Posts Tagged ‘United States in Bible prophecy’
April 27, 2012 God’s Warning to America “The Harbinger” by Kahn
It is the way of God to warn the people He is to chastise or punish before He does.
In the Harbinger book that is the theme of the book and it covers the attacks of 9/11 on the twin towers of New York and all the events posterior to it. It covers the economic crash that came afterwards and many other subjects.
I have not read the book or seen the DVD”s that are offered in this video link to an interview with the author by Gary Stearman, but it is my intention to read it.
The real question to ask is if God is still warning us of coming chastisement or are the warnings way past the point of no return for the whole Nation USA as a whole and only individual repentance will be possible?
It is my opinion that National repentance is way past the reach for these warnings to count and that only individuals will hear the call and will be saved.
The evidence that the Nation is beyond the point of repentance and avoidance of punishment can be seen in the many things that are occurring daily with no hint of a change of heart on the National level.
This year this Nation will vote to elect its president and the leaders of the government that run the way this country will go. Here we find the most compelling reason for the execution of God’s judgements that are detailed in the Harbinger.
Almost four years ago and exactly seven years after 9/11, this country had an election and elected as president Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. A lot of information had been uncovered by many Christians about who this man was and what he represented. This blog and many others uncovered evidence that showed him to be the future Antichrist ( http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html
and http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part6.html
and many other articles listed on http://www.fivedoves.com/
that leave no doubt on the mind of a person who loves the Lord Jesus Christ of the seriousness of these indictments).
These words of warning were ignored by the grand majority of the people in the USA and by the small circle of Christians who viewed what was happening with intense alarm. Time has past and further evidence has been compiled by more people as to who and what is the course that this man has steered the ship of State and what do we as a Nation do collectively? Nothing!
Our response is to play politics and think that we can solve the problem by ourselves without the help from God. We turn to the opposite party to give us the solution to get rid of him through the electoral means. Who then has this party and the christian people of America chose to give its support to, non other than a man who professes a religion Mormonism that is as atheist of the true God as you can get and discards its support for several good Christians that would have shown Jesus that their hearts was following the path of repentance and turning to Him for guidance and protection. This I believe has sealed the judgment that is coming to America. I believe individuals that turn to Him will be protected so for them is not to late. For the rest they will see judgment and salvation will come if then they turn their hearts to Him Jesus Christ.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2012/donnad427-1.htm
Donna Danna (27 Apr 2012)
“THE HARBINGER PART 2 — JONATHAN KAHN“
In this video, Jonathan Kahn, author of the Harbinger tells us that two of the biggest financial collapses in the U.S. both happened on the 29th day of Elul (the last day of Elul) in a sabbatical year (the 7th yr.) which were also 7 years apart on 9/17/2001 and on 9/29/2008. Both days were Elul 29 on the Jewish calendar. Please listen to this video. Jonathan Kahn tells other interesting facts as well.Here is a chart of the Dow Jones in this article showing the financial losses on 9/17/2001 and 9/29/2008 at http://bespokeinvest.typepad.com/bespoke/2009/09/92908-the-day-sevens-werent-lucky.htmlHere is a Jewish calendar at http://www.hebrewcalendar.net/htdocs/main.en.html where you can convert the days on our Gregorian calendar to the days on the Jewish calendar so if you type in 9/17/2001 or 9/29/2008, you will see that they both take place on Elul 29 which is the last day on the Jewish civil calendar followed by Rosh Hashanah, the 1st day which is called Tishri 1. Jonathan Kahn didn’t mention that both 9/17/2001 and 9/29/2008 fell on Monday.
Nando
As a last thought I am a registered independent voter and I think both parties stink!
Steven King (16 Apr 2011) “”THE SECRET ARCHITECTURE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS” “
Very educational.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2012/stevenk416-1.htm
Steven King (16 Apr 2011)
“”THE SECRET ARCHITECTURE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS” “
Hi Doves,“THE SECRET ARCHITECTURE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS”Keep Looking UP!Our Redemption draws nigh.Maranatha,ybicSteven King
Jesus is coming soon!
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Nando
Jim Bramlett (30 March 2012) “The Washington Post on Obama”
I will top the article of the Washington Post in saying that this man that is holding the job of President is none other than the Antichrist of the book of Revelation.
Regardless of any of the facts he is already in the position of power that he needs to take over the world as the book of Revelation so attests.
How this will play out I do not know, but one thing is certain the rider of the white horse Obama was given a crown and the command to go forth to conquer and be a conqueror. So forget about replacing him through elections although the effort has to be done regardless. It is the responsibility of the church of Christ to oppose evil through non violent and legal avenues.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/jim330.htm
Jim Bramlett (30 March 2012)
“The Washington Post on Obama“
(Do I hear any “amens” out there?)
The Washington Post is the most widely “liberal” circulated newspaper published in Washington, D.C. and oldest extant in the area, founded in 1877.
The Washington Post January 8, 2012
Obama: The Affirmative Action President
by Matt Patterson (columnist – Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)
“Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as
an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria
akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did
a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking
he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful
military, execute the world’s most consequential job?
Imagine a future historian examining Obama’s pre-presidential life: ushered
into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores
along the way; a cushy non-job as a “community organizer”; a brief career as
a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid
of his attention, so often did he vote “present”) ; and finally an unaccomplished
single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to
his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored
no signature legislation as a legislator.
And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating,
America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama’s “spiritual mentor”;
a real life, actual terrorist who served as Obama’s colleague and political sponsor.
It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth
was such a man elected president?”
Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed
the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:
“To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken
hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers
would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore
entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various
American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.
Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass — held to a lower standard — because
of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:
And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so
articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) “non-threatening,” all of which
gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay
the curse of racism to rest?
Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon –
affirmative action . Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating
sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed
primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about
themselves.
Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back.
Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are not qualified, yet take
no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which
follow. Liberals don’t care if these minority students fail; liberals aren’t around to
witness the emotional devastation and deflated self-esteem resulting from the racist
policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist.
Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin –
that’s affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn’t racism, then nothing is. And
that is what America did to Obama.
True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why
would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for
Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good
enough for the U.S. Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois; he was told he
was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All his life,
every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step,
in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What could this breed if not the sort of
empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks?
In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless
raved about Obama’s oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people –
conservatives included — ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks
and speaks in the hoariest of clichés, and that’s when he has his teleprompter in
front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not
one original idea has ever issued from his mouth — it’s all warmed-over Marxism
of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.
And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything
else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. It is
embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so
comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The
man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act
responsibly?
In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament
nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you
understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could
not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.”
Nando
Feb 21, 2012 Socialist Party of America Releases The Names of 70 Democrat Members
The list I received on the e-mail today
Nando
Read and remember their names…
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Socialist Party of America Releases The Names of 70 Democrat Members Of Congress Who Are Members Of Their Caucus
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MA Socialist Party of America Caucus
“This should come as a surprise to absolutely no one. The radical Marxist-progressives (communists) took control of the democrat party some time ago. They’ve only become more emboldened with the election of Barack Obama, who was raised as a communist from birth.
With their new found leader, Barack Obama, the Socialist Party of America felt secure enough to announce the names of 70 democrats in Congress that belong to their caucus.”
MA Members of the Socialist Party of America Caucus are as follows:
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
This admission was recently posted on Scribd.com:
American Socialist Voter–
Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?
A: Seventy
Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?
A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].
Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?
A: See the listing below
Co-Chairs
Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)
Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)
House Members
Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)
Nando
Steven Edel (18 Feb 2012) “United States in Bible Prophesy …”
Yesterday or the day before yesterday Pastor F.M.Riley had an article disputing in very emphatic terms The assumption by Mr. Ron Reese and Mathman that America was Babylon of scriptures at the end times.
Today there is an article that refutes his view in a very convincing way using the Bible to support his argument.
Both positions merit review and scrutiny from readers.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/stevene218.htm
Steven Edel (18 Feb 2012)
“United States in Bible Prophesy …”
United StatesinBible Prophecy
Most Bible prophecy teachers teach that the United States is not in Bible prophecy.
I disagree.
I believe the United States is mentioned specifically, scores of times, and is described in great detail. Before you tell me that I am wrong, first tell me who this nation could possibly be … other than the U.S.!
The words “United States” or “America” are not in scripture. But often buried within scriptural text is a parallel subject revelation or dual fulfillment.
Obvious examples of this double reference are in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28…
In Isaiah 14:4, the text begins with references to the “king of Babylon,” but gradually changes into comments about Satan:
“How you have fallen from heaven” Is 14:12.
The same is true with Ezekiel 28 where verse 11 speaks of the “king of Tyre,” but the following verse moves into specific traits and characteristics of Satan: “you were in the garden of God.”
It’s from these two chapters that many of Satan’s characteristics are revealed, yet we had to dig a little before we could uncover the scriptural jewels buried therein.
“It is the glory of God to conceal a matter…” Prov 25:2
If we are living in the final decades, years or days of the Church Age, the United States, still the #1 power in the world, should logically be in the Bible somewhere. Applying the above principle of “Double Reference,” or “Duel Fulfillment,” there are numerous verses in the Bible that may give us some insight into what ultimately happens to the United States in the future.
Below is a list of the characteristics of an end-time, latter-day nation. I’ll challenge you to find another country, other than the United States, that fully fits this description …
Who Is This Nation?
The Bible calls this unnamed nation, “Babylon,” and sometimes refers to it as the “Daughter of Babylon.” These characteristics of Babylon are taken from verses in Jeremiah 50, 51, Isaiah 18, 47 and Revelation 17, 18. These scriptures record a fascinating description of a nation that has much wisdom, wealth and knowledge, thinks it is secure and invincible, but is suddenly totally destroyed.
Bordered By Many Waters
“O you who dwell by many waters,” Jer 51:13
“The sea has come up over Babylon; She has been engulfed with its tumultuous waves.” Jer 51:42
This is a nation who is bordered by “many waters.” Later you will see that it also imports primarily by ships. It is important to note that Babylon in Iraq has two relatively small ports on only one ocean. In comparison, the U.S. is virtually surrounded by water. It has no less than 15 major ports, on three oceans, 5 Great Lakes and the Mississippi River.
Has a Mother Nation
“Your mother will be greatly ashamed, she who gave you birth will be humiliated. Behold, she will be the (youngest) of the nations” Jer 50:12
This nation has a mother nation . . . like the U.S. has a mother nation – Great Britain. And this nation is the youngest of the world’s superpowers at the end of the Church Age.
Militarily Strong
“How the hammer of the whole earth…has been cut off and broken!” Jeremiah 50:23
He says, “You are My war-club, My weapon of war;” Jer 51:20
This nation is the military hammer of the earth.
Large Importing Nation
“Come to her from the farthest border; open up her barns,” Jer 50:26
“And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargos any more . . .” Rev 18:11
A Wealthy Nation
“…all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth” Rev 18:19
“….such great wealth…” Rev 18:17
This nation is agriculturally abundant, wealthy, has world-wide influence and is a large importing nation via the sea.
An Educated Nation
“A sword against . . . her wise men!” Jer 50:35
This nation is very educated.
Population Diversity
“A sword against… all the foreigners who are in the midst of her,” Jer 50:37
This nation is full of foreigners, legal and/or illegal. The King James Version calls it a “Mingled-People Nation.” The U.S. is about as “mingled” as a nation can get.
Abundant in Natural Resources
“… A sword against her treasures . . .” Jer 50:37b
“Abundant in treasures . . .” Jer 51:13
This nation had been blessed by God.
A Nation Full of Idols
“. . . Her images have been put to shame, her idols have been shattered.” Jer 50:2d
“. . . it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.” Jeremiah 50:38
The nation in question has a lot of “images.”
How would Isaiah describe TV, movies, or the Internet 3000 years ago? And, any way you define “idol,” the United States is full of them.
An idol is anything that you put before God. Money, cars, sex, TV, football, pornography, self, etc., would certainly qualify as “idols.” Amazingly, one of the top TV shows in the United States is named American Idol, and we have a national magazine titled “SELF.” If the shoe fits…
Space Program
“Though Babylon should ascend to the heavens.” Jer 51:53
If that is a reference to this nation taking space shots, it certainly narrows the field of prospective countries that could qualify.
Has Become Arrogant
“. . . For she has become arrogant against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.” Jer 50:29
“Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one,” declares the Lord GOD of hosts, for your day has come, the time when I will punish you.” Jer 50:31
This nation “has become arrogant against the Lord,” indicating that at one time the nation was once humble to the Lord. Not just arrogant against God, but specifically arrogant against Jesus Christ, the “Holy One of Israel.”
Maybe the 50 million deaths of innocent babies via abortion, being the pornography distribution center of the world, and taking God out of the classroom had something to do with it.
Daughter of Babylon
“. . . Against you, O daughter of Babylon.” Jer 50:42c
This nation is also referred to as the “daughter” of Babylon. Not the original Babylon, but another country.
Attacked from the North
“a nation has come up against her out of the north;” Jer 50:3
“For the destroyers will come to her from the north,” Jer 51:48
The nation is attacked from the north. Interestingly, Russia (Gog) is aligned with Iran (Persia) in the Ezekiel 38/39 post-Rapture invasion of Israel. If the U.S. did receive a nuclear attack from Russia, it would come to the United States over the North pole, “from the north.” The U.S. could be the “coastlands” (Ezek 39:6) who also get attacked in the Gog invasion.
Rapture Related?
“At the shout, ‘Babylon has been seized!’ the earth is shaken, and an outcry is heard among the nations.” Jer 50:46
This “shout” might be a reference to the Rapture (I Thess 4:16), indicating it is still a future event. The earth will definitely be shaken at the Rapture.
God Allowed Luxury, Culture and Industry
“The fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them.” Rev 18:14
“And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;” Rev 18:22
“Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of the LORD, intoxicating all the earth. The nations have drunk of her wine;” Jer 51:7
This nation lives in luxury and splendor with many musicians, craftsmen and mills/factories. It is quite an advanced nation, allowed by God Himself.
Worldwide Merchants
“…your merchants were the great men of the earth…” Rev 18:23
This nation reaches the far corners of the earth with her dominating trade.
Happens Without Warning
“Suddenly Babylon has fallen and been broken;” Jeremiah 51:8
“for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!” Revelation 18:17
“these things shall come on you suddenly in one day…” Is 47:9
“…destruction about which you do not know will come on you suddenly.” Isaiah 47:11
“Suddenly” could be another reference to the Rapture or possibly a post-Rapture nuclear attack that takes out this nation. The phrase “in one hour” could also be translated “in a moment.” The Greek word used there, “hora” was translated “moment” in two other places in the Bible. So it too could be a reference to the Rapture.
Has Good and Bad
“For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor at the time it is stamped firm; Yet in a little while the time of harvest will come for her.” Jeremiah 51:33
This nation is compared to a “threshing floor.” It is a nation that for the moment has both good and bad people, but eventually God promises to come get the good (cleansed by Jesus’ blood–at Rapture).
Lots of Whirring
“Alas, oh land of whirring wings…” Is 18:1
This nation has a lot of “whirring” going on. Airplanes, helicopters, and other engines make a whirring sound.
Sends Diplomats Worldwide
“Which sends envoys by the sea, Even in papyrus vessels on the surface of the waters. Go, swift messengers, to a nation tall and smooth, To a people feared far and wide, A powerful and oppressive nation whose land the rivers divide.” Isaiah 18:2
This end-time nation sends diplomats around the world, is considered “tall and smooth,” is known worldwide and has plenty of water due to many rivers dividing the land.
So, for those that insist that Babylon MUST be rebuilt in Iraq to fulfill Bible prophecy, I submit Iraq does not fit the above Scriptures…
- ·Iraq is not bordered on many waters
- ·it is not the world’s military hammer
- ·it is not full of wise men
- ·it is not a mingled people nation
- ·it is not the world’s largest importer
- ·it is not a new/young nation,
- ·it does not have plenty of water
- ·and certainly doesn’t take space shots
This nation, whoever it is, is wiped out in one hour, either by the Rapture or a nuclear attack soon after the Rapture.
Could this be the United States?
With the Church gone, and nothing but liberal non-Believers left, in God’s perfect timing, it sure seems to fit.
But in the meantime, may God bless America …
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/fmriley216-2.htm
F.M. Riley (16 Feb 2012)
“A sincere question“
A Sincere honest Question…….!
By Pastor F. M. Riley
February 15, 2012
“For we are not as many, which corrupt the Word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ,” 2 Corinthians 2:17.
Introduction
Now let’s see if I’ve got this straight…….
BABYLON
The inspired Word of God refers to Babylon and the Babylonian people 391 times in the Old Testament Scriptures as follows:
Babel 2 Times
Babylon 286 “
Babylon’s 8 “
Babylonians 4 “
Babylonish 1 “
Chaldea 7 “
Chaldean 2 “
Chaldeans 67 “
Chaldees 14 “
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391 “
To cover all bases we could
also add the 7 references to the
land of Shinar 7 “
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for a grand total of 398 Times
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Now let’s see how many times the inspired Word of God [Old Testament and New Testament] refers to America and the American people as follows:
America O Times
U. S. O “
United States O “
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For a grand total of O “
Well…??? Hummn! That strange!
Oh yes! Let’s see if I’ve got this straight…….
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18-19.
Yes, I believe I do have this straight! That’s the way these Scriptures read.
Now just as this same type of command was given in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 as the Lord God finished setting forth His Covenant of Law with the nation and people of Israel, so these commands in Revelation 22:18-19 were given as the Lord God finished setting forth His Covenant of Grace with His New Covenant Church. Right? I said, “Right”?
This tells me that I am not supposed to be adding to or taking from God’s Word, neither the Old Covenant Scriptures or the New Covenant Scriptures. Right?
I’m not hearing you! Speak up! Oh well…….
But there is one thing I would like to ask of these “Babylon is America” theorists. I am sure they won’t mind my asking. Right? Well, I’ve got to know so I’ll just ask anyway…….
It is obvious that Babylon and its people really were a historical nation that played a great role in the history of ancient Israel. That fact of history cannot be disputed by anyone willing to deal honestly with God’s Word. Now since numerous prophecies in the inspired Word clearly indicate that Babylon still has a great role to play in end-time Bible prophecy, then just where in the Scriptures, Old Testament or New Testament, is the Scriptural authority given to “change” [Revelation 22:18-19] the word “Babylon” to the word “America” [or U.S. or United States]? I really would like for some of these “America is Babylon” theorists to give us all a straight forward honest answer to this question. I’m not being “hard headed” or “hard nosed.” In fact, I’m not asking for much. Just book, chapter, and verse in God’s Word will do quite well. The last time I checked 1 Thessalonians 5:21 was still in my Bible. Is it in yours?
I’ll be waiting in breathless anticipation for an answer from these fellows, and I will gladly share the answer with those on my email address list. In the meantime, those readers who want to know what the Bible really says about Babylon in the End-time, please feel free to request my series of studies by the same title. They will be sent to any reader upon request.
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Permission is granted to any true believer or Bible believing Christian ministry to reproduce this study to share with others as the Lord leads, or to quote from it in context as written.
Please address all comments, questions, or correspondence to: Pastor F. M. Riley, 184 Country Road 108, Harrisburg, Missouri, 65256 or I can be contacted by email at: fmrglbd5@yahoo.com
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After I posted this article I saw the article below.
I do not see how Iraq can become the Babylon of the end times as claimed by Pastor Riley, even if the Antichrist makes his headquarters there.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/fmriley218.htm
F.M. Riley (18 Feb 2012)
“Babylon is America“
Attached are my studies which will answer every question raised by Barry Amundsen, Stan Freeman, Arlene, Bill Griese, and R. A. Coombes whose articles were posted on Five Doves on 2-17-12. I would have been glad to send these studies directly to each of them, but none of them listed their email address. God bless you.
Pastor F. M. Riley
The New World Trade Center.doc
Nando
Feb 15, 2012 The destruction of the USA on this week as per Jeremiah 51?
In the past few days Mr. Reese has posted several articles about what he is seeing as warnings from those who are planing a NWO New World Order.
The sequence that is shown by him in his other previous articles is a three week series where the sixth time is due Friday the 17 of February, the day after tomorrow.
His articles must be read as a warning for a possible blind attack to the USA. The world is going wild with many enemies bent on the destruction of America, so the case he points out is a valid possibility.
Nando
RED ALERT!!! This is going to be MUCH worse than I thought!!
The post below was written by Mathman, and is a real eye-opener, as to the possible MAGNITUDE OF THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION, COMING UPON THE UNITED STATES. This post is not for the weak at heart.
Ron Reese
Red Alert: This is going to be MUCH worse than I thought!!
I must admit that, up until about two years ago, my view of the Final Seven Years had been incredibly naive. I wasn’t naïve about the last half of the seven years for I KNEW it would be the worst of times. However, I was definitely naïve about the first 3.5 years. In my mind, this is how I thought the first 3.5 years would go:
- Rapture of the True Church AT THE BEGINNING of the Final Seven Years
- Due to the Rapture, those left behind are understandably confused and distraught about the missing
- A supposedly great man of (at least initially) peace would soon arise, who would later be revealed to be the Anti-Christ
- For at least the first year, if not two or three years, after the Rapture, the world would generally carry on as if nothing happened
- Yes, even the memories of the Rapture would begin to fade and life would carry on after a year or so, such is human nature
- Perhaps there would even relative prosperity as the Anti-Christ used this time to build up the world’s loyalty to him
- For those who saw the truth about the Anti-Christ, they would have the Two Witnesses around to confirm that bad times were going to come at some point and to stay true
- Oh sure, the U.S.A. would continue to falter, but in a controlled and slow fashion (or perhaps even remain somewhat strong in order to be used to support the Anti-Christ’s regime)
- As the U.S.A. slowly declined, the European nations would slowly rise in power in order to facilitate the Anti-Christ’s reign and growing influence on world affairs
- Sure, it would be fairly rough on new believers, and there would even be persecution from time-to-time, but it would be gradual, and only TRULY ramping up AFTER the final 3.5 years began
In hindsight, when I now look at the above, I can only shake my head and tell myself that I was utterly and completely WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! (Did I say wrong?)
The only thing that was right about my initial viewpoint was that the Rapture of the True Church will come BEFORE ANY persecution by the Anti-Christ occurs AND BEFORE ANY of God’s wrath begins to make life hell on earth. For we are NOT assigned to wrath!!
So what is my current opinion on just how much time will elapse between the Rapture and all hell breaking out on earth? TRY…
NONE, NIL, ZIPPO, NADA!! (actually, milliseconds to seconds at most)
Yes, Sudden Destruction will come IMMEDIATELY after we are Raptured. Not only that, but we are now only around 8 weeks away from Obama’s crowning as the leader of the world on April 11, 2012 (AND THEREFORE the TERRIBLE 1260 DAYS of Persecution and beheadings that will follow shortly thereafter).
Not only that, but there will also be a lot of further destruction that will occur between the Rapture / Sudden Destruction and April 11, 2012, including most likely the battle of Ezekiel 38 / 39. After all, everything is already in place for this battle. The lines are drawn and the people in their proper places. All we need now is a spark to set the Middle East on fire.
Indeed, we will be Raptured JUST MOMENTS before the first nuclear missile detonates over the first major U.S. city. So exactly how devastating will this Sudden Destruction be for the U.S.A.?
This brings us to the very purpose of this post. That is, to illustrate just how terrible this Sudden Destruction will actually be. INCREDIBLY, after further study and prayer, I have determined that this Sudden Destruction will actually be MUCH worse than any previous scenario I had ever imagined or wrote about in the past!!
In order to illustrate JUST HOW INCREDIBLY BAD the Sudden Destruction will be, I will be leaning HEAVILY on Jeremiah 51. To do this, I will perform the following steps:
- First, I will illustrate why Jeremiah 51 could not be a prophecy for ancient Babylon
- Second, I will illustrate why Jeremiah 51 most likely is a prophecy SPECIFICALLY for the U.S.A.
- Third, I will illustrate how Jeremiah 51 paints a hellish picture of just how INCREDIBLY terrible, wide-ranging and sudden the destruction, that the U.S.A. will soon experience, will be!!
However, before I begin, I must stress that I am NOT the only one who feels strongly that Jeremiah 51 is actually about the future Sudden Destruction of the U.S.A. If you look around the internet on this, you will see that many have written MUCH longer dispositions on why this could very well be the case.
While there are some respected scholars that feel, including Jack Kelley, that Jeremiah 51 describes the destruction of some currently obscure tourist town that is half built in Iraq that will “somehow” become a major city in the very near future, I couldn’t disagree more. This is not only farfetched, but in contrast to the Scripture’s description. An obscure tourist town simply cannot become a renowned city that all nations will make themselves drunk with before the end-times are complete. But even more tellingly, verse 43 specifically references that “her cities” will become desolate. A single obscure city in Iraq cannot possibly have “cities”. The two terms, cities “in” a city, are completely incompatible.
A more practical view is that Jeremiah 51 is most likely referring to the U.S.A. It is the reason why so many others that have TRULY studied these verses in Jeremiah 51 realize that God would have most likely been speaking about the U.S.A. When I am done this article, I am convinced that you will agree.
It is a tragic story, really. At one time, the U.S.A. was the greatest light of Christianity in the world, with a Constitution founded on the very fundamental tenets of the Bible.
Flash forward to today. Madonna has a satanic worship service as the half-time show for Super Bowl and there is no public outrage. Not only that, but a preacher indicates that he and his wife really enjoyed the show. 1000s of babies are murdered in the womb every day and no public outrage. The list could fill a book, but that is NOT the purpose of this post so I will stop now.
Yes, the slope of the U.S.A.’s deterioration has been gradual since the Constitution came into effect. However, recently it has become incredibly steep, most notably since the 60s. And now, the U.S.A. finds itself at the very bottom of the hill. Not only that, but the U.S.A. has now foolishly left the main road and has found a pigsty to wallow in. Due to the sin-filled nature of humanity as it is today (as in the Days of Noah), the U.S.A., as well as the rest of the world, is now at the brink of judgment. The only thing holding judgment back is the Church and we will soon be Raptured.
Thank the Lord ALWAYS, we, His Bride, are not assigned to wrath! We shall soon be Raptured JUST prior to the Sudden Destruction hitting. Yes, JUST before, but, thank the LORD, before nonetheless!! As such, it is more important now then ever that we all obey the following COMMANDMENT from Jesus with all of our hearts, minds and souls:
Luke 21:36: “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
Jeremiah 51: NOT a prophecy for the ancient Babylon
There are MANY reasons contained in Jeremiah 51 that this chapter cannot be speaking of ancient Babylon. However, in order to keep this particular section REALLY brief, I am only going to concentrate on one single verse.
Verse 37 states the following: “And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.”
Ancient Babylon was defeated by the Medes and Persians through CAPTURE and OCCUPATION. Ancient Babylon was never burned to the ground and never became “heaps”. Since ancient Babylon no longer exists, ancient Babylon therefore cannot “become heaps” in the future either. Not only that, but it says ancient Babylon would be “without an inhabitant”. The land that the ancient Babylon occupied is now heavily populated. Heavily populated and without an inhabitant are incompatible terms. As such, this single verse alone proves God is DEFINITELY talking of a nation OTHER than ancient Babylon.
So who is God talking about? This will be dealt with in the next section. Well one thing is for sure. It HAS to be a future nation as no nation has yet become a desolation without an inhabitant.
Jeremiah 51: A prophecy SPECIFICALLY for the U.S.A.?
Jeremiah 51 outlines the following characteristics of the nation that God is referring to in these verses:
- “the nations shall not flow together any more unto him”: This means that MANY nations will be trading with this particular nation up to its destruction. The U.S.A. is, by far, the biggest importer of goods in the entire world. However, there are others that are big importers (China for one), so this only narrows the list down to the bigger importing nations.
- “My people, go ye out of the midst of her”: This nation must contain Jews (and probably also now means Christians as well). The U.S.A. has more Jews than any other nation other than Israel (New York in particular). Again, this only narrows it down to nations with a significant Jewish (and perhaps Christian) population. China now has many Christians, so even they cannot be excluded yet.
- “Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.”: This nation USED to be a golden cup in the Lord’s hand. What nation was founded on the very principles of God? The U.S.A. Including the previous verses listed above, it is becoming clearer that God is most likely talking about the U.S.A. But the subsequent words are particularly telling. This golden cup has since been used for decadence, and more so each and every year. This abuse of Godly “utensils” has happened in the past and, soon after, the “writing was on the wall” for their destruction. Now then, what nation has exported movie trash, pornography, loose living, immoral behavior, the list goes on and on, more than any other country in existence? The U.S.A. Indeed, no other nation has exported more trash than the U.S.A. Just ask any person WITH DISCERNMENT that sat through Madonna’s recent satanic performance at half-time of the world-viewed Super Bowl what they thought of the performance.
- “Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms”: God will use this particular nation’s military to destroy dictatorships and evil empires. Is there ANY other nation on earth that comes close to this description other than the U.S.A.? To me, it appears that only the United States meets this awesome requirement. It certainly discounts the current area that ancient Babylon had existed on, as well as China and Russia!!
- “O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures”: Including Alaska, the United States dwells on the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean AND the Arctic Ocean. It is a HUGE country. While not as rich in oil as the Middle East (which God, in turn, has used to raise enemies of the U.S.A. in the Middle East), the treasures that abound in the United States are renowned. In terms of natural resources and climate, again renowned. While only one country, did you know that the U.S.A. represents almost 1/3rd of the world’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP), wherein GDP is THE primary measurement of relative wealth?
If you can name one other country in existence today that even comes remotely close to meeting the above requirements, other than the U.S.A., I would like to know which one you feel it is. While some nations meet SOME of the above requirements, only the U.S.A. meets each and every one of the above requirements. There is ABSOLUTELY NO STRETCHING required. Indeed, the foot fits the shoe PERFECTLY. Not only that, but no other foot fits the shoe.
Unfortunately, in this particular case, the U.S.A. does NOT want to be Cinderella!!
Jeremiah 51: JUST HOW TERRIBLE??
As outlined above, I can’t see how Jeremiah 51 could be talking about any other nation than modern U.S.A. No other nation, past or present, meets all of the requirements of this EXTREMELY descriptive chapter (or certainly none that I can think of). It can’t be a future nation, such as a revived Roman Empire, because it indicates that the Medes and the north destroy it. It will be God Himself that destroys the final armies of any new nation used to destroy other nations. The mathematical logic of it all is simply overwhelming.
We also know that the only thing keeping One World Government from taking hold is the U.S.A. Indeed, AND in order to fulfill Scripture, the U.S.A. AND the Church have to be taken away AT THE BEGINNING of the “worst of all days”.
In other words, there appears to be overwhelming evidence, both historical, Biblical and current events, pointing to the fact that the U.S.A. must SOON be taken out of the way so that One World Government can arise.
But just “how terrible” will this all be? As indicated at the beginning of this article, I alluded to the fact that the end-times will be MUCH worse for the U.S.A. than I had originally anticipated. Allow me to revisit Jeremiah 51 with you to illustrate just how terrible God indicates it will be.
For the purposes of this article, I have assumed that the method of Sudden Destruction will be from thermo-nuclear warheads. Why? This appears to be the only weapon currently in existence that entails the type of damage outlined in Chapter 51 of Jeremiah:
- “destroying wind”: A “destroying wind” will sweep the U.S.A. The nuclear blast from a 50 to 60 MT weapon would generate shock wave winds ahead of the fire wall of over 600 miles per hour. A “destroying wind” is an amazingly accurate description!!
- “And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land”: The purpose of a fanner is to increase the size and intensity of a fire. Another amazingly accurate description of thermo-nuclear warfare as this is a primary “symptom”. The fire builds upon itself until it becomes a MASSIVE FIRE STORM!! Notice that it says that the fanners “shall empty her land”. This could only mean that the devastation will affect the ENTIRE affected nation. Please note that I had originally anticipated that it would just be a half dozen or so coastal cities!! Jeremiah 51 is telling me otherwise!!
- “for this is the time of the LORD’S vengeance”: Why is God allowing this to happen to the U.S.A.? A quote that has been attributed to Billy Graham says it best: “if God doesn’t deal with the U.S.A. soon, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah”. God is NOT AT ALL pleased with the decadence, sin and drug-crazed society that the U.S.A. has become (and is actually now proud of).
- “prepare the ambushes”: The end will come SWIFTLY and without WARNING! These are the hallmarks of an effective ambush. “Peace and Safety” and THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!! Perfect description, once again, and matches other Scripture perfectly!!
- “will make thee a burnt mountain”: This is the first reference to the destruction being by nuclear fire. The fire is so hot that it turns sand into glass!!
- “thou shalt be desolate for ever…a desolation without an inhabitant”: No other weapon causes a place to be uninhabitable FOREVER other than a nuclear weapon, due to the radiation it causes. This is why the Lord will make all things new again at the end of the end-times. Only then will this land be reclaimed and be reused.
- “The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken. One post shall run to meet another, and one messenger to meet another, to shew the king of Babylon that his city is taken at one end”: Do you notice that the mighty men, the elite, as well the king, President Obama, survive the Nuclear Holocaust, remaining in their holds (most likely the underground Denver Airport city). They must have survived, otherwise how could they hear the message of the Sudden Destruction of the U.S.A. The only way they would have survived is if they would have known it was coming and had taken shelter. The only way to know FOR SURE when something of this magnitude was about to occur is if it was a false flag attack. Notice that it says “THEY” (the mighty men of Babylon = the elites) were the ones that “burned her dwellingplaces”!! If not known in advance, the elite and the President would have been incinerated with everyone else. But no, the elite and President Obama survives!! As promised in his speech, President Obama would have “left the White House in order to spend more time outside of Washington DC with his elite buddies”. This is JUST AS HE PROMISED TO AT THE JANUARY 28, 2012 ALFALFA CLUB MEETING (again, subtle, but direct)!! Not only will President Obama survive, but will soon prosper (for a short time) and become the ruler of the world, the Anti-Christ.
- “the reeds they have burned with fire, and the men of war are affrighted”: Again, reference to destruction by fire. Military men stationed outside of the U.S.A. will understandably be fearful of what is to happen next. The military in other countries will be isolated, without orders and confused. It is lack of leadership that frightens men of war the most. Otherwise, they are hardened and trained to be without fear.
- “And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.”: Again, all signs of destruction by fire. Only dragons find such an environment inviting. Fire hisses. Radioactive contamination means that the U.S.A. will remain uninhabitable. Those who survive the initial blast (and there will be many) won’t survive for long. Sadly, it will be an agonizing death without hope for rescue or comfort in their last hours of life. If they were already saved, they would have been in the Rapture. They better repent and accept Jesus soon as the next life (or death) will be MUCH WORSE!!
- “how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!”: The world will be absolutely shocked that the unsinkable Titanic has completely sunk!!
- “Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby.”: This is cities as in plural. It is not just Washington DC or New York. This is an entire nation. In terms of a desolation and a dry land, a nuclear weapon produces over 2 million degrees of heat for several minutes. At this temperature, water (and everything else for that matter) instantly evaporates and becomes no more. This type of warfare even makes wilderness instantly disappear, completely and without trace. This is yet another perfect description of nuclear warfare as contained in the Bible.
- “My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.”: Is this a hidden Rapture verse? I believe so!! How else will the Lord’s people escape from such an all-encompassing nuclear storm?
- “Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Then the heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, shall sing for Babylon: for the spoilers shall come unto her from the north, saith the LORD.”: These verses indicate that the spoilers come from the north. Other verses in Chapter 51 describe the Medes. The Medes are believed to now be the Kurdish people around Iraq / Iran. The north most likely means Russia as they are north of both the U.S.A. (above Canada) AND Israel.
QUESTIONS: Could the Muslims / Russians be working AS A TEAM with the NWO to bring down the U.S.A.? Could the payoff for the Muslims / Russians be the deliverance of Jerusalem / Israel? Could the Nazi NWO be repeating the same kind of deal that was made in 1939 between Nazi Germany and the Russians for Poland, but this time the U.S.A.? I really don’t know, but it seems a real possibility!!
Side Note: On September 26, 2011, when confronted in the press conference by someone who directly accused him of being the Anti-Christ, Obama replied that he believed that Jesus is Lord. Now let us step back for a second. Satan is the craftiest of all military geniuses. Satan also knows the Bible, probably better than you or me even without the Holy Spirit’s assistance. After all, he has studied it for 1000s of years and probably has his demonic horde reading over our shoulder as we read what others write, including this (unless, of course, the Lord chooses to prevent it). Therefore, is it not possible that the NWO made this deal with the Middle East / Russia knowing full well that God Himself would wipe them out in the Battle of Ezekiel 38 / 39? Would this not be typical Satan, furthering his goals without risking anything he deems necessary for future conquests? Again, I don’t know, but I thought that this was some more food for thought.
- “high gates shall be burned with fire…the folk in the fire…(t)hen shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.”: This hasn’t happened yet, so it must still happen in the future…AND SOON. Once the Sudden Destruction comes, neither man nor beast shall remain. The U.S.A. will be completely and utterly destroyed as a nation, from sea to shining sea. This is scary!! Very scary indeed!!
CONCLUSION
In my previous understanding, I had always thought that our end-times documents sitting in our drawers at home and at work (as they currently are) would be of future use (and they still may be). I believed that, during the first 3.5 years of peace (which we now know will no longer be happening), those left behind would be able to rifle through our stuff and come across our end-times material for direction.
For those living in the United States (and I am guessing that the UK and Canada MAY also come under attack at the same time), I am no longer so sure that there will be any time left AT ALL for those left behind to know better. Or they may be too injured to move!!
PERHAPS if they have heard us speaking on the Rapture / Mark in the past and survive, they will repent and accept Jesus as they take their last breathe. This MAY be the only thing we can count on. As such, we must do the best we can to get whoever we can ON TO THE ARK before its too late (i.e., after the Rapture).
The second best we can do is at least let them know what is coming and hope that they will FINALLY believe before they die. For those that somehow survive and live another day, the third best we can do is to do our best to make sure they know that they mustn’t take the mark of the Beast.
Sadly, we now have perhaps as little as two more days to go (two months at the very most). Regardless, time is rapidly running out.
Fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, if there is ANYONE you have been holding off telling what needs to be told of what is about to come, NOW is the time. While I wouldn’t necessarily mention any specific timelines, I would still stress that they most likely have VERY little time. Jesus saves, not a date!!
I know that the readers on Five Doves have already done WAY more than there fair share, but it is imperative that we make ONE LAST PUSH before it is too late. We don’t even know if we will have the weekend to do it!! Or, for that matter, even if we have the rest of today.
I am VERY sorry to be transmitting such a messenger of dire distress. However, the possibility of Jeremiah 51 being an end-time message for the U.S.A. has just VERY recently come to my attention. To be perfectly honest, I am still HORRIFIED by what I have personally concluded about this awesome chapter of judgment. As for we who are in light and not in darkness…
BE EXCITED, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, OUR REDEMPTION DRAWS EXTREMELY NEAR!! WE ARE NOW THAT MUCH CLOSER WITH EVERY PASSING DAY!!
As always, to God be ALL the glory!!! He is at the door!! Maranatha!!
YbiC, MathMan
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Nando
Harvey Troyer (24 Dec 2011) “Re: “PART 2 POST” A COMMENTARY ON—The Nations of the Dragons of Arabia and their own “Horrible Star”—2 Esdras, Chapter 15(KJV)—Plus Confirmation in Ezek 38, Enoch 56:5-8, and the Jewish Zohar—It all Fits, the Time is Now!”
Please take the time to read this post and meditate on its content. There is a link to a previous post and several articles.
A lot of prophetic information is given. My thanks to Mr. Troyer.
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/harveyt1224.htm
Harvey Troyer (24 Dec 2011)
“Re: “PART 2 POST” A COMMENTARY ON—The Nations of the Dragons of Arabia and their own “Horrible Star”—2 Esdras, Chapter 15(KJV)—Plus Confirmation in Ezek 38, Enoch 56:5-8, and the Jewish Zohar—It all Fits, the Time is Now!“
December 23, 2011
Dear John Tng and all Faithful and Beloved Doves
Subj: Re: “PART 2 POST” A COMMENTARY ON—The Nations of the Dragons of Arabia and their own “Horrible Star”—2 Esdras, Chapter 15(KJV)—Plus Confirmation in Ezek 38, Enoch 56:5-8, and the Jewish Zohar—It all Fits, the Time is Now!
[I want to give you a better URL LINK to Dr. Joseph Dixon’s Commentary on “Libanus”—see below.]
Following is the URL LINK to my article posted December 22, 2011
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/harveyt1222.htm
Please read my COMMENTARY REMARKS on the “Nations of the Dragons of Arabia” and much more. There are some very powerful “linked articles” that are really worth looking at in the context of this mighty revelation of what is about to happen with the Rapture and Sudden Destruction.
[A SPECIAL NOTE FOR "THE EAGLES" OF THIS FORUM. CONCERNING ITEM "2" OF MY COMMENTARY REMARKS ON THE LAND OF LIBANUS, PLEASE TRY CLICKING ON THE FOLLOWING URL LINK TO THIS VERY OLD BOOK BY DR JOSEPH DIXON; AND THEN, WHEN IT COMES UP (FULLY LOADS) SCROLL TO PAGE 9 TITLED: DISSERTATION XIV "THE PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHY OF THE HOLY LAND" SECTION I—(“MOUNTAINS”); AND, START READING ABOUT HIS DECRIPTION OF "LIBANUS". THANKS!]
“FAIR USE FOR INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES”
Maranatha! (Come Quickly Lord Jesus!)
Harvey Troyer (YBIC)
Emmaus Road Ministries
Nando
Oct 14, 2011 A Warning to America and the coming of WWIII
Today I received an e-mail from Michael Wellman that I am posting below. It is a message of destruction and prophetic scripture about America given by A Romanian evangelist Dumitru Duduman and his son Michael.
At present it is being fulfilled as we see the demonstrations in wall street and the communist manifestations that are spreading all over the US as the news indicated last evening.
The story of the calling of Dumitru in Romania and his torture at the hands of the communist is a very powerful testimony of the power of Jesus and the calling of this man to be his witness in America.
The time for the fulfillment of his message is now and it is in the news every day.
Nando
n 1988 a Romanian immigrant by the name of Dumitru Duduman received a vision, that just prior to WWIII America would be in the midst of mass protests and revolution started by the communists (socialists).
Handwriting on the wall “MENE, MENE, TEKEL PERES UPHARSIN“
This is the interpretation of the matter: mina, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; shekel, you have been weighed on the scales and found wanting; half-mina, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.- Daniel 5:25–28
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I get no pleasure out of this study; this is a strongest message of unimaginable Judgment. I initially thought, this would be an easy one to discredit. An immigrant in the eighties could not know the current ground order of battle, but every country he mentions is currently hosting Russian missiles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cHyOcpGc4
Part8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXdkTOS9Xw
Part9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqkF6KGtT8s
Part10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXYU0GfasWo
Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD’S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompense. Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD’S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed. We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God. Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple. Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon. O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. The LORD of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding. Jerimiah 51:7-15
And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 18:1-8
Like these scriptures there is a day coming up that has a common association between Babylon, Wall Street, and The Statue of Liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_29
October 29 539 BC – Cyrus the Great entered the city of Babylon and detained Nabonidus and finish the Babylonian captivity and gave the Jews permission to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple.
October 29 1886 – The first ticker-tape parade takes place in New York City when office workers spontaneously throw ticker tape into the streets as the Statue of Liberty is dedicated.
October 29 1929 – The New York Stock Exchange crashes in what will be called the Crash of ’29 or “Black Tuesday”, ending the Great Bull Market of the 1920s and beginning the Great Depression.
Clashes as Occupy protesters march on Wall Street
14 arrests during skirmishes with police on scooters and horseback
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44900423/ns/us_news-life/#.TphilHKz6uI
Steven Edel (29 July 2011) “The US in Bible Prophesy …”
This is an excellent article that has compiled the major references to the nation of the USA. No other nation fits the careful description given by several of the prophecies in the bible where this nation is implied.
Thank you Steven,
In Jesus Holy name
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2011/stevene729.htm
Steven Edel (29 July 2011)
“The US in Bible Prophesy …“
The United StatesinBible Prophecy
Most Bible prophecy teachers teach that the United States is not in Bible prophecy.
I disagree.
I believe the United States is mentioned specifically, scores of times, and is described in great detail. Before you tell me that I am wrong, first tell me who this nation could possibly be … other than the U.S.!
The words “United States” or “America” are not in scripture. But often buried within scriptural text is a parallel subject revelation or dual fulfillment.
Obvious examples of this double reference are in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28…
In Isaiah 14:4, the text begins with references to the “king of Babylon,” but gradually changes into comments about Satan:
“How you have fallen from heaven” Is 14:12.
The same is true with Ezekiel 28 where verse 11 speaks of the “king of Tyre,” but the following verse moves into specific traits and characteristics of Satan: “you were in the garden of God.”
It’s from these two chapters that many of Satan’s characteristics are revealed, yet we had to dig a little before we could uncover the scriptural jewels buried therein.
“It is the glory of God to conceal a matter…” Prov 25:2
If we are living in the final decades, years or days of the Church Age, the United States, still the #1 power in the world, should logically be in the Bible somewhere. Applying the above principle of “Double Reference,” or “Duel Fulfillment,” there are numerous verses in the Bible that may give us some insight into what ultimately happens to the United States in the future.
Below is a list of the characteristics of an end-time, latter-day nation. I’ll challenge you to find another country, other than the United States, that fully fits this description …
Who Is This Nation?
The Bible calls this unnamed nation, “Babylon,” and sometimes refers to it as the “Daughter of Babylon.” These characteristics of Babylon are taken from verses in Jeremiah 50, 51, Isaiah 18, 47 and Revelation 17, 18. These scriptures record a fascinating description of a nation that has much wisdom, wealth and knowledge, thinks it is secure and invincible, but is suddenly totally destroyed.
Bordered By Many Waters
“O you who dwell by many waters,” Jer 51:13
“The sea has come up over Babylon; She has been engulfed with its tumultuous waves.” Jer 51:42
This is a nation who is bordered by “many waters.” Later you will see that it also imports primarily by ships. It is important to note that Babylon in Iraq has two relatively small ports on only one ocean. In comparison, the U.S. is virtually surrounded by water. It has no less than 15 major ports, on three oceans, 5 Great Lakes and the Mississippi River.
Has a Mother Nation
“Your mother will be greatly ashamed, she who gave you birth will be humiliated. Behold, she will be the (youngest) of the nations” Jer 50:12
This nation has a mother nation . . . like the U.S. has a mother nation – Great Britain. And this nation is the youngest of the world’s superpowers at the end of the Church Age.
Militarily Strong
“How the hammer of the whole earth…has been cut off and broken!” Jeremiah 50:23
He says, “You are My war-club, My weapon of war;” Jer 51:20
This nation is the military hammer of the earth.
Large Importing Nation
“Come to her from the farthest border; open up her barns,” Jer 50:26
“And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargos any more . . .” Rev 18:11
A Wealthy Nation
“…all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth” Rev 18:19
“….such great wealth…” Rev 18:17
This nation is agriculturally abundant, wealthy, has world-wide influence and is a large importing nation via the sea.
An Educated Nation
“A sword against . . . her wise men!” Jer 50:35
This nation is very educated.
Population Diversity
“A sword against… all the foreigners who are in the midst of her,” Jer 50:37
This nation is full of foreigners, legal and/or illegal. The King James Version calls it a “Mingled-People Nation.”
The U.S. is about as “mingled” as a nation can get.
Abundant in Natural Resources
“… A sword against her treasures . . .” Jer 50:37b
“Abundant in treasures . . .” Jer 51:13
This nation had been blessed by God.
A Nation Full of Idols
“. . . Her images have been put to shame, her idols have been shattered.” Jer 50:2d
“. . . it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.” Jeremiah 50:38
The nation in question has a lot of “images.”
How would Isaiah describe TV, movies, or the Internet 3000 years ago? And, any way you define “idol,” the United States is full of them.
An idol is anything that you put before God. Money, cars, sex, TV, football, pornography, self, etc., would certainly qualify as “idols.” Amazingly, one of the top TV shows in the United States is named American Idol, and we have a national magazine titled “SELF.”
If the shoe fits…
Space Program
“Though Babylon should ascend to the heavens.” Jer 51:53
If that is a reference to this nation taking space shots, it certainly narrows the field of prospective countries that could qualify.
Has Become Arrogant
“. . . For she has become arrogant against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.” Jer 50:29
“Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one,” declares the Lord GOD of hosts, for your day has come, the time when I will punish you.” Jer 50:31
This nation “has become arrogant against the Lord,” indicating that at one time the nation was once humble to the Lord. Not just arrogant against God, but specifically arrogant against Jesus Christ, the “Holy One of Israel.”
Maybe the 50 million deaths of innocent babies via abortion, being the pornography distribution center of the world, and taking God out of the classroom had something to do with it.
Daughter of Babylon
“. . . Against you, O daughter of Babylon.” Jer 50:42c
This nation is also referred to as the “daughter” of Babylon. Not the original Babylon, but another country.
Attacked from the North
“a nation has come up against her out of the north;” Jer 50:3
“For the destroyers will come to her from the north,” Jer 51:48
The nation is attacked from the north. Interestingly, Russia (Gog) is aligned with Iran (Persia) in the Ezekiel 38/39 post-Rapture invasion of Israel. If the U.S. did receive a nuclear attack from Russia, it would come to the United States over the North pole, “from the north.” The U.S. could be the “coastlands” (Ezek 39:6) who also get attacked in the Gog invasion.
Rapture Related?
“At the shout, ‘Babylon has been seized!’ the earth is shaken, and an outcry is heard among the nations.” Jer 50:46
This “shout” might be a reference to the Rapture (I Thess 4:16), indicating it is still a future event. The earth will definitely be shaken at the Rapture.
God Allowed Luxury, Culture and Industry
“The fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them.” Rev 18:14
“And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;” Rev 18:22
“Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of the LORD, intoxicating all the earth. The nations have drunk of her wine;” Jer 51:7
This nation lives in luxury and splendor with many musicians, craftsmen and mills/factories. It is quite an advanced nation, allowed by God Himself.
Worldwide Merchants
“…your merchants were the great men of the earth…” Rev 18:23
This nation reaches the far corners of the earth with her dominating trade.
Happens Without Warning
“Suddenly Babylon has fallen and been broken;” Jeremiah 51:8
“for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!” Revelation 18:17
“these things shall come on you suddenly in one day…” Is 47:9
“…destruction about which you do not know will come on you suddenly.” Isaiah 47:11
“Suddenly” could be another reference to the Rapture or possibly a post-Rapture nuclear attack that takes out this nation. The phrase “in one hour” could also be translated “in a moment.” The Greek word used there, “hora” was translated “moment” in two other places in the Bible. So it too could be a reference to the Rapture.
Has Good and Bad
“For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor at the time it is stamped firm; Yet in a little while the time of harvest will come for her.” Jeremiah 51:33
This nation is compared to a “threshing floor.” It is a nation that for the moment has both good and bad people, but eventually God promises to come get the good (cleansed by Jesus’ blood–at the Rapture).
Lots of Whirring
“Alas, oh land of whirring wings…” Is 18:1
This nation has a lot of “whirring” going on. Airplanes, helicopters, and other engines make a whirring sound.
Sends Diplomats Worldwide
“Which sends envoys by the sea, Even in papyrus vessels on the surface of the waters. Go, swift messengers, to a nation tall and smooth, To a people feared far and wide, A powerful and oppressive nation whose land the rivers divide.” Isaiah 18:2
This end-time nation sends diplomats around the world, is considered “tall and smooth,” is known worldwide and has plenty of water due to many rivers dividing the land.
So, for those that insist that Babylon MUST be rebuilt in Iraq to fulfill Bible prophecy, I submit Iraq does not fit the above Scriptures…
- ·Iraq is not bordered on many waters
- ·it is not the world’s military hammer
- ·it is not full of wise men
- ·it is not a mingled people nation
- ·it is not the world’s largest importer
- ·it is not a new/young nation,
- ·t does not have plenty of water
- ·and certainly doesn’t take space shots
This nation, whoever it is, is wiped out in one hour, either by the Rapture or a nuclear attack soon after the Rapture.
Could this be the United States?
With the Church gone, and nothing but liberal non-believers left, in God’s perfect timing, it sure seems to fit.
But in the meantime, may God bless America …
Steven Edel
Palm Harbor, FLA
Nando
