Posts Tagged ‘Communication with God’
March 25, 2012 More replies to Watcher Woman
This is a continuation of my last post about license plates. I read this post after I posted mine and it is so interrelated to it that here it is.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/watcherw324-1.htm
Watcher Woman (24 March 2012)
“And He that sits in the Heavens shall laugh……………..oh yeah……Ps 2:4“
Dear Doves
I just had to share the following crazy story with you.
Each morning as I leave the driveway, I pray the same approximate prayer for myself, my family, friends, employers, etc.
Lord, I am covered under the 91st Psalm and the Blood of Jesus. No weapon that is formed against me shall prosper.
Lord, I thank You for stationing angels around bout my house, my car, my friends and family. Etc Etc.
I usually end it with thanking Him for helping me to be an overcomer and to be part of the Bride of Christ and coming to take me home.
Last week, I had not been sleeping well and was very groggy and not fully awake as I left home for work. I said my usual prayers but
probably more so by rote and routine than consciously and then went on my merry way.
Later that afternoon after I had caught my second wind, I checked in with the Lord as I always do and boy, oh, boy, did things get
interesting!!!
The Lord said to me, (in my head, heart or spirit, I don’t know) Do you remember what you prayed this morning?
And I had to stop and think about it because I didn’t remember much about the entire morning but yawning a lot. Then it began
to come back to me and I said:
Oh, good Lord! Oh, I didn’t! Did I? And He said, Yes, you did. And I said, But you know I meant to say……
And He said, I know what you meant.
And I just burst out laughing and I began to feel God laughing with me. Really laughing.
What I had said in my half awake state was:
Oh, Lord, make me an overcomer and a part of your Bride. Forgive me, Lord, for my sins
and save me from the wrath of Khan.
The Wrath of Khan…………….for heaven’s sakes!!!!!
For the first time in my life, I felt like The Father, Son and Holy Spirit were absolutely cracking up
at me. It was embarrassing but also hysterically funny and I just rofl!!!
Needless to say, I will never be able to say the words, Save me from the Wrath to Come again with a straight face!!!!!
lol lol pray for me. I’m crazy!!!!!! blessings, the Watcher Woman

Nando
March 25, 2012 To Watcher Woman and doves License plate messages I received this week
The day before yesterday I posted a communication I had with Jesus by license plates. That same day I had given my testimony of the many years that Jesus has communicated with me using license plates.
Yesterday on my way to the car dealer to fix some warning light I was thinking of the post that I had on fivedoves about Obama being the Antichrist and at that moment a car besides mine goes by with the license plate 666. two cars ahead there was a car with the license plate 277.
Today while leaving the parking lot of church the car to the left had the 666 license plate also.
This week I have been under very intense physical and spiritual attack and the fight is still on. The physical altercation was witnessed by my neighbors when I called the police.
My neighbor is a strong believer in Christ and yesterday he came to talk to me and told me that the day that everything happened he was awakened at three o’clock in the morning and when he looked into the camera he saw an angel in front of both our houses, he awoke his wife but she could not see it. I believe his story and I know that Jesus is protecting me and my family.
I am in the front lines of this battle that is being waged by the forces of Satan against the family of believers and I now that the enemy will attack those who fight him the most.
Please remember me in your prayers.
Watcher Woman I just showed your post to my wife and she found it unbelievable, thanks for showing us.
To you readers Obama is the Antichrist and the Tribulation and Rapture are at the corner.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/watcherw324.htm
Watcher Woman (24 March 2012)
“For those of you who don’t believe God speaks to us thru license plates…….!!!!“
Dear Doves
About two weeks ago, a close relative of mine lost his 26 yr old wife. It was a tragic thing and we are still all
stunned about it. Her name was Bree Love.
While driving to another state the day after her funeral, to attend a memorial service for her relatives that could not attend,
my grief stricken young relative was shocked and amazed to see a black vehicle pull in front of him. He grabbed his cell phone and took the following picture. Nobody on earth can tell me that was not God…………………!!!! It gives me chills. God is so good!!!
Bless you all, Watcher Woman

March 23, 2012 Immigration records missing for week of Obama’s birth
Last night a friend of my daughter visit out house and we started talking about politics and the conversation turned to Obama. He said after I mentioned that he was the Antichrist that the man had nor done anything drastic to imply he is the Antichrist, so the thought lingered in my mind about the veracity of his statement.
About a half hour latter my wife arrived and due to the hour 9 PM I decided to go out and buy it.
Iwent to pollo tropical a take out chicken place and when I get into the drive through lane the car in front had the following license plate:
IAV 793 I= Jesus A = Antichrist V = my first initial on the last name 793 = The gematria of Barack Hussein Obama.
The total # of cars I saw before this one was less than 10 if you want to figure the probability that this occurred by chance.
This morning there was a news item in Rapture Ready the referred to Obama’s birth and I am posting it below.
Nando
http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/03/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obamas-birth/
WND EXCLUSIVE
Immigration records missing for week of Obama’s birth
Arpaio’s team probing possibility president born abroad
Published: 10 hours ago
by Jerome R. CorsiEmail | Archive

After months of searching, investigators commissioned by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio to examine Barack Obama’s eligibility for office found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, only to discover that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.
Investigators were searching to determine if Barack Obama might have been born in a foreign country and returned to Honolulu in or around August 1961 with his mother, Ann Dunham.
Arpaio’s team looked at databases in the National Archives and Records Administration with microfilm of INS passenger records for foreign flights arriving in Honolulu and New York City.
If Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he and the Hawaii Department of Health have been insisting, there should be INS passenger cards that the new mother filled out for herself and her infant son upon arrival in Honolulu from a Pacific Rim city or arrival in New York City from across the Atlantic.
Arpaio launched the investigation after being presented with a petition signed by 250 members of the Surprise Tea Party in Surprise, Ariz. He authorized a volunteer Cold Case Posse of former law enforcement officers and detectives in October 2011 to examine the authenticity of Obama’s long-form birth certificate and to determine Obama’s eligibility to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Before he was first elected Maricopa County sheriff in 1993, Arpaio spent 25 years with the Drug Enforcement Administration, including service as DEA regional director in Mexico City and special agent in charge in Phoenix. He is running for re-election to his sixth term as Maricopa County sheriff.
As WND reported, Arpaio’s team found probable cause that the document presented one year ago as Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. WND reported yesterday that Arpaio asked Selective Service Director Lawrence Romo in a letter to produce original documentation of Obama’s Selective Service registration, noting his team’s finding that there is probable cause that it, too, was forged.
Microfilm examined
After INS passenger records for foreign flights entering the U.S. through Hawaii in a database identified as “A3573″ were found, Arpaio’s investigators found a second database, designated as “A3998,” with comparable INS records for foreign flights arriving at New York City’s Idlewild Airport.
One complication was that the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, held only the original microfilm records for INS 1961 airline passenger record. Since the original microfilm records were often the only existing copies of the passenger manifests, NARA would not permit them to be viewed by researchers. The intent was to protect the originals from being scratched or damaged, especially by placing them on a microfilm reel or copier.
Finally, NARA agreed to produce microfilm copies of 24 reels of records for the time period from July 1961 through September 1961.
Subsequently, 28 microfilm reels from A3998 records of INS passenger cards for foreign flights arriving at New York’s Idlewild Airport in August 1961 were copied by NARA and made available for examination at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.
To date, researchers are waiting for the additional 1961 records for both datasets to be copied by NARA and made available for inspection at the National Archives.
Obama birth-week records missing
Investigators examining the microfilm records found only one week of INS passenger cards to be completely missing in all the records so far examined.
In some sequences of cards, the records were blurred or overlapped each other, obscuring the data.
Specifically, in Record Group A 3573, data records for Aug. 2, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961, appear to be completely missing, as if the records were removed from the database prior to the microfilm recording.
Exhibit A shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 184, for INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961.
Exhibit A: INS cards, Honolulu, July 28 to Aug. 7, 1961
Exhibit B shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 185, INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from Aug. 8 through Aug. 12, 1961.
Exhibit B: INS cards, Honolulu, Aug. 8 – Aug. 12, 1961
Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185 or any other microfilm reel in the record group.
Exhibit C is a Photostat printout of what the end of Reel 184 looks like.
While the printout is only partial, what can be observed is one of the two or three INS cards in the records from Aug. 1, 1961. The reel ends with about 10 inches of white blurs and black space, without any other records from Aug. 1 to Aug. 7, 1961, despite the written documentation to the contrary on the microfilm reel’s box.
Exhibit C: INS cards, Reel 184, end of reel
NARA explains
In a series of emails beginning Nov. 21, 2011, investigators notified NARA archive reference specialists of the missing dates. NARA specialists in Washington, D.C., checked with the NARA employees in College Park, Md., who had made the duplicate microfilm reels for public inspection.
College Park NARA officials found the INS passenger records in Record Group A3573, Reels 184 and 185, were also missing in the original microfilm reels. No INS original paper documents could be found for 1961.
At the request of investigators, NARA archivists documented the missing records in a two-page letter. The first page of the letter can be viewed here and the second page here.
In the Feb. 6 letter, Brenda Beasley Kepley, chief of NARA’s Archives 1 Processing Section, acknowledged that passenger records for Record Group A3573, Rolls 184 and 185, covering the period July 28 through Aug. 12, 1961, had been filmed by the INS in August 1961, and the original paper records were not retained.
Kepley acknowledged that the records for the period Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing. She argued that the missing data was due to poor quality control that allowed multiple cards to be fed through a document feeder and become bunched together, obscuring the images underneath.
“Apparently no quality control was done at the time of filming to check for these errors,” Kepley wrote. “Consequently, it is difficult to determine whether or not images of cards for the period August 2 through August 7 exist on Roll 184. If they do, they are unreadable.”
The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office ordered and obtained duplicate microfilm of Rolls 184 and 185 to be placed into evidence.
Investigators examining both microfilm rolls determined that the 10 inches of microfilm filled by white blurs and blank space would have been a fraction of the microfilm inches needed had records been intact for all foreign flights arriving in Honolulu Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961.
While a few bunched records are observed at the end of Reel 184, investigators did not find evidence of the volume of INS passenger record cards that would have been present had the records been microfilmed.
The bunching up of several hundred INS passenger card records for the dozens of flights arriving in Hawaii Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961 would have constituted a major collapse in the document feeding mechanism that could not possibly have gone unnoticed by the microfilm technicians making the archive record from the physical paper copies.
MCSO investigators concluded that the NARA explanation of bunched up and overlapping records caused by a defective document feeder was not a credible explanation for what was observed on the two microfilm reels.
Reel 185 begins with Aug. 8, 1961, with minimal and expected blank lead microfilm and with no trace of bunched or overlapping records from previous dates.
Instead, MCSO investigators have concluded that the INS passenger records for the dates Aug. 2 – Aug. 7, 1961 are missing from NARA Record Group A3575 for reasons that remain unexplained.
MCSO investigators are currently waiting for NARA to duplicate the remaining 1961 INS passenger cards in both record groups for subsequent inspection at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
Editor’s Note: Arpaio’s team authorized WND’s Jerome Corsi to examine the INS documents at the National Archives.
Previous stories:
Sheriff Joe wants Obama’s original draft card
Sheriff Joe: ‘Tons’ more shocking Obama info
Full-blown media cover-up of hottest U.S. story
Postman: Ayers family put ‘foreigner’ Obama through school
Breitbart editor: We won’t probe eligibility
Rush: Media ignoring Sheriff Joe death threat
Obama ‘fanatic’ guilty in Arpaio death threat
Donald Trump: Say it is so, Sheriff Joe
O’Reilly: My probe better than Sheriff Joe’s
Arpaio: ‘Probable cause’ Obama certificate a fraud
What does law say about Obama’s eligibility?
Alinsky-style leftist ramps up effort to oust Sheriff Joe
100,000 line up to back Sheriff Joe
Obama backer arrested for death threats against Sheriff Joe
Justice Department blinks in battle against Sheriff Joe
Anti-Arpaio protesters ousted from meeting
Another protest against Sheriff Joe fails
Obama’s harassment of Sheriff Joe
‘Resign now’ protest against Sheriff Joe fizzles
Sheriff Joe targeted for ouster
Sheriff Joe ‘suspicious’ of motive behind Obama attacks
Sheriff Joe to Obama: I’ll keep doing my job
Nando
Sept 18, 2012 An encripted message from Jesus
At 8.30 PM I went to pick a dinner that I ordered at a restaurant. On the way back home at the red light where I had seen the plates XXX XXX in the car with a sticker 2012 (See previous post) there was a car with the plate
T77 7TX remember the plate I saw this noon 777 TAX well this is not a coincidence or fluke, the message is from Jesus and the T’s and X’s are the message TX does it stand for Texas? what is the relationship to XXX Petrus Romanus or the post by KS Rajan (URL) XXX. ?
I do not know the answer yet, but I have a feeling that it will become apparent soon.
Nando
Clay Cantrell (28 Nov 2011) “The Account of December 5, 1997″ (do not miss reading the whole thing! Nando))
It is with great pleasure that I read this post today of Clay Cantrell’s walk with the Lord and his revealing of things that are to come and the numbers that tie them together.
There is so much information in this post that it requires careful scrutiny and observation.
Thank you Clay for giving us the insight into your journey and communications with the Lord.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2011/clay1128-4.htm
Clay Cantrell (28 Nov 2011)
“The Account of December 5, 1997“
Readers -
when it gets to be this time of year, I post this link. this is especially for new readers that may not be familiar with my testimony.
it gives a partial accounting of a supernatural visitation from God that started December 5th, 1997 and lasted for about eight days. The power of God that was on me because of His presence stayed well into 1998, though, and two months later i was still feeling it.
http://www.fivedoves.com/numberer/clay810.htm
thanks to John Tng for keeping it up on his main home page!
special note:
there is one error in the Update re Ascensions section, which I will have to correct at some point.
that Dream of the White Rooms occurred on March 23, 2010
not August 23, as I mistakenly typed in the account.
the correct date is pretty important actually.
Nando
I finished this post at 5 PM and went to the grocery store to buy the weekly groceries. Before I went I had the opportunity to read all of your posts today in fivedoves and all the time I kept thinking that in some of your posts it was difficult for me to follow your numbers and was left in limbo as to the reasons you used to go the way you did and the conclusions that you formulate from the numbers that you choose.
The message that you are transmitting is intended for the church and in the church most of the members lack a mathematical and scientific education to follow complex numbers and conclusions.
I take it very seriously that the Lord has inspired or shown things to you with the purpose of enlightening His body of believers and for that reason you must labor more to present your material in a logical and more explained manner so that most of the doves and readers can follow you better.
I was debating whether to write this critique all the time that I was at the groceries but I feel that the Lord answer that question for me when I reached the car to load the groceries. Parked next to me was a car with the license plate 777_ XDQ and as you know the 777 is God’s # and the probability of seeing it when three numbers are involved is 1/1000 so I am doing it at 6:30 PM.
To illustrate my point I am going to put below a page I did today for one of my clients withthe purpose of showing you the material that I handle daily and to show you that only a very trained person in my field would feel comfortable in understanding what is there without a very detailed explanation,
Here it goes:
|
SUBJECT: STEEL STAIR |
DATE: 11-28-11 |
BY: |
Design of stair beams A (Rectangular HSS 10x2x3/16) (S = 8.74 in3)(Span = 10’-0”)
(Steel A500 Grade B)
Loads:
DL tube = 14.53 PLF
DL steel tread 3/16” = (7.66 x 1.83’ x 2.83’) x 12/11 = 43.3 PLF
Conc. 2” tread filler = (2.08 x 12 x 2.83’) x 12/11 = 77.1 PLF
DL railing = 25 PLF
wLL = 100 PSF x 2.83’ = 283 PLF
wtotal = 14.53 + 43.3 + 77.1 + 283 = 418 PLF
End reaction R = 418 x 10 / 2 = 2,090 #
M = wl2 / 8 = 418 x 102 / 8 = 5,225 ft-lb
Fb = 0.66 x 42,000 = 27,720 psi
fb = M / S = 5,225 x 12 / 8.74 = 7,174 psi < Fb Ok
Design of member D
Plate ½” x 8” x 6’-1”
Steel A36
S = bd2/6 = 0.5 x 82 / 6 = 5.33 in3
End reaction R = 2,090 #
Moment M = 2,090 x 8.5” = 17,765 in-lb
Fb = 0.75 Fy = 0.75 x 36,000 = 27,000 psi
fb = M / S = 17,765 / 5.33 = 3,333 psi < Fb Ok
Check 3/16” fillet welds in 2” x 4” holes
Allowable load of 3/16” E70xx per inch = 2,780 #/in
Total allow. Force of vert. welds = (4” + 4”) x 2,780 = 22,240 #
End reaction R = 2,090 # Ok
Check 3/16” plate at treads (span 5’-8”)
Live Load = 300 # or 100 plf
Dead load = 43.3 + 77.1 = 120.4 #/ft
Moment M1 = Pl/4 + wl2/8 = (300 x 5.67’ / 4) + (120.4 x 5.672 / 8) = 909.1 ft-lb or
Moment M2 = wl2/8 = 220 x 5.672 / 8 = 884.1 ft-lb
Properties from Autocad properties
Ix = 14.776 in4 , Sxtop = 2.64 in3 , Sxbot = 11.09 in3
Fb = 0.75 x 36,000 = 27,000 psi
fb = M / S = 909.1 x 12 / 2.64 = 4,132 psi < Fb Ok
Now if I had to explain this sheet to a non trained person my presentation would have to include a lot more information than just the above.
This is the design of two stair beams marked A in the drawing that is included and the beams are made of two (High Strength Beams) HSS with a width of 2″ and a depth of 10″ whose thickness is 3/16″ and with a Section Modulus (a property that relates to the capacity of the member to carry load in units of inches cubed) S =8.74 whose horizontal distance from supports (first to second floor) is ten feet.
Design of stair beams A (Rectangular HSS 10x2x3/16) (S = 8.74 in3)(Span = 10’-0”)
This may not make it understandable to all who read it, but the amount of people that do understand it will be more.
Now my point is also if I had trouble following you at times and I live with numbers, although different ones, others will not even bother when it is such an important message from the Lord that is shown to you.
In brotherly conversation and not unbelief,
Nando
Oct 19, 2011 Are Harold Camping and Ola Illori right about the Rapture on Oct 21, 2011?
The article written by Ola Illori is about the Rapture occurring at the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles of this year and he concludes it will be on Friday the 21 at 17;01 In Jerusalem.
It could well be that he is correct as well as Harold Camping which has also given this date. If it is the time for the Rapture I would be a very happy camper and not implying a follower of Harold.
my take to this Feast is not for the Rapture, but for the beginning of the seven years of Tribulation.
The festival implies God living with us (Israel) as it did in the tent that held the ark of the covenant in the desert when all the tribes were camped (again the word) around it, three tribes in each of the North, South, East and West and all the tribes in temporary shelters.
This is to celebrate when God will come again to dwell with men during the millennial Kingdom the start of which I must assume will be on Tabernacles of the year 2018. Of course we know that before the second coming we must have a seven years long Apocalypse which brings us back in time to the present time which will end next Friday the 21 the last day of Tabernacles or Sukkot.
Now the real question that we must answer is why do we pick the second coming of Jesus to be on the Festival of Sukkot of the year 2018?
The answer to that is that all the reasons that we state will only have a meaning to those people that are a believer in the prophecies of the bible and that think that Israel is the key to unlocking the timing of the end times. Non believers, scoffers, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoist, Nihilists and all the other billions of people that are lost and that do not read the Bible will think that all this is hogwash and will pay absolutely no attention to any of it.
For those who take this seriously, Israel was prophetically resurrected on May 14, 1948 (Ezekiel 36-37) and this date is a time sand clock in the eternal time of God. The prophecies of the second coming are all linked in time to this event.
In Matthew 24:32-35 Jesus gives us a clue to his coming by stating that the generation that saw the fig(Israel) tree being born will see the fulfillment of all the end times prophecies. Qualifying in those seeing are the Israelis 21 years or older in 1948 and a generation can be from 40 to 70 years. We are already at the point that the only alternate is to use the 70 years generational span that puts us on 2018 with people in their 91 years of age.
Concluding the Apocalypse will start seven years before on a day of the Feast of Tabernacles of 2011.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2011/ola1019.htm
Ola Ilori (19 Oct 2011)
“FEAST OF TABERNACLES 2011“
Nando
Oct 10, 2011 Dr. Owur prophecy of second earthquake coming to the East Coast of the USA
Dr. Owur issued a prophecy about a second earthquake coming to the East coast of the USA. He asked for the leaders of the Nation to lead a repentance wave and to prepare for the coming of the Lord.
In my opinion this warning will fall on deaf ears, but it will serve to satisfy the Lord in the judgment of the Nation whren the cry for turning away from sin is ignored and the punishment is meted on the sinner.
Nando
KS Rajan (VIDEO) second earth quake in usa
Nando
Oct 7, 2011 Confirmation of the Apocalypse
This post is to tell you the reader what happened in a short car trip at 6 PM today. In the trip I had seen four or five cars plates when I saw one starting in 677 —. The 77 is the plates Jesus and I communicate with.
Just after this plate a car or two after a new van goes by me with the plates starting in 999 —, this number means the end and if you go back to the beginning of this block in May of 2008 you will see that I was prodded to start writing the blog after seeing a series of 999 and Jesus confirming it meant the end. That plate that started it all was 999 GOD which is a highly unusual one to say the least.
We kept going in a different direction by turning right and at the first red light there was a car with the plate 066 — which in this case means the 66th book of the bible or the book of Apocalypse.
The confirmation of the date was not given but in June I had a series of five plates with the number 766 on them which meant on the seventh month. There were two possibilities to the 7th month, one is July by our calendar, the other is the month of Tishri by the Jewish calendar. Obviously the month of July is out so Tishri was the message. Tishri goes from Sept 29 to October 28.
http://www.jewfaq.org/current.htm
Nando
PS I had been troubled in spirit about the start of the Apocalypse and before the car trip I voice my request for confirmation in my mind, leaving it up to him for the manner to the communication.
You now have the same data that I got and you can interpret it as you may think.
Nando
Oct 5, 2011 Eschatology or the End of Times Is It Important? You Bet It Is!
The article that follows this introduction explains in pretty accurate way the current forms of Christian eschatology. As far as this writer is concerned this is the only valid way to look at the things that pertain to the future. The ability to see into the future is the whole attribute of God and to whomever he chooses to show it to, be it angel or human.
There are other humans, civilizations and religions in the world that claim to be able to do this and as an example we have Muslim eschatology, Mayan, Chinese, American Indians, Nostredamus, Seers like Madame Blavatski and many others which in the opinion of this writer originate from Satan who is the major counterfeiter of the true God of the Bible and the prophecies He has chosen to show us. Satan has lived many thousands of years and posed as many humans as well. Through them and the myriads of fallen angels, demons and wicked spirits he has a pretty well defined idea of the timing and events that will be happening in the future. Some of this events will originate from his plans to oppose God and some from the humans he has influence on.
There in a nut shell is an abstract of what eschatology is. The one of concern to the reader is the one that is true. In my opinion it is important that the reader gets involved in reading first of all the book of Revelation as well as the Bible in its entirety. I suggest that you start in Revelation because it is still mostly in the future, specially from chapter 6 to the end.
It is also my very profound and personal opinion that this part of the book of Revelation will see its beginning before the month of Tishri ends (Sept 29 to October 28 of 2011), please see the past entries of Communication with God. The article below is very long so go to the link for the rest.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2011/paulw104-1.htm
Paul Wilson (4 Oct 2011)
“Is Your Eschatology Showing?”
T. A. McMahon
When I became a believer, the most popular Christian book of the day was The
Late
Great Planet Earth, written by Hal Lindsey. It stimulated a great deal of
interest
in biblical prophecy and, in particular, in the doctrine of the Rapture of
the church.
Prophecy and the Rapture were two theological concepts that were foreign to
someone
like me, who had been raised in the Roman Catholic Church. I couldn’t figure
out
what either one of them was about or what they had to do with Christianity.
As I grew in my understanding of the Scriptures, however, I began to get
very excited
about both doctrines. The idea that Jesus could be coming back at any time
to take
me to heaven to be with Him was indeed a blessed hope (Titus 2:12-13). Yet
only
a few years later I noticed that some of my evangelical friends (and just
Christians
in general) didn’t share my excitement–or at least the interest in it
seemed to
be on the wane.
Enthusiasm appeared to be fading into a blasé attitude regarding the
imminent return
of Jesus for His bride. Great expectation wilted to a posture of
semi-confusion:
“He could be returning prior to the Great Tribulation,” or “He may come back
for
us midway through the Tribulation,” or “perhaps at the end of the
Tribulation.”
To keep it from becoming a debate issue among evangelicals, some called
themselves
“pan-tribbers,” meaning pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib–whatever panned out
would
be fine with them.
A number of things contributed to that attitude. It was recognized that the
timing
of the Rapture was not a doctrine that was essential for salvation, nor was
a belief
in it critical. It would take place for those who were truly born
again–whether
or not they believed that it would, and no matter when they believed it
would take
place. Thus the feeling among many grew that it was no big deal what one
believed.
Some were also intimidated by the rise of anti-Rapture teachers, who were
quite
militant and aggressive in their attempts to prove that the doctrine wasn’t
in the
Bible or even that it was heretical. The problem with these objections is
that they
reflect the thinking of men rather than the teaching of God, something that
is always
a recipe for serious problems (Proverbs 14:12; 16:25). This also raises a
question
(which for most evangelicals didn’t seem relevant 30 years ago but today
begs an
answer) that is quite significant: Is your eschatology showing?
Eschatology is the study of what the Bible teaches about the End Times. It
considers
the events that will take place related to the Second Coming of Jesus
Christ: what
will precede His return, what will happen during His return, and what takes
place
following His coming back to earth. Obviously, since He hasn’t returned yet
(though
some would dispute that), all of the related teachings make up biblical
prophecy.
So, eschatology has to do with what the Scriptures teach prophetically about
the
Last Days.
What, then, do I mean by asking, “Is your eschatology showing?”
Scripture tells us that the just (i.e., justified believers) shall live by
faith
(Habakkuk 2:4, Romans 1:7, Galatians 3:1, Hebrews 10:38). This means that
what
we believe must be lived out in order for our lives to be fruitful and
pleasing
to the Lord. If our understanding of what the Word of God says will take
place in
the future is not true to the Scriptures, our activities based upon that
misunderstanding
will be unfruitful and even spiritually destructive. I have given some
reasons above
why people avoid eschatological issues, to which I could add that some
regard them
as too far in the future to be of any practical concern or value in their
lifetime.
That’s never been the case, and the practical realities of eschatological
beliefs
are becoming more evident every day.
The most prevalent eschatological teachings in church history are
Premillennialism
and Amillennialism. Premillennialism is the belief that Jesus Christ will
return
to earth in an event known as the Second Coming, which will be at the
beginning
of His thousand-year reign from Jerusalem. Then there is Amillennialism.
Amillennialists
do not believe in a literal thousand-year reign of Jesus on the earth;
rather, He
is said to have taken dominion over the earth right after His resurrection
and now
rules from heaven.
A somewhat related view is that of Postmillennialism, which declares that
Christ’s
Second Coming will take place following His figurative millennial reign from
heaven.
Is the eschatological view of Amillennialism showing? Yes, and it has been
for millennia,
starting back in the fourth century. Augustine, the chief architect of the
major
dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church, is credited with introducing
Amillennialism
in his book The City of God.
To maintain some semblance of biblical veracity, Amillennialists must
spiritualize
nearly all of the prophetic scriptures related to Israel and the Millennium
because
a literal interpretation completely contradicts their eschatology.
Spiritualizing
is a process of interpretation that disregards the plain sense of the text
in order
to ascertain a “higher” meaning, especially one that reinforces one’s
doctrinal
bias. That approach to interpreting the Word of God, however, has had
terribly destructive
consequences. For example, the prophetic scriptures that refer to Israel
have been
spiritualized by Amillennialists to apply to the church. That false doctrine
is
known as replacement theology, although in replacing Israel with the church,
those
who teach such things major on the blessings and rarely if ever apply to the
church
the curses directed at Israel.
Roman Catholicism started the Amillennial ball rolling, and it was continued
by
the Reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, with the difference, of
course,
being their belief that the Protestant church rather than the Church of Rome
had
replaced Israel. Among its other problems, replacement theology has been
instrumental
in sowing the seeds of anti-Semitism within Christendom. The Catholic Church
published
more than 100 anti-Semitic documents between the sixth and twentieth
centuries (see
A Woman Rides the Beast).
Luther, in particular, exemplified anti-Semitism among the reformers. The
vicious
diatribes in his writings such as On the Jews and Their Lies, although not
based
solely on his Amillennialism, were certainly dependent on it.
Calvin’s Amillennialism was the basis for his attempt to create a Christian
utopia
in the city of Geneva, which he controlled. In the sixteenth and seventeenth
centuries,
Amillennialism was the breeding ground for Preterism. During the
counterreformation,
Jesuit priest Luis de Alcasar interpreted the prophecies of the Book of
Revelation
as having already been fulfilled in the first century A.D. It wasn’t until
the early
eighteenth century, however, that Preterism, the belief that most, if not
all, biblical
prophecies have been fulfilled, began to be espoused by Protestants.
That, of course, was then–but what about today? Amillennialism is the most
common
eschatological belief among professing Christians. It is the view of Roman
Catholics,
Greek and Russian Orthodox churches, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans,
Episcopalians,
the Church of Christ, some Independent Baptists, and most Calvinists (with
some
notable exceptions). In the last quarter-century Amillennialism has spawned
Christian
Reconstructionism/Theonomy, a latter-day attempt similar to Calvin’s failed
experiment
to set up the “City of God” in Geneva.
The goal today, however, is far more ambitious as it seeks to take dominion
over
the world. The Reconstructionists, a.k.a. Theonomists, are all about setting
up
the Kingdom of God on earth through the implementation of the Old and New
Testament
laws and principles. An offshoot of Reconstructionism is the Coalition On
Revival,
or COR. This is a movement that made some headway in the decade of the ’90s
through
the support of leading evangelicals and through the political activism of
the religious
right.
Its strategy is to make the Christian worldview dominant in all “spheres of
society”:
education, science, politics, the arts, the military, and so forth. As the
name
more than implies, the eschatology of COR, or Coalition on Revival, is
focused on
bringing about worldwide revival, something that most Christians would find
favorable.
That may be the reason that some highly visible evangelical leaders who do
not hold
to an Amillennial theology–or its offspring–signed the original COR
Manifesto.
As one might expect, the Coalition On Revival is decidedly anti-Prophecy and
anti-Rapture.
The biblical doctrines of Prophecy and the Rapture do not support the
agendas or
goals of the Amillennial-driven COR proponents.
Though Christian Reconstructionism and the Coalition On Revival seem to be
past
their heyday of influence within Christendom, they are regarded by some as
nothing
more than a passing trend. I disagree. Trends such as the Manifest Sons of
God,
the Shepherding Movement, the Word/Faith teachings, the Church Growth trend,
the
Emerging Church Movement, and so on and so forth, come in waves much like an
ocean
wave, which approaches the beach, crests, and then crashes upon the sand,
dumping
whatever debris it carries. What’s deposited by the wave sometimes sticks in
the
sand, while other flotsam disappears back out to sea. That’s the way it is
with
unbiblical teachings and trends that have attracted large numbers of
Christians
throughout church history.
The Kingdom-dominionism of the Latter-rain, Manifest Sons of God movement
that I
mentioned earlier is a classic example. It started in Canada in the
mid-1940s,
and has ebbed and flowed throughout Christendom, particularly among
Pentecostals
and Charismatics. You can see its heretical teachings reflected today in
so-called
spiritual revivals and movements such as the Toronto Blessing, the
Brownsville Revival,
the Kansas City Prophets, the International House of Prayer (IHOP), and the
New
Apostolic Reformation.
Christian Reconstructionism influences and Coalition On Revival concepts are
also
making a modest yet effective return. There is a high-quality apologetics
series
produced by Focus on the Family titled The Truth Project(see TBC 9/11) that
has
been capturing the hearts and minds of young-adult evangelicals throughout
the
country. Significant doctrinal problems arise, however, because a major
“scriptural
worldview” of the series, albeit unstated, is Amillennialism. Some of the
key teachers
are Calvinists. Reconstructionism is never mentioned; nevertheless, the
central
teachings of Reconstructionism and Theonomy are apparent.
Scripture clearly rejects Amillennialism. The Bible foretells that the
imminent
Rapture of the church, the Great Tribulation, the Second Coming, the
Millennial
Reign of Christ, the Dissolving of Our Present Heavens and Earth, and the
Creating
of a New Heaven and New Earth, will all take place, in that order. That
prophetic
biblical scenario, however, does not fit with Amillennialism (or
Postmillennialism)
or any of the other attempts to usher in the Kingdom of God (See Whatever
Happened
to Heaven? Resource Pages).
The true scriptural view is that the biblical events that I just listed will
literally
take place and need to be considered in regard to any plans or agendas of
men or
ministries. We should not expect worldwide revival or a global Christian
transformation–not,
that is, until the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ, because the Bible
declares
that the Last Days will be characterized by great spiritual deception in the
world
and apostasy in the church. Does that mean that we should bail out on the
world?
No. But there is no scriptural basis for believing that the world will be or
can
be transformed through biblical law or biblical principles.
It should be apparent that one’s Amillennial beliefs have practical
consequences
for anyone who lives those doctrines out in his life. However, the same is
true
for those who claim to be Premillennialists, who believe that Jesus must
return
in order to begin His literal one-thousand-year reign on this earth.
What does the Bible say regarding the living out of a Premillennial
eschatology?
First of all, the doctrine is characterized primarily as a believer’s
“blessed
hope”: “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
great God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:12-13). Verse 12 indicates what our
lives
should be like as we are “looking for that blessed hope”: “Teaching us that,
denying
ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and
godly, in
this present world;” John, the beloved, and likely the last of the apostles
to go
to be with Jesus, gives us this exhortation, which no doubt he himself lived
out:
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall
see him
as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even
as he
is pure” (1 John 3:2-3).
Jesus said, “If a man love me, he will keep my words” (John 14:23). And in
Luke
6:46, Jesus posed this question: “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not
the
things which I say?” We need to examine ourselves to see if we are in the
faith,
once and for all delivered unto the saints.
Paul wasn’t simply passing on some platitudes or a take-it-or-leave-it
suggestion
to young Timothy when he wrote, “But thou, O man of God, flee [sinful]
things; and
follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
Fight the
good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also
called, and
hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. I give thee charge
in the
sight of God…that thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable,
until
the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Timothy 6:11-14).
Our lives need to reflect what Paul wrote as we look forward to Christ’s
appearing.
To that John adds, “…abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have
confidence,
and not be ashamed before him at his coming” (1 John 2:28). Peter not only
wraps
it up for us, he mentions the difficulties involved and then underscores
where
our hearts need to be as we look forward to an event that will be more
exciting
than anyone of us can imagine. He declares, “Wherein ye greatly rejoice,
though
now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold
temptations:
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that
perisheth,
though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and
glory at
the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom,
though now
ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of
glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls” (1 Peter
1:6-9).
I hope and pray that our true biblical eschatology is showing. Maranatha!
tbc
Nando
July 17, 2011 More confirmations today of previous post
This afternoon we left our house to go to Miami Beach. In the trip there a car with the license plate 766 TRC came beside my car. Seven for July and 66 for the last book of the Bible book 66 the Book of Revelation.
Nando
Nando (Confirmations of June 9, 10 and 23)below
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