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Peggy McIlveene (7 Feb 2009) “TO Jovial – More evidence for pre-Trib Rapture???”

Today this article about the rapture, a discussion between Peggy and Jovial was copied from the site.  Make sure you click the link with rapture??? at the end.

Peggy McIlveene (7 Feb 2009)
TO Jovial – More evidence for pre-Trib Rapture???

TO Jovial – “Rapture, selfishness and “even so , come quickly””

Jovial said:

The verse “even so, come quickly” does not actually support rapture obsession.  It’s saying “come” , not “catch us away”, thus its a plea for Him to set up His kingdom on earth.  This would be another verse that would support what I said earlier about how we should have more desire for the second coming than the rapture, because the Scriptures discuss the second coming a lot (as in this verse), and the rapture very sparingly.  A pre-trib rapture would not be Yeshua “coming”, but “getting” and us “coming” to heaven.  In the rapture, He doesn’t “come”, he stays in heaven and just brings us up to Him.

I think there is a real problem when we read verses about the second coming and think “rapture” instead, because again, it shows that our focus is on the effect on US and getting out of here, not on OTHERS and the kingdom coming to THEM.  So the verse, “even so, come quickly” is yet another verse that I think shows that our hearts desire should be far closer to seeing the kingdom come to earth than us being taken out of the earth.

Shalom, Joe

Peggy said:

What is your point here, bro?  That doesn’t take away from the fact that we will still see two “appearances”, if you prefer that word instead of “coming”.  There IS a pre-Trib Rapture, as well as His PHYSICAL 2nd Coming, regardless.  I’ve given Scripture after Scripture after Scripture to support it.

And I think there is a real problem when we read verses about the Rapture and think “second coming” instead.

Something good DID come from this discussion, though… I wrote an article especially for you, Joe:

A Pre-Trib Rapture???

Enjoy, brother!

Love from your sister in Yahshua!


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February 7, 2009 at 9:56 pm