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Another article about the parable of the ten virgins.

This article by Barry Amundsen deals with the parable of the ten virgins also. I found it very good. I just finished reading it and want to post it. good job Barry, although the warning and admonition is very strong you are not offensive in my opinion, but for the motives of  Lewis Brackett only the Lord knows. Again the subject of salvation is brought out and my opinion is that those who are true believers are saved for all eternity.

I am not sure that those that are spewed out are unsaved or just are rejected at the Rapture and are saved during the Apocalypse. In His seven letters to the churches is Jesus referring to non believers in these churches or fleshly backsliding believers? It seems to me from the text that they are believers, but of the Corinthian type.

Any way the Lord is the judge and He knows all of His flock.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2010/barrya430.htm

Barry Amundsen (30 Apr 2010)
“Re: Lewis Brackett “Why the 10 virgins are not the church””


Lewis from his blog that he linked to at the Doves:
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If the ten virgins were the church, the parable clearly teaches that if you are not continiously on fire for GOD you are not saved—that you can loose your salvation,,, or that if you are backslidden when the rapture happens you will be left behind to endure part or all the tribulation….

this an error in theology….. scripture says “””we ALL”” will be raptured who have had a salvation experiance……

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Okay Lewis, if the 10 virgins are not the church because half get left out does that mean that the church at Laodicea is not the church for the same reason?
Revelation 3:
14.  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15.  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16.  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Maybe someone should tell Jesus that He is not allowed to spew the church out of His mouth. Or else someone should tell Him that Laodicea cannot really be the church and to stop calling them that because He spews them out. Or if it is the church and Jesus can spew them out maybe He doesn’t actually vomit them but just burps a little because of them and then gets on with handing out rewards and shaming the burpees as Lewis goes on to suggest that what really happens is we all go but some are shamed at the arrival point.
I shall never cease to be amazed at the lengths some will go to, to undo scriptures and make them void in order to preserve a doctrine that more suits their comfort zone. The gospel is comforting only to those who receive it but to those who reject it, it is indeed very uncomfortable to understand and contemplate the consequences. So they seek to reinterpret the plain meaning to their own hurt.
More from Lewis B:
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Matthew Mark, Luke John is to the Jew —much more than to the church….. Jesus was the minister/apostle to the Jew. only after his death were his followers told to go to the gentiles…….

Matthew 24 is written to tribulation era Israel after the rapture of the church…… talking to the JEW …….looking forward to the 2nd coming…….
its about dispensationism

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This hardly merits a response but you posted on the Doves with this position and therefore it should be addressed.
You’re joking, right? So we as the church can just toss aside the four gospels as “mostly” being to the Jews and not to us. I have heard that same argument stamped onto the book of Hebrews for much the same reason. Because it is uncomfortable to any who would not follow its teachings so it is much more convenient to just say it does not apply to the church. Whew! Sure glad about that, now we can just go on with our own way and not be troubled with those pesky people who are so foolish that they actually think the Bible applies to them. They should have listened to my pastor who went to seminary and everything!”

2 Timothy 3
1.  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3.  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4.  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5.  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6.  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7.  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8.  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9.  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
[I wonder when that will happen: Maybe at the rapture?]

10.  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11.  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12.  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13.  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16.  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17.  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
If any portion of the scripture did not apply to us then Paul sure got it wrong there, huh? Paul says it is all profitable for doctrine but you say that some is not profitable. I think I will trust Paul especially in the context where he is telling of what kind of deceivers to be aware of for the last days before Christ comes to get us. He is warning about those within the church not from some external place coming against the word as he compares them to those from within the camp who withstood Moses. Notice the verse number:
13.  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
I shared about what Howard Pittman said once before but will do it again here. He said that many have rejected the gospel but don’t even know that they have rejected it. Because bad teachers have told them a false gospel that lets them receive Christ yet hold onto their own lives as well. It is in his “Placebo” article.
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At the outset, I stated that I would not try to convince anyone of anything I said. However, I would like to offer as evidence the parable of the sower as told by Jesus in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Matthew. If you read this chapter closely, you will notice that three out of every four people who heard the gospel preached, turned it down. That is seventy–five percent anyway you look at it. I am talking about three out of every four people who bothered to hear the gospel, turned it down! The sad part about this is the overwhelming majority of the people that did turn the gospel down, do not know that they have turned it down! They have bought a lie of satan and have been deceived. They have been led to believe something that is not the truth and they been fooled by satan into rejecting the gospel! Place the seventy–five percent who turned down the gospel with those in the world who made no pretense of hearing the truth and you have the overwhelming ninety seven and one-half percent of the population today!

As I contemplate this fact. I now understand the Lord’s disgust with the Laodicean–type Church. I also clearly understand the verses of scripture in Matthew 7:22-23 that describes how many people will stand before the Throne at the Judgment pleading. “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy Name? And in thy Name cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?” only to have the Lord process to them, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity…”

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I know that this will not be popular and could stir up the old arguments but we are so close now that it probably will be shown who is right about this soon enough and therefore it bears repeating these warnings maybe some will heed this and get right in time and then it is worth it to deal with the negativity that will surely come too. At any rate, if you post your view here be prepared for mine too. Fair enough?

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May 1, 2010 at 3:31 am

April 30, 2010 Confirmation of my post about the ten virgins

After finishing my article on the ten virgins I told my wife to go eat out at a restaurant close to our home that has good cuban dishes at very reasonable prices. A few blocks from our house on the first traffic light that we stopped there was a van with the license plate 777 JKK. It was a good confirmation from Jesus that the article was pleasing to Him. Thank you Lord for letting me know so fast. He is also telling me that HE IS IN CONTROL and that my fears were noted.

Love you Jesus and you believers

Nando

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May 1, 2010 at 2:27 am