUROPE SIGNS IRAN OIL EMBARGO – PLEASE READ EVERYONE – TIME IS ALMOST UP”

twelvebooks — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:25:35 +0000

The other big news in today’s Miami Herald is about a subject related to the planned crowning of Obama as the ruler of the world. If he can not be re-elected then provoke a WWIII while he is still in power and before the Nation is alerted to the big farce that was perpetrated against the people of the USA.

There will not be any other election in the USA because the man in power at this time is unelectable, therefore plan 2 by the world globalist will be implemented.

The plan to destroy Israel using the Arab nations have been obvious to all Bible prophecy followers from many years ago and it is now taking shape just as the Bible foresaw.

Let us be prepared and watchful as the Lord Jesus has instructed us to do.

Thanks to Jay for compliling these very important news.

Nando

Jay (24 Jan 2012)
“MAJOR ALERT!! EUROPE SIGNS IRAN OIL EMBARGO – PLEASE READ EVERYONE – TIME IS ALMOST UP“

NOTE:

WE HAVE NOW CROSSED THE POINT OF NO RETURN…WHEN U BEGIN TO SHUT OFF A COUNTRIES OIL SUPPLY ITS ALL OVER. THE NEW WORLD ORDER HAS MADE ONE OF ITS FINAL MOVES BEFORE THEY LAUNCH WW3 – ON JAN 23RD THE WORLD SIGNED THE LONG AWAITED OIL EMBARGO OF IRAN AND SANCTION AGAINST IRANS CENTRAL BANK ASSETS - WATCH FOR IRAN TO FOLLOW ON ITS THREATS TO DESTROY THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ AND STOP OIL MOVEMENT AROUND THE WORLD THEN AMERICA AND ISRAEL WILL ATTACK AND WW3 WILL BEGIN – ISRAELS PRIME MNISTER HAS DEMANDED IMMIDEATE CRIPPLING SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN FEARING THAT BY SPRING OF 2012 IRAN CAN HAVE A NUKE BOMB MADE – WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME… WHATEVER THAT MEANS FOR YOU,

MAKE THE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS SPIRITUALLY, MENTALLY AND PRACTICALLY….PREPARE AS YOU FEEL LED BY GOD..TRUST IN HIM..BECAUSE THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET ABSOLUTELY HORRORIFIC – IF THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATON BEGINNING, THEN THE BRIDE OF CHRIST MAY NOT ESCAPE WHAT IS COMING TO AMERICA COMPLETELY - SO JUST IN CASE, I AM SENDING YOU ALL THIS EMAIL SO U ARE NOT SURPRISED WHEN WORLD EVENTS BEGIN TO IMPACT YOUR LIFE LIKE YOU COULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED –

JESUS SAID TO “WATCH” “BE ON GAURD” HE ISSUED THAT WARNING OVER AND OVER AGAIN CONCERNING THE END TIMES. I AM WATCHING FOR YOU – I HOPE THESE EMAILS I SEND TO YOU KEEP YOU ALL INFORMED SO YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF THE TIMES WE LIVE IN AND ARE AWARE OF THE URGENCY OF THE HOUR WE ARE FACING…MAY JESUS STRENGTHEN YOU IN THE TIMES WE ARE FACING IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND GIVE U PEACE

http://www.infowars.com/iran-vows-to-shut-down-strait-of-hormuz-as-eu-passes-oil-embargo/

RUSSIA TODAY NEWS VIDEO –

UNPRESCEDENTED WORLD OIL EMBARGO SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN PASSED JAN 23RD MEANS ALL OUT WW3 !!!!

IRAN VOWS TO NOW DESTROY STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ OVER IMPOSED OIL EMBARGO AND SHUT OFF WORLD OIL SUPPLY!!

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=254796

EUROPE AND U.S – “IRAN OIL SHUT OFF SUMMER OF 2012″!!!!

NETANYAHU TELLS WORLD STRONG ACTION ON IRAN IS NEEDED NOW – NO TIME LEFT

JAN 23RD – EUROPEAN UNION FINALIZES OIL EMBARGO OF IRAN –

E.U. COUNTRIES CAN HONOR CONTRACTS TILL JULY 1ST!!!!

NO NEW CONTRACTS ALLOWED!!!

EUROPEAN UNION FREEZES IRANIAN CENTRAL BANK ASSETS!!!

Diplomats said the measures, which were adopted in Brussels by the EU’s 27 foreign ministers, include an immediate embargo on new contracts for crude oil and petroleum products, while existing contracts will be allowed to run until July.

http://rt.com/news/iran-close-strait-hormuz-embargo-455/ ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!!!

IRAN – WARNS – ISSUES SERIOUS THREAT –

WORLD OIL SUPPLY SOON TO BE TOTALLY SHUT OFF

“WE WILL DEFINATELY CLOSE THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMUZ IF OIL EMBARGO SIGNED BY EU. DISRUPTS OUR EXPORTING OF CRUDE OIL”

ANNOUNCMENT BY IRAN COMES THE SAME DAY THE EU FINALIZED EMBARGO OF IRANIAN OIL!!!

ALL OUT GLOBAL WAR NOW SERIOUSLY IMMINENT -2012

http://rt.com/news/aircraft-carrier-hormuz-iran-391/

OBAMA SENDS ANOTHER AIRCRAFT CARRIER TO GULF SENDING MESSAGE TO IRAN – WW3 IMMINENT

The USS Enterprise, along with the other six ships in the carrier strike group, will deploy to the Middle East in March. It means the US will maintain two carrier strike groups in the Persian Gulf region

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=254737

IRAN – WE SHOULD PRE – EMPT E.U. OIL EMBARGO OF OUR COUNTRY AND IMMIDEATELY STOP SELLING EUROPE OIL!!!!

EU sanctions follow fresh financial measures signed into law by U.S. President Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve and mainly targeting the oil sector, which accounts for some 90 percent of Iranian exports to the EU. The European Union is Iran’s second-largest oil customer, after China.

http://rt.com/news/prime-time/caucasus-military-exercises-nato-923/

ALERT!!! ALERT!!! WW3 IMMINENT

RUSSIA TO CONDUCT MASSIVE MILITARY DRILL –

IN PREPARATION FOR WAR BETWEEN U.S AND ISRAEL AGAINST IRAN IN 2012!!!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/US-miffed-as-Israel-hints-at-unilateral-strike-on-Iran-N-sites/articleshow/11596982.cms

ISRAEL HINTS AT UNILATERAL STRIKE ON IRANS NUCLEAR FACILITIES –

ISRAEL TELLS U.S TOP COMMANDER – NO MORE THAN 12 HOURS NOTICE WILL BE GIVEN TO THE U.S BEFORE WE STRIKE

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=254737

Egypt Parliament Opens For First Time Since Overthrow Of President Mubarak –

TERROR ORGANIZATION INSTITUTED and BACKED BY OBAMA WHICH CALLS FOR ISRAELS TOTAL DESTRUCTION ACQUIRES MOST SEATS IN EGYPTS NEW FORMED TERROR GOVERNMENT -

Nando

Jan 24, 2012 Obama challenged in Georgia court over his citizenship

twelvebooks — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:56:10 +0000

The Miami Herald published a news today about a legal challenge in a court in Georgia about his citizenship. It is clear to me that the drive to prove the authenticity of his papers after his election were torpedoed by powerful forces that want this man to rule the world. The tactic that should be followed at this point in time is to challenge his credentials in state court prior to placing his name in the ballot for that State.

This seems to be the intentions of Orly Taitz in her present suit.

Nando

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/01/23/136655/georgia-judge-orders-president.html#storylink=misearch

Georgia judge orders President Obama to appear in court over ‘birthers’ suit

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By Chuck Williams | The Columbus (Ga.) Ledger-Enquirer

A Georgia judge has ordered President Barack Obama to appear in court in Atlanta Thursday for a hearing on a complaint that says Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen and can’t be president.

Orly Taitz, the California attorney who brought the legal challenge to Obama’s name on the March Georgia presidential primary ballot, says this is what she has been working for over the last three years.

“This will be 100 times bigger than Watergate,” she said Saturday morning, referring to the scandal that brought down President Richard Nixon in 1974.

“There are high ranking judges and federal officials who are involved in this cover up. The ramifications of this trial will be enormous.”

Taitz said she expects the president’s legal team to fight his appearance in the Georgia court.

“But he’s in a catch-22,” she said. “If he is appealing this decision, then he looks guilty. The whole nation understands this man is a fraud.”

Taitz has led the “Birther” movement that insists Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. She is also familiar to Georgia courts.

Taitz represented two soldiers in U.S. District Court in Columbus who sought to avoid deployment by arguing Obama wasn’t the commander-in-chief because he wasn’t eligible to be president.

Federal Judge Clay Land warned Taitz against filing a frivolous suit, then fined her $20,000 after he denied the second claim.

This is one of many such lawsuits that have been filed across the country, so far without success.

A Georgia resident made the complaint, which is intended to keep Obama’s name off the state’s ballot in the March presidential primary.

An Obama campaign aide fail and such complaints around the country have no merit.

The hearing is set for Thursday before an administrative judge. Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi on Friday denied a motion by the president’s lawyer to quash a subpoena that requires Obama to show up.

The Office of State Administrative Hearings handles disputes between the public and state agencies.

For example, if the state Department of Revenue wants to revoke a business owner’s alcohol license, the owner could appeal to the Office of State Administrative Hearings.

It also handles ballot disputes.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/01/23/136655/georgia-judge-orders-president.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

Nando

Jan 23, 2012 If Billions disappear watch this video

twelvebooks — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:42:31 +0000

Nando

Jan 21, 2012 Zion and the armies against it

twelvebooks — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:14:59 +0000

The world seems to be going on like a runaway train bent on the destruction of Zion and they are unaware of the dangers and destruction that awaits them when they act on this abomination to God.

Most of the church of Christ is asleep to the inescapable march of prophecy that day by day brings us closer to the time of the Tribulations.

No sign can be stronger of the prophetic time it is than the Nation of Israel and the enemies that are gather against them. They will not listen and are being led to the slaughter like cows.

Well readers you have no excuse as plenty of people have been warning others of what is to come.

Nando

Jan 21, 2012 Forcing Peace on Israel = Sudden Destruction

twelvebooks — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:58:33 +0000

Many books have been written linking the efforts of the quartet, to ram a forced peace to Israel and take away the land that God has given them as a fulfillment of His promises to the Patriarchs.

In this interview with Mr. David Brennan, the author of the book The Israel Omen II and I, and Mr. Gary Stearman of www.prophecyinthenews.com discuss this theme that should be aware to the Bible believing Christians of the world.

The role that Barack Hussein Obama plays in this conflict is devoted three chapters of his book. In my opinion the best events are yet to come.

Obama will in the future be forceful in bringing this 7 year covenant to fruition thus thrusting the world into the dreaded 7 year Tribulation.

Great destruction has followed the past attempts to enforce this false peace and by the patterns that have been brought out in the past we can surmise that America is in for very rough times ahead.

In the interview David expresses his opinion that if Obama is re-elected he will be the most anti Israel president ever elected. My opinion is that this man will bring about his plan before the election of this year, bringing the destruction that follows such a fact. In other words there will be no election this fall!!!!

Nando

1月21日，2012年中國新年

twelvebooks — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:57:24 +0000

1月21日，2012年中國新年

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www.fivedoves.com主機是慶祝中國新年，在維基百科中，我們有一個舞蹈的年齡移交。
農曆新年
也稱為農曆新年，春節
觀察全球華人社區[1]
型文化，宗教
（佛教，道教，儒家）
意義的中國日曆（陰陽曆）的第一天
2011年這個日期，2月3日
2012年日期1月23日
2013日期2月10日
慶典龍舞/舞獅，煙花爆竹，家庭聚會，家庭聚餐，走親訪友的親戚（拜年），給紅包，對練（對聯）裝飾。
相關元宵節，從而結束了新年的慶祝活動。
蒙古新年（查幹特區），藏歷新年（藏歷新年），日本新年（Shōgatsu），韓國的新年（Seollal），越南新年（春節）

龍（撒旦）舞蹈/部落的猶大（耶穌）舞蹈的獅子。這是今年最後的衝突（啟示錄）開始？

那麼，在其原有的語言的中國後裔創世紀的故事，他們的繪畫語言呈現三張嘴（三位一體）神（香提）。結束的時間被稱為給他們，並在其年鑑中。

對於中國的語言的起源，我推薦這兩本書。

1）
Genesis和神秘的孔子不能解決埃塞爾 R.納爾遜和理查德E. Broadberry（平裝 – 1994年4月1）
2）發現創世記：創世記真理如何被發現隱藏 CH康和Ethel R.尼爾森在中國語言
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Jan 21, 2012 The Chinese New Year

twelvebooks — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:42:05 +0000

The host of www.fivedoves.com is celebrating the Chinese New Year and in Wikipedia we have a rendition of the dance of the ages.

Chinese New Year
Also called	Lunar New Year, Spring Festival
Observed by	Chinese communities worldwide^[1]
Type	Cultural, Religious (Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian)
Significance	The first day of the Chinese calendar (lunisolar calendar)
2011 date	February 3
2012 date	January 23
2013 date	February 10
Celebrations	Dragon dances/Lion dances, fireworks, family gathering, family meal, visiting friends and relatives (拜年), giving red envelopes, decorating with duilian (對聯).
Related to	Lantern Festival, which concludes the celebration of the New Year. Mongol New Year (Tsagaan Sar), Tibetan New Year (Losar), Japanese New Year (Shōgatsu), Korean New Year (Seollal), Vietnamese New Year (Tết)

The Dragon (Satan) dances / The lion of the tribe of Judah (Jesus) dances. Is this the year that the final clash (Apocalypse) starts?

Well the Chinese in their original language descended from the story of Genesis and their pictorial language rendered God (Shanti)with three mouths (the Trinity). Could the timing of the end have been known to them and incorporated in their almanac.

For the Chinese language origins I recommend these two books.

Genesis and the Mystery Confucius Couldn’t Solve by Ethel R. Nelson and Richard E. Broadberry (Paperback - Apr 1, 1994)

2) The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were Found Hidden in the Chinese Language by C. H. Kang and Ethel R. Nelson

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Jan 19, 2012 The wars at the beginning of the Apocalypse

twelvebooks — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:57:00 +0000

Roberta posted a very interesting article concerning the Psalm 83 wars in comparison to the Ezekiel 38-39 wars and their timing. The article makes the point that two authors who wrote books on this subject have concluded that it has already happened and the other that it has not happened yet. At this point I am inserting the article and will make my observations after you can read it.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/roberta119.htm

Roberta (19 Jan 2012)
“Psalm 83 redux“

I’m reading, The “Lost” Ten Tribes of Israel…Found!

Steven M. Collins

available at: http://stevenmcollins.com/homepage.php for $12.99 in pdf format.

While I don’t intend to do a book review at this point, I will say that it is a worthwhile read and well worth the modest $12.99. It’s 600 plus pages long and represents a ferocious volume of research.

We are currently mutually and equally confused as to whether we’re moving directly into the Gog/Magog war or a predecessor Psalm 83 war as postulated by Bill Salus in his excellent ISRALESTINE.

Salus asserts that the Psalm 83 war has not yet occurred. Indeed, his entire hypothesis stands or falls upon this assertion. Collins asserts the opposite — that the Psalm 83 war has occurred. The following quotation summarizes his position (highlights are mine, page# reference unavailable).

“ David’s thoughts on this war are recorded in Psalm 83. David’s

psalms were frequently inspired by the events of his life, and the

context of this chapter directly parallels the events of I

Chronicles 19. Psalms 83:34 refers to a “crafty counsel” of

many nations which were assembled to destroy the Israelite

nation. Psalm 83:8 shows that these nations had conspired to

“help the children of Lot.” Ammon was one of Lot’s children

(Genesis 19:3638), and I Chronicles 19 states that an alliance

of many nations was fighting Israel under the guise of coming to

assist the Ammonites (Lot’s children). This strongly indicates that

Psalm 83 and I Chronicles 19 are describing the same event. To

further cement these two biblical accounts together, Psalm 83:8

specifically states that Assyria (“Assur” was the forefather of the

Assyrians) was a member of the alliance attacking Israel. This

parallels the reference to “Mesopotamians” in I Chronicles 19, as

Assyria was the dominant Mesopotamian nation of that time.

A number of the nations referred to in Psalm 83 were, like

Ammon, subject people of Israel who were likely eager to throw

off Israel’s domination. The Philistines, Edom, Moab, and Amalek

were all subject to King David of Israel (I Chronicles 18:11), and

joined Ammon’s revolt against King David. Psalm 83:7 also lists

Gebal and “the inhabitants of Tyre” (both Phoenician cities) as

being part of the enemy alliance. This indicates the conspiracy

against Israel included some Phoenicians, who likely thought

they were “siding with a winner” by opposing Israel and backing

Assyria. King Hiram of Tyre, David’s ally, apparently experienced

a rebellion of Assyrian sympathizers among his own people.

However, the wording of verse 7 (it states that some “inhabitants

of Tyre,” not the leadership or whole city of Tyre,

were part of the enemy alliances) indicates that Hiram, the king

of Tyre, and part of his people remained loyal to David. Sidon,

another major Phoenician city, apparently stayed loyal to David,

as they are not included in the list of Israel’s enemies in Psalm

83. Since King Hiram remained a close friend of King David and

Israel after this battle, it is apparent that the leadership of Tyre

remained loyal to King David. While the account in I Chronicles

utilizes the general name of “Mesopotamians” to describe David’s

foes, David’s own account in Psalm 83 is more specific in naming

the Assyrians as his military opponents.

While the King James

Version of the Bible uses the term “Assur,” in Psalm 83:8, many

other versions of the Bible (the Revised Standard Version, The

New Jerusalem Bible, The New Scofield Study Bible) plainly

translate this word as “Assyria.” The Revised Standard Version is

especially clear is stating: “Assyria also joined them; they are

the strong arm of the children of Lot.”

Given the fact that

“Assyria” was the leader of the Mesopotamian nations, and that

the Ammonites were the “children of Lot,” there can be little

doubt that I Chronicles 19 and Psalm 83 refer to the same war.

In the second stage of the battle recorded in I Chronicles 19:16

19, the Israelites and the Syrians mobilized their entire national

military resources and clashed anew. This time there was no

more pretense that the Syrians were Ammonite mercenaries.

Also, the Assyrians were apparently no longer engaged, but had

retreated after being soundly defeated by the Israelite army. The

account states that David “gathered all Israel” and Syria “drew

forth the Syrians that were beyond the river” (meaning

reinforcements from east of the Euphrates River). The second

battle of this war involved King David and his fully mobilized

army marching eastward from the Jordan River to fight everyone

the Syrians could muster. After suffering 47,000 dead, including

their commander, the Syrians yielded to King David and “became

his servants,” meaning they became vassal nations of Israel who

paid tribute to King David.”

Both Collins and Salus could be right IF PSALM 83 IS A DOUBLE EDGED PROPHECY.

First, if the Psalm 83 war is about to repeat, my personal observation is that Daniel’s 70th. week would occur sometime around 2060 — in line with Isaac Newton’s schedule. This allows time for Salus’ ISRALESTINE scenario to play out.

ISRALESTINE cannot play out unless the USA is taken out as a player. In other words, an imminent rapture is still likely.

If Collins is right (and Psalm 83 is not double edged), then we are moving directly into the Gog/Magog war. Again, the rapture is imminent. The USA has to be removed as a player. And the rapture would surely accomplish this. Pick a number, any number, in the millions, even the very low millions. Instantly remove that number from our population. The USA would be devastated. The military would be eviscerated. The economy would instantly crash. Essential services would cease to be. And so forth and so on. The USA would recover, but it would take time, and Gog/Magog is a very fast war.

Having been hopeful but wrong for nigh unto twenty years now, I’m beyond betting the ranch on any particular date. I continue to expect the call of our saviour imminently.

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The nations that are involved in the Psalm 83 war are the nations that have borders with the State of Israel at the present time. The nations mentioned in the Ezekiel 38-39 war are further away from Israel by hundreds or thousands of kilometers or miles and to go to war with Israel would have to traverse the territories occupied by the Psalm 83 nations. This fact is the basis for Bill Salus book Isralestine.

Another fact that is worth noting is that all the nations mentioned in both these prophecies are in the present time bellicose with Israel with virulent histrionics and threats of genocide against the Jews.

As I see things happening in the Islamic world at the present time I can not visualize the Psalm 83 war separate to the Ezekiel 38-39 war and I find it also as difficult to separate them to the Red horse of Revelation (second Seal). Concluding my thought I am looking for the confirmation of the covenant and the opening of the first seal to start the Tribulations at any moment now.

Did the Psalm 83 wars occurred also in the past and have a second fulfillment? Maybe.

Nando