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Feb 26, 2011 Old name of modern day Islamic nations around Israel

The student of Bible prophecy may be hampered by the fact that the prophecies list the names of nations at the time the prophecies were written thousands of years ago. The list on this post can be of help in interpreting them.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/carolg226.htm

Carol Garza (26 Feb 2011)
To Mercer: 2011-Meltdown


Thanks Mercer !  Great post.  It has been on the back of my mind for a few days to do a study on Egypt also !!!!  I have written down many of the O.T.countries as well  and how they are all Muslim nations !
All the countries in the Bible against Israel are Islamic
Edom, Edomites  =  South Jordan
Ammon, Ammonites = North Jordan
Moab, Moabites = East Jordan
Hagarites, Ishmaelites = Egypt  / Saudi Arabia
Gebalites, Tyre = Lebanon
Assyria = Iraq, Syria and parts of Jordan today
Babylon = Iraq
Asia Minor = Turkey and Southern Russia
Medo(-Persia) = Northwestern part of Iran = Iran
Persia = Southern part of Iran = Iran
Grecian Empire = Assyria (Iraq, Syria, Jordan & Turkey)

Mercer (25 Feb 2011) “2011 was always a planned melt down”

The article shown here is a good example of the things that are prophesied and mentioned in the post before this by Frida Ghitis.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/mercer225-2.htm

Mercer (25 Feb 2011)
2011 was always a planned melt down


It is now abundantly clear to me that Obama is merely a tool doing the bidding of some higher puppet master. And it  is horrifying for me to see most of America blind to the destruction that is coming. None of you know me. I have 0ne close friend who reads Doves…….Hi Margie!! … So take what I write at face value and believe or  not.
  • First thing I’d like to share is to those who have given us dates that have come and gone. Frustrating I know…….but it is because you have us in the tribulation already and we are not in it. I know hard to believe with all that is going on..I  have spent literally, countless hours studying every position on the rapture and poured over the book of Revelation. I have it on audio and listen to it everyday. And I pick up some new nuggets  each time. Christ takes the Church first before any tribulation starts.
  • Dreams. They mean the most to the person who had them. Often when I read those posted I think….well, OK but I think I’ll trust God’s Word first. I have had only 2 dreams and I did post them. Not much of a response from the doves.
  • I am constantly inputting the events that are happening and applying them to the end times
    • The Mid East has exploded. There is no turning back. The Psalm 83 war is building to a climax
    • The Mid West (Wisconsin) is the start of the final fall of America. Does anyone see a solution without violence?
    • The world wide weather. Is man made manipulation? HAARP? God’s hand? Or is it God using both? I think so.
    • Earthquakes. Volcanoes, Solar Flares, animals dying……….this is not normal
  • The Occult…Illuminati….Bloodline of the Antichrist. This is more real and active than most would want to admit or realize.
  • We must go back to the Bible for our clues and answers. Pray for inspiration and discernment as we try and piece together what is going on. IT SHOULD NOW BE OBVIOUS TO ALL……THE TIME HAS COME FOR JESUS TO TAKE BACK HIS CREATION……..THERE IS NO WAY THE WORLD IS GOING TO CALM DOWN UNTIL THE ANTICHRIST BRINGS FALSE PEACE.

Today I started a study on Egypt. And those that “came out of Egypt” I believe all of History is in Genesis. I believe Genesis 13-14, Where Abram has to go save lot after the first battle in the Bible mirrors Psalm 83 war. That’s what I’m working on now. Might be a day or two. He “came out of Egypt” and settled in Bethel before this battle.

In the first war, the Palestinian refugees, who are the “tents of Edom”, (Psalm 83:6) will form a confederacy with Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria against Israel. The devastation of this war on both sides, including the complete destruction of Damascus (Isaiah 17), leads to the conclusion that Israel’s existence will be threatened to the point that they will have no choice but to unleash what they call the “Samson Option”; taking down their enemies with massive retaliation in the form of nuclear warfare. The following scriptures describing this “Great Middle East War”:

Psalm 83 · Isaiah 17 · Jeremiah 47-49 · Ezekiel 35-36 · Joel 1:13-20 · Amos 1-2 · Obadiah · Zephaniah 2 · Zechariah 9-11

Great Middle East War

Before looking at the second war, a note must be made about two countries not directly mentioned in either war; Iraq and Egypt. If the fulfillment of these coming wars is in the near future, we can see that Iraq will not be in either war as it has been neutralized as a threat by the United States. As for Egypt, currently Israel and Egypt have a nearly three decade long peace agreement that could possibly hold through the conflicts. However, there are several prophecies in the Old Testament of judgment against Egypt that have not been fulfilled yet. It is possible that these prophecies are either fulfilled during the Great Tribulation, or in one of these two other wars as a result of collateral damage, as they are not listed as being a member of either confederation.

Mercer
Please see the article linked below for a more in depth look at the peoples involved in the Psalm 83 war written by Bill Saulus

http://prophecynewsstand.blogspot.com/2011/02/is-egypt-in-psalm-83.html

Wednesday, February 9, 2011

Is Egypt in Psalm 83?

Feb 25, 2011 Comments on Who’s script in the Middle East? By FRIDA GHITIS

What will be the outcome of all the upheaval that is happening in most of the Arab nations around the middle East.

If you had to analyze the situation from a political point of view the analysis in the column by Frida Ghitis is very good.

Unfortunately we are living on the end of the age as described in the Bible and therefore we must look at all the prophecies written thousands of years ago about these nations and their antagonism against Israel.

Please refer to this blog’s articles concerning these prophecies and compare them what Ms Ghitis wrote.

Nando

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/24/2084046/whos-script-in-the-middle-east.html

MIDDLE EAST

Who’s script in the Middle East?

By FRIDA GHITIS

fjghitis@gmail.com

If we could write the script for the events unfolding in the Middle East, peaceful demonstrators would overwhelm the dictators, who would quickly agree to democratic transitions without bloodshed.

The newly liberated countries would proclaim, with universal approval, a future of tolerance, peace and friendship at home, among people of different tribes, religions and beliefs, at home as well as abroad, with all their neighbors. Extremists of all stripes would recognize the error of their ways; militants would lay down their arms, and all would join the march to freedom.

A newly democratized Middle East, soaked to its core with the inebriating juices of victorious non-violence, would become a zone of peace and prosperity. All disputes would end with friendly negotiations. Sunnis and Shiites, Israelis and Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, Arabs and Kurds, all would swiftly disentangle their disagreements.

In this imaginary script, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas would pick up the phone and call Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “It’s time to make a deal,” he would say, agreeing at last to return to peace talks. “I was expecting your call,” Netanyahu, would reply, as both leaders, grasping the significance of the moment, embraced the promising new future.

Understanding Abbas’ worry that his people too might demand an end to his rule, and knowing he had refused to talk to Israel unless all settlement construction stopped, Netanyahu would tell him he was ready to confront his coalition on settlements. Both leaders would find strong reasons pushing them towards an agreement.

Abbas, seeing other Arab regimes under pressure, would decide he urgently needed to show his people a major accomplishment. He would also see that the people of Egypt, Tunisia, and other Arab countries, now busy rebuilding, had little time to worry about the problems of Palestinians. Netanyahu, in a transformed Middle East, would position Israel at the forefront of the new peaceful and tolerant Arab century, clasping extended hands from the neighbors, and freeing up Israeli brigades in case any of those neighbors’ hands suddenly turned to fists.

Watching the fast-moving agreement, Hamas, the Islamist rulers of Gaza, would announce they had given up their wish to destroy Israel.

By then, of course, the people of Iran would have also broken their chains. Without support from the regimes in Syria and Iran, and with democracy flourishing, Hamas’ extremism would have started wilting. In a newly tranquil Lebanon, Hezbollah, too, would have turned into a normal political party, not a paramilitary organization stoked by anti-Jewish venom.

The rosy scenes come to mind looking at other promising revolutions. In 1917, not long after the people toppled the czar in Russia, Theodore Roosevelt sent a note offering his congratulations “to the men who have led the Russian people in this great movement of democratic freedom.” It was not to be.

In 1989, however, victory over tyranny did bring freedom, peace and prosperity to Eastern Europe.

We fervently hope that, at the very least, important elements of the idealized script will come true. But already much has not.

The comically-flamboyant, but very seriously brutal Moammar Gadhafi has slapped awake anyone who was still dreaming, caring nothing about shedding “rivers of blood” from his own people.

Rockets have started raining into Israel from Gaza. Peace seems no closer with Palestinians, and the peace that existed across the Israel-Egypt border seems less secure.

There is no sign of the Abbas-Netanyahu conversation. Instead of agreeing to talk, Palestinians now turn to the United Nations to isolate Israel. And there is no sign that changes in the neighborhood are easing Israeli nervousness or slowing settlement construction. Instead, the instability around them is causing more worries among Israelis. Netanyahu maintains his call for face-to-face talks with Palestinians, but positions on both sides, stagnated since before the uprising started, seem locked in place.

The inspiring people at the forefront of this revolution hope for a scenario of democracy, peace and coexistence. But not all their elders share their views. One of the most prominent clerics in the Muslim world, the Egyptian Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who has given religious approval to murdering Israeli children, returned to Cairo and spoke to massive crowds, urging them to “conquer” Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem — not through negotiations. While protest organizers want efforts focused on building a new Egypt, some, including respected reformers, already vow to reconsider peace with Israel.

Those who would write a script of freedom and peace are working to make their idealistic narrative come true, but many others are already following an entirely different storyline, hoping for a sharply different ending.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/24/2084046/whos-script-in-the-middle-east.html#ixzz1EzCXh5I5

Written by twelvebooks

February 25, 2011 at 11:00 am

Josua(24 Feb 2011) “Arab World Flag Colors = 4 horsemen Colors”

Until I read the article below I had not realized that the colors depicted on the four horses of the Apocalypse have the colors found in the Islamic flag of the Arab countries.

It could very well be that Jesus was pointing to this fact when He chose the colors of the horses.

My interpretation  before reading this is that the white represented the false Christ or the Antichrist and that the red was the red communist nations or USSR of old. Never saw the interpretation given here before.

Very good observation.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/josua224-1.htm

Josua(24 Feb 2011)
Arab World Flag Colors = 4 horsemen Colors


Dear Doves

isn’t it interesting that the flag colors of the Arab Countries are
White, Red, Black and Green? (The color of the fourth horsemen is
chloros (greek), which can be translated as pale but also as some kind
of green).

YBIC, Josua

Nando

Written by twelvebooks

February 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm

Phil (23 Feb 2011) “Christchurch 6.3 quake on 22/2/2011”

More interesting facts about the earthquake.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/phil223-2.htm

Phil (23 Feb 2011)
Christchurch 6.3 quake on 22/2/2011


John and Doves,
As we saw earlier the quake took place on 22/2/2011 and this was day #53. 5+3 = 8.
On the Christchurch Earthquake Map here http://www.christchurchquakemap.co.nz/week they have 53 quakes recorded for 22/2/2011. Astonishing! It may change as it has done so before and more quakes added but even so it is amazing as it stands. What are the odds that on day #53 they would record 53 quakes??? Both of course add to 8, the Biblical number for Resurrection or New Beginning.
Anyway, the number of quakes recorded for the WEEK is 111 or 37 x 3. This includes 19 for Wed 23rd, the day after the 53 so that IS JUST coincidence!
111 – 53 = 58 or 29 x 2 for the remainder of the week. In a short time it will be different figures for the week.
Just looking at the numbers.
Keep looking up,
Phil.

Written by twelvebooks

February 23, 2011 at 11:59 am

Jim Goodrick (23 Feb 2011) “Andrew Strom: Interesting commentary on Christchurch NZ Quake”

The article below is a sad commentary of the state of the Church in the devastated city.

The people of this city gave no glory to God for having miraculously saved the city from no fatalities when the first quake hit several months ago. This time God’s hand did not prevent casualties. It seems that if the believers seem intent in ignoring the one who protects them they can not expect that God will act supernaturally to protect them.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/jimg223-3.htm

Jim Goodrick (23 Feb 2011)
Andrew Strom: Interesting commentary on Christchurch NZ Quake



AWFUL SHAKING in CHRISTCHURCH
-by Andrew Strom.

It was with terrible sadness that I learned yesterday of another huge
earthquake hitting the New Zealand city of Christchurch. It has only
been 2 months since we left that city and we have many dear
friends there. The first earthquake last year had no fatalities but
this one looks to have many dead and injured.

I want to share a few things about our time in Christchurch that left
me quite disturbed and concerned when we left. But I want to be
sensitive because of the terrible sadness associated with this new quake.

As some of you know, one of the main things that I hoped to do
in Christchurch after the first quake was to organize a large open
worship event in the city – to praise and glorify God that nobody
had been killed even in a huge 7.1 earthquake. I found that no such
event was being planned, but there were thousands of evangelical
Christians in Christchurch, and I felt very strongly that it was
important for us to publicly glorify God for the miracle of surviving
such a disaster with no-one killed. The place was traumatized and
it was obvious that a sensitive Worship event would do much good –
and even many non-Christians would likely attend. But sadly it was
not to be. And this is the disturbing part.

I have organized large events before, so the Christian Radio network
knows me – and quickly agreed to promote the event for free. The
PA sound people also agreed to supply excellent sound for a very
low cost. And the Christchurch City Council couldn’t have been
more helpful. Everything was looking good. But then we ran up
against the Christian leaders.

One of the main “networking” Pentecostal leaders in the city told
me that we could count him OUT of any support for the event. Then
I spoke personally with the Dean of Christchurch Cathedral who
told me that we could NOT use the main Square in Christchurch
for a worship event for the whole Body. (Today this man’s Cathedral
lies in ruins. It had survived the first quake, but it did not survive
this new one).

I called a number of prominent pastors and worship bands around
Christchurch. I said we had the support of Radio, the Council, the
sound and everything. No response. Worship bands not interested.
Pastors not returning calls. (You might think they were busy after
the quake – but remember no-one died and Christchurch was up
and running pretty fully after only a couple of weeks). I simply
couldn’t understand it. The evangelicals of Christchurch had made
no public acknowledgement of God at all – no public worship for
this miraculous escape – no public glorifying of Jesus. Even the
secular News and the politicians were calling it a “miracle”. People
were traumatized everywhere. Wasn’t it a “no-brainer” that we
should be doing such a thing? Doesn’t God deserve public praise
after protecting so many people from harm?

In fact, it was such a no-brainer that the secular people themselves
decided to do something. A number of the top bands and musicians
from New Zealand came down and gave a free concert in the park
for the traumatized city. It was heavily advertised on Radio – and
20,000 people showed up. Of course it was a secular event – not
Christian. The Pentecostals, Charismatics and Evangelicals of
Christchurch had made virtually no public sound at all.

I felt strongly that I could not push things any further without some
basic support from the church. We managed to hold a couple of
outdoor concerts for the homeless, and got involved with distributing
“care packages” and things, but I was so disappointed. In fact I was
more than disappointed – I was alarmed and deeply disturbed. I even
told some friends that it was “dangerous” to offer no public praise
after God has just so obviously saved your city. I felt so strongly
about it – and deeply saddened for the state of the Body of Christ.
But I could do nothing more.

On December 17, 2010, my family departed from Christchurch. On
December 28th we boarded a plane for Australia. I believe it may
be some time before we ever return.

My heart truly goes out to the people of Christchurch – and to all
the world so poorly served by the church of our day. This was truly
one of the worst “lost opportunities” that I have ever witnessed in
all my years with the church. And Christchurch was truly one of
the most beautiful cites I have ever seen. The people are so dear
to us. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, my friends. May
God bless and protect you all in these dark times.

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http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/

Yours with great sadness,

Andrew Strom.


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February 23, 2011 at 11:51 am

Phil (22 Feb 2011) “Mubarak to Christchurch”

The post found below is very good and it is the analysis of the dates that are significant from a prophecy point of view. Make sure you follow the link to see all the earthquakes that have occurred since the last seven days in this area.

The day that it happened over there was 2/22/11, numbers that have occult significance also.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2011/phil222.htm

Phil (22 Feb 2011)
Mubarak to Christchurch


John and Doves,
We have all just heard that Christchurch has just suffered a large 6.3M quake with many deaths and lots of damage.
A second major earthquake in the town named CHRISTCHURCH. We should pay attention now!
Because the depth of the quake was only 4km it has caused much more damage than the 7.1 did in Sept, 2010.
The 7.1 was at 11km depth, nearly 3 times deeper.
My prayers go out to all those who have lost loved ones and friends as well as those who are injured.
Go here http://www.christchurchquakemap.co.nz/ to see the 34 quakes recorded today so far. Many of them are over 4.0M
including a 5.0, 5.7 and a 5.9.
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These are merely my observations concerning this event.
Mubarak stepped down on 11/02/2011 creating Egypt’s own “earthquake”.
Christchurch 6.3 quake 22/02/2011 just 11 days later.
We saw that the date for Mubarak’s resignation, 11022011/11 = 1002001 giving us the 911 year both forwards and backwards.
Now we see that the date for the 6.3 quake, 22022011/11 = 2002001 still gives us the year for 911 forwards but the next year,
2002, backwards.
Christchurch 7.1 first quake was on 4/9/2010.
From the first big quake to today’s 6.3 quake is 171 days or 5 months and 18 days.
Today’s date is day #53 which is prime #17.
There are 312 remaining days in the year.
312? Where did we see that number recently? In connection with Oprah and her new network show, OWN.
Looking at “OWN” in the English gematria (based on increments of 6) it works out to be 312. 312 of course is 123 in another form
like a count up so to speak.
But 312 is also (8+8+8) x 13. Unbelievable! Triple 8 combined with 13 representing sin or rebellion.
Or, 312 = (13+13+13) x 8. Whoa!
So there are (13+13+13) x 8 days remaining in the year after today.
The Pike River Mine explosion in New Zealand was on 19/11/2010.
From 19/11/2010 to today, 22/02/2011 is 95 days or 3 months and 3 days forming a 33.
There will be earthquakes in diverse places.
Keep looking up,
Phil.