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April 19, 2011 A novel with Obama the Antichrist Soros the False Prophet

Ted Porter has been writing a novel about the Antichrist being Obama and in these two articles he continues with the narrative. It is late today and I will post both and reread them tomorrow.

When I opened my blog statistics at this time of the day today I had 666 views for the day. A few minutes latter I was reading these two articles by Ted Porter. Was that a coincidence, I think not!

After reading this morning more of the novel, I want to tell the readers that there are several parts in this novel that I am in complete disagreement with his view.

I do not think that Napoleon or Hitler were the horses of Revelation or that the book of Revelation started years back, I think the false prophet is a religious leader and not Mr. Soros.

I think Mr. Porter takes a very unconventional interpretation of scripture and that his eschatology is wrong.

I believe that he is correct in the identification of Obama as the Beast of Revelation, and there is no doubt that M.r Soros money was one of the main reasons that Obama came and remains in power.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/tedp416.htm

Ted Porter (16 Apr 2011)
“April 17, 2011 – The World May Never Be the Same”


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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

What would you say if I told you that Abib 13 on the Hebrew calendar was the day satan entered Judas Iscariot?

 

And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.  Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.  And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.  And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.  And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.  Luke 22:2-6

 

Understandably so, Abib 13, also called Nisan 13, is the day most expected for the fulfillment of Revelation 12:9 when satan will be thrown to earth and enter into the body of the fourth horseman of Revelation.

 

What would you then say if I told you that April 17, 2011 is Abib 13? 

 

What if I also told you that on March 28, 2011, a “mysterious cosmic blast in the constellation Draco” the dragon occurred “so unlike is it to anything ever observed before”?

 

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Cosmic-Fireworks-Erupt-When-Black-Hole-in-Dragons-Belly-Swallows-Star-72239.html?wlc=1302722521&wlc=1302747180

 

Now counting March 28th through April 17th, there are 21 days.  In the book of Daniel it is recorded that it took an Angel sent from God the same number of days, 21, to reach Daniel, (having to contend with the prince of the kingdom of Persia).

 

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.  Daniel 10:13

 

Note that the term “prince” is used here as a term for an angel, specifically a fallen angel, a follower of the great dragon.

 

What if I now told you that a “prince” of a country from the fallen Roman Empire, will apparently turn 30 prophetic years of age on April 17, 2011?  Will satan, being thrown from heaven, descend in bodily form like a frog and possess him on this date?

 

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:13

 

Now how one calculates prophetic years of true age is hidden from many, so many will be in the dark.  However, this prince is the prime candidate for taking the role of dragon on earth.  While he goes by “prince” he does not go by a last name.  However, his lineage’s last name is pendragon which is Welsh for “head dragon”.

 

Remember, Jesus was around 30 when he entered His ministry, when the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him and became one with Him.

 

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.  And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,  Luke 3:22-23

 

What if I finished by showing you that this same “prince” unmistakably revealed himself to his brethren exactly half of a prophetic year before April 17, 2011?  The date this “prince” chose to do this was in mimicry of Joseph who revealed himself to his brothers in Egypt, 2 years into the 7 year famine.

 

And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.  Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.  For these two years hath the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest.  Genesis 45:4-6

 

This dragon however does not come to preserve life but to extinguish it.  This person as the dragon will indeed be the last of the four horsemen to ride,

 

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.   Revelation 6:8

 

But let us start at the beginning.  Revelation reveals there will be an unholy trinity at the end of this age.  Revelation 13 describes them as the dragon, the beast of the sea, and the beast of the land.  Revelation 12:9 reveals that the dragon also goes by three other names, the serpent, the devil, and satan.

 

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

Revelation 16, 19, and 20 reveal that one of the beasts is “THE beast”, while the other beast is, “the false prophet”.

 

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:13

 

Notice that all three are possessed with unclean spirits.  These are alien spirits, these are aliens that also inhabit another dimension like a galaxy far, far, away.  So, in a real sense, we have aliens possessing the bodies of three people that form the unholy trinity.  While some have pictured aliens as green reptiles, we have them pictured in Revelation as frogs, although many frogs are green.  And technically, frogs are amphibians, not reptiles.  But who’s counting.  Don’t forget that another acceptable translation of the word “pale” in Revelation 6:8 talking about the fourth horseman, is “green”.

 

Let’s now examine the four horsemen who will ride and each in turn try to control the Roman Empire under their leadership.  These horsemen ride during the time of the end of this age as represented by the iron and clay of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.  The first one to ride was Napoleon.  Napoleon was of minor Roman (Italian) royalty who became the ruler of France and proceeded to try to conquer the former Roman Empire.  The second horseman to ride was Hitler.  Hitler was Austrian who became ruler of Germany and proceeded to try to conquer the former Roman Empire.

 

Imagine if I told you that the third horseman was one of the unholy trinity, specifically the beast.  Imagine if I then told you he would be revealed when he confirmed a covenant with many for one week to become ruler of a country made up of many people from the former Roman Empire.  Imagine if I told you that he would confirm his commitment to this covenant exactly one week before many people would need to return this confirmation by voting him into office to become ruler of this country.  Imagine if I told you this has already happened.

 

There was someone who confirmed his willingness to enter such a covenant in a multimillion dollar 30 minute commercial seen around the world in prime time in 2008, even preempting the start of the last game of the Baseball World Series.  Imagine if I told you the date this occurred was exactly, to the day, the date I had been waiting to see if such an event would happen since 2003.  Imagine my surprise when it did.

 

This date was also not kept to myself but shared with others.  An article was published on October 8, 2003 to the website www.FiveDoves.com.  This article alluded to how one could calculate this 2008 date if one so desired, based of course on subtracting 1 week which as explained in the article would be 7 years of 360 days from  September 23, 2015.  Excerpts from this article are shown in italics below:

The modern day commandment to rebuild Jerusalem occurred when the Nation of Israel captured Jerusalem on June 7, 1967.  Rebuilding has indeed occurred since that time in Jerusalem.  Adding 7 weeks or in other words 49 years of 360 days from June 7, 1967 brings us to exactly Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, in the year 2015, (September 23, 2015, Tishri 10, 5776). Would this not be the fulfillment of prophecy for Christ to return as the King of Kings “when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ’s coming”?

 It is very hard to have a truly original idea but I have searched the internet and not found this date, September 23, 2015, referenced in this regard.  So for now I can claim it as original and put it forth as the fulfillment of Daniels 7 weeks of his 70 week prophecy.  Time will tell whether this is the fulfillment of  this prophecy by Daniel.

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I will also leave it to others to subtract 7 years from September 23, 2015 if so desired.

 

 

This event 7 years before September 23, 2015 on October 29, 2008 has indeed given a tremendous amount of credibility to this particular interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks.  However, the icing on the cake came exactly 5 prophetic years before September 23, 2015 on October 19, 2010 when another member of the unholy trinity appears to have been identified as such by his actions on that day.  Incidentally, his actions on October 19, 2010 were widely reported in the press for all the world to know and for his brethren to understand.  This person to quite likely take the reins as the 4th horseman, identified himself not only with the 3rd horseman but the 2nd horseman as well.  This person traveled to Kenya, the country of the father of the one believed to be the beast, the 3rd horseman.  The country where the 3rd horseman’s step-grandmother says she witnessed the 3rd horseman’s birth.  The country where the 3rd  horseman’s elusive birth certificate is believed to reside.  In so doing with his father a British citizen, the 3rd horseman would have been born a British citizen, subject to the crown.  How appropriate.

 

Now, while in Kenya, the apparent 4th horseman, the prince in line for the crown of Britain, on October 19, 2010, proposed marriage to the woman with which he has been cohabitating.  This marriage will take center stage to divert attention away from the Bride of Christ, to divert attention away from the upcoming Marriage of the Lamb.  This marriage was announced to take place on April 29, 2011, the 66th anniversary of the marriage of Adolph Hitler, the 2nd horseman, no less.  (For more on the 1st – 3rd horsemen see chapters 1-14 of “The Lawless One” which were posted on Five Doves from October 2009 to April of 2010 and John Tng has so graciously kept on his home page.)

 

Counting April 17th as the 1st day and continuing the count we arrive at April 29th as the 13th day.  How the number 13, the 6th prime number, plays into all this is also laid out in the chapters referenced above.  How the mark of the beast could look to reflect both 6 and 13 while being both 666 and the number of the beast, is laid out at the following reference:

 

http://www.endofage.com/seal.html

 

Also note that October 19, 2010 is exactly 60 prophetic months from September 23, 2015 and exactly 6 prophetic months from April 17, 2011.  It is also the 44th prophetic year since June 7, 1967.  Note that the apparent 4th horseman was born in 1982 on a high black sabbat, the summer solstice, June 21st, or in European order of day then month, 21/6 or 216, the product of three 6’s.  And note that the apparent 4th horseman was not christened till 44 days later on August 4th, which was the 216th day of the year.  And finally note that the 44th President of the United States on the day of this christening would celebrate his 21st birthday, drinking age in much of the United States.  No kidding!

 

Now taking the birth date of June 21st in 1982 and subtracting the expected time from conception to when he exited the birth canal, one can determine his actual age, both biologically and Biblically.  Normal gestation is 40 weeks.  However, one could hazard to guess this gestation was not normal.  He very easily could have been premature by a week and we now have a number that is the product of 13 and 3 or 39 weeks.  So, subtracting 39 weeks or 39 times 7 we come to the date, 9/21/1981.  And now adding 30 prophetic years or 30 times 360 we land directly on the date, April 17, 2011.  Remember, the 4th horseman is imitating Joseph, beloved son of Jacob/Israel and the first born son of Rachel, by revealing himself to his brethren 5 years into the 7 years of tribulation.  And Joseph was also 30 years of age, like Jesus, when he entered his ministry to save Israel and the world from physical death.

 

And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.  Genesis 41:45

 

Just as Jesus saves everyone from spiritual and eternal death who will call upon Him to forgive them of their sins and turn from their evil ways and make Him Lord of their life.

 

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.  Mark 12:30

 

 

-Shalom,

Ted Porter

This is the second post

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/tedp419.htm

Ted Porter (19 Apr 2011)
Re: Suzi – Chapter XIX – The False Profit


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Suzi – Per your question yesterday. 

 

But, I am confused as to when you talk about THREE in this ‘unholy trinity’. Who is the 3rd?

 

This goes into more detail about the possible 3rd person of the unholy trinity in Novel form.  I’ve been on a sort of “sabbatical” from posting on Five Doves so wanted to answer your question but give you some explanation at the same time.  – Shalom

 

 

Chapter XIX – The False Profit

 

Dave was looking over part of Chuck’s manuscript that was now upon the table.  Dave said, “I see you have a scene called, “The False Profit”.  What’s that about?  And why are you spelling it P, R, O, F, I, T?”

 

Chuck said, “That’s all about, of course, the false prophet, spelled P, R, O, P, H, E, T.  Since you asked, I have a question for all of you.  What does the Bible say is the purpose of the false prophet?”

 

“Oh, that’s easy,” said Virginia.  “It’s to prepare the way for the antichrist.”

 

“Very good,” said Chuck, “Although as I’m sure you know, the book of Revelation never uses the word, “antichrist”.  On the other hand, the author of Revelation uses this term in both John I and II.  So we can use it.  Yes, just as John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ, the false prophet will prepare the way for the antichrist.  And just as both John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are from the tribe of Judah, in other words Jewish, so we would expect the heritage of both the false prophet and the antichrist would be somehow from the tribe of Judah.  Next question, how will the false prophet prepare the way for the antichrist?”

 

The rest of them looked at each other.  Dave finally said, “Okay, what is it?”

 

Chuck said, “I’ll give you a hint.  The key word is, “image”.  And as any politician will tell you, image is everything.  The purpose of the false prophet is to give power to the image of the antichrist.  Here, let me read it.”

 

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  Revelation 13:15

 

Chuck continued, “And we know the “he” in this verse is the false prophet because he is identified later in verse 19.  See.”

 

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.  Revelation 19:20

 

“I couldn’t agree with you more,” said Virginia.  The false prophet caused the image of the beast to have life, and then to even speak.  The Bible is describing talking pictures, what we call motion pictures.  The image has life because the image moves just like the real thing.  And the image speaks as well!”

 

“Well, blow me over, and call me late for supper” said Elizabeth.  “I never thought the Bible was describing a video, no less.  Just imagine, only 100 years ago they had no idea what this was talking about, let alone 2000 years ago.  My word, gave life to the image and had the image speaking as well, how much plainer could it be.”

 

Chuck said, “Not much plainer to me anyway.  So, I think we can agree that it seems clear now that “image” can mean a motion picture.  Or it could mean the persona of someone created for the consumption of the masses.  Or both. 

 

Obadiah said, “Well, it is pretty easy to figure out who gave power and money to the lawless one.”

 

Chuck said, “That is true.  Let’s say that the first beast introduced in Revelation 13 is the false prophet and the second is the antichrist.  Which means that it would be the false prophet that gives power to the image of the antichrist in verse 15.  That would also explain why it was the dragon who gave power to the false prophet in verse 4.

 

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?  Revelation 13:4

 

Chuck continued, “The question is whether the dragon gives earthly power by acting through and possessing a person.  We know the dragon is later identified as satan.  Okay, here it is.”

 

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

Dave said, “I really have to share this.  I was thinking of the triangle of the unholy trinity with satan at the bottom.  I have also been playing with the numbers of these various names while you were all talking.  I know satan can change from the devil to lucifer, an angel of light, seeing whom he can deceive, so he shows two faces.  So I was thinking the name should reflect these two faces by being divisible by the numbers 13 and 8.  Running the numbers I found that while “satan” and “devil” were both divisible by 8, the word “serpent” was divisible by both 13 and 8.  There you have it.  Then I was thinking that the name of the false prophet could be 8, reflecting one face, and the name of the antichrist, of course, divisible by 13.  Of course Chuck, the first, middle, last, and even mother’s maiden name of one you identified in your play as possibly the lawless one are each one divisible by 13.  I then tried the first and last name of one who clearly gave power to the lawless one, and guess what, it was divisible by 8!”

 

Virginia said, “Really, both first and last name separately were divisible by 8?”

 

Dave said, “Well no, just first and last name together.”

 

Obadiah said, “Well that’s something anyway.”

 

Chuck said, “To me, that really is something.”

 

Dave said, “There’s more.  I was also thinking of King Arthur Pendragon again and that Merlin gave power to Arthur.  But then Excalibur really gave power to them both.  I then came to the realization that Excalibur represents the serpent, but not just represents, Excalibur is the serpent.  Think about it.  Excalibur bites with its two edges just as the serpent bites with its two fangs.  In the triangle of the unholy trinity you would have at the bottom Excalibur in place of the serpent rising up from the depths of the lake of fire.  Guess what?  The number for the word “Excalibur” is divisible by both 13 and 8 just like the number for the word “serpent!  Not only that, but while the number for the word “serpent” is 520, the number for the word “Excalibur” is exactly twice 520 at 1040!”

 

Stuart said, “You know, there really must be something to these numbers.”

 

Obadiah said, “Oh yea of little faith.  After all this time, you are just now coming around?”

 

Stuart smiled and replied, “What can I say.”

 

Dave said, “Well, guess what I can say.  If that made you think, this will blow you away!  Both Merlin and Arthur fit on the unholy trinity triangle as well.  Merlin would be the false prophet as the word “Merlin” is divisible by 8 while the word “Arthur” is divisible by 13!  The dragon Excalibur gives power that appears good that is divisible by 8 to Merlin while at the same time gives power that is bad that is divisible by 13 to Arthur.  Have you ever seen someone with a tattoo of a serpent wrapped around a sword?”

 

Stuart laughed and said, “Okay, now you’ve got me convinced!”

 

Elizabeth said, “Praise the Lord.”

 

Chuck said, “Anyway, my original false prophet in the play, which you all have easily figured out, is still very active today in predicting the future.  Just last night on TV I heard him predicting that in the United States we would have increased inflation, then increased unemployment, then actual state defaults.  Even now this guy is quite active, so he hasn’t gone away.  And he has many billions of dollars, some even think trillions at his disposal to enable him to create a false image of the lawless one.”

 

Stuart said, “And boy did this guy have to grease a lot of palms to create this false image.”

 

Dave said, “Boy, that’s for sure.  I was just reading about the lawless one’s step-grandma saying she was present at his birth in Kenya and then he has dozens of lawsuits that must be constantly prevented from even coming to court.  As the English version of Pravda stated in, well here is the source,”

 

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/17-09-2010/114965-{redacted last name}_birth_certificate-0/

 

Dave continued, “If any of these cases are ever able to be just heard in court, not won, just heard, it is all over for the lawless one.  Because, the case will be over in the discovery phase.  And even conservative estimates for what’s been spent so far are close to a billion dollars.  Where’d the money come from?”

 

Stuart said, “He does have a problem.  Of course, I’m sure building his image in the first place took a lot of money.  You don’t go from being a nobody with virtually no means of support, to what was he?   Oh yea, first a teacher at a college, then to State Senator and then to United States Senator in 2006.  Then, by 2008 he’s the US President.  That’s some kind of miracle.  Someone with mighty deep pockets had to build that image, almost overnight.  And had to bury is old image along with his college transcripts under a different name, and the biggest of all, his birth certificate.”

 

Obadiah said, “You know how it says he will make war on the Saints and overcome them?  Well, he sure did overcome Alan Keyes.  Twice.  If there was ever a Saint in government, Alan Keyes sure qualifies.”

 

Stuart said, “Yeah, I love that guy.”

 

Obadiah continued, “Me too.  And there were indeed many Saints that voted for him.  So this could be at least a partial fulfillment of Revelation 13:7 where it talks about overcoming the Saints and then be given power over the most powerful country in the world.”

 

Dave said, “True, virtually power to control the whole world.  Who can make war against the US?”

 

Obadiah said, “If anyone had a compelling interest in having him disqualified for not showing he meets the requirements to be President, it was Alan.”    

 

Virginia said, “I wonder what would happen if just one of all those cases finally makes it to just to the discovery phase.  Maybe that’s his mortal wound with the sword.”

 

Stuart said, “Yea, the sword of truth.  All those appointments out the window.  Just think, that will include his latest to the Supreme Court.”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t think anyone will argue there were more qualified persons to sit on the Supreme Court.  Her main claim to fame was that she had successfully defended the lawless one against all those lawsuits.  Or should I say, got them thrown out of court before they could be heard.  Didn’t even have to defend them in court!”

 

“Amazing, isn’t it,” said Eveyln.

 

“A miracle,” said Stuart.  “Or should I say many miracles.”

 

“Yes,” said Dave.  “Almost like fire descending from heaven and burning each of those lawsuits up the moment they touched a judge’s hand.”

 

Chuck said, “Dave, you of course are referring to what it says in Revelation.  I suppose another possibility could be smart bombs like those dropped in Iraq.  They could destroy all of the lawless ones opposition.  Just imagine if that is how the Saints are overcome.  Remove all opposition.  Of course that only leaves his supporters.  That could also explain how his wound by the sword is healed.  But Dave, I like the sound of your way better.”

 

Dave said, “Thanks, Chuck.  And as you were saying about the false prophet.”

 

Chuck said, “Oh, yes.  The false prophet gave power to the image of the beast.  And we know that the word “image” means not the real thing.  He has an “image” created for him, a history, a religion, a set of beliefs, what we can call a façade covering up the real person.  And another meaning is like in a motion picture where we have an image which is given life, to move, and to even speak.  And to do this took a whole lot of money.  That is one thing the false prophet has in spades.  He made literally billions if not trillions of dollars in profit, by predicting the future.”

 

Obadiah said, “I thought that was what true prophets did.  You know, predict the future.”

 

Chuck said, “Let me clarify that.  He predicted the future, usually the collapse of some countries currency, and then he caused that future to happen, or rather “nudged” it.  And for that he was handsomely rewarded through buying and selling futures and shorts on the currencies.  You realize in all of this making of money, none of it was from producing any goods or services?  So, whether this person is “the” false prophet, he is definitely “a” false prophet, in both senses of the word.”

 

Stuart said, “Don’t you mean both senses of the two words?  You know, the one ending in P, H, E, T, and the other in F, I, T!”

 

Virginia said, “If you are a true prophet then you can predict the future and you could make a lot of money.”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t think God would give someone the gift of prophecy so they could profit from it.  Remember, Daniel refused the King’s money?  And also remember the story of the prophet Balaam and his donkey?  You know, how the Angel of the Lord was going to kill him for trying to profit?  But then the donkey refused to move?  And then Balaam beat his donkey?”

 

Elizabeth said, “I shore ‘nough do.  I love that story!”

 

“You do not,” said Virginia.

 

“No, I really do,” said Elizabeth.  “It has a moral.  It means we shouldn’t abuse the gifts God gives us.”

 

“True,” said Chuck.  “But from all indications, the gift of prophecy was not bestowed upon this false prophet.  True, he is of the tribe of Judah on both sides of his family.  And remember, Jesus declared that John the Baptist, also of the tribe of Judah, was the greatest prophet born of women.”

 

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: ……Luke 7:28

 

“So,” said Obadiah, “Let me get this straight.  Both the lawless one and this particular false prophet, well at least false P, R, O, F, I, T, have Jewish blood coursing through their veins.”

 

“Yes, of course,” said Chuck.  “While we’ve talked about the lineage of the lawless one and even how we think his father’s side should go back all the way to Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, people have actually run his lineage all the way back to Solomon on his mother’s side.  But he isn’t a full blooded Jew.  However, this false prophet has Jewish blood on both his mother’s and father’s side.

 

“Okay,” said Virginia.  “I’m confused.  I thought you said that the lawless one is the 3rd and not the 4th horseman.  Yet that doesn’t leave anyplace to put the false prophet.  And then you start spelling it as if it was profit from money.  The guy you are talking about may have made billions but the lawless one is in charge of trillions.”

 

“True,” said Chuck.  “Which means the false P, R, O, F, I, T would be on a world-wide scale well over a thousand times greater than this other person.  We’ve already seen in the last two years massive out of control spending by the United States government that dwarfs the previous years spending.  And we’ve seen the printing presses going wild.  This can only lead to the dollar becoming worthless.  And any securities redeemable in US dollars will become worthless as well.  We already know the US has had to sign away to the Chinese government its parks and public lands as collateral against its greenback.  And the only reason we haven’t seen the complete collapse of the US dollar is because it is the reserve currency of the World.  And as they say, when the US sneezes, the World catches a cold.

 

Dave said, “Sure brings into perspective how the third horseman is described in terms of how much it costs to buy food.  I believe it’s like a days wages for a small amount of grain.  Here let me pull it up and read it.”

 

And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.  Revelation 6:5-6

 

Chuck said, “You can see my dilemma.  The lawless one sure fits being the third horseman, and for many reasons not just this one.”

 

Obadiah said, “So how did you have everything in your original play?”

 

Chuck said, “Well, before the producers and the money people and everyone got involved I had the false prophet making a false profit, F, I, ,T, and giving over 6 billion of his ill gotten gain to the Democratic National Committee which  assured the election of the lawless one.  I had a scene where Jesus was hailed as King of Kings and the next where he gets violently mad at the money changers in the Temple, fashions a whip, drives them out, and overturns their tables.  I had this verse being read.”

 

And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;  John 2:15

 

Obadiah said, “Jesus was the Prince of Peace.  Well actually He IS the Prince of Peace.  Yet this is the only time I know that He did get violently, physically, mad.”

 

Chuck said, “Exactly.  He got physically mad at the money changers for their ill gotten gain, their false profit.  They were exchanging money from Jews who had come from all around the world to celebrate the Passover that week at the Temple in Jerusalem.  These Jews had money from all around the world.  They needed animal sacrifices that could only be purchased with local money, the type the money changers were exchanging.”

 

Stuart said, “I’m sure the exchange rates were particularly steep right before Passover.”

 

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “That is exactly what they did.  They manipulated the exchange rates of currency from around the world to make money.  And that is exactly how the false prophet has made billions of dollars of false profit.”

 

Elizabeth said, “That’s what I like to see.  Taking the present back to the Bible.  History repeating itself.  To think, Boy, Jesus getting violently mad.  The only time I can think of him getting violently mad.  And money buys influence, today just as it did back then.  No wonder Jesus was crucified that same week.”

 

Chuck said, “Money does buy influence.  Tell me about it.  That’s why I’ve had such a hard time getting my play produced.  Do I change my play to get it produced?  But if I don’t, will it ever be seen by the public?”

 

Dave asked, “Isn’t it better to have part of the truth come out than none at all?”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t know.  Is a half-truth better than no truth?  Won’t a half-truth deceive so the person will no longer receive the whole truth?  Doesn’t a vaccine introduce part of a virus or a dead virus so the person is no longer affected by the real virus?”

 

Virginia said, “So, Chuck, in your original play you had the false prophet who prepared the way for the lawless one.  And you had the lawless one being the third horseman.  So, who did you have as the fourth horseman.”

 

Chuck said, “I had as the fourth horseman, the dragon, the serpent, the green reptile.”

 

Stuart chuckled, “I’m sorry.  I was just picturing this giant green talking lizard.”

 

Virginia said, “You’re thinking of the TV commercial.”

 

Stuart said, “Yes, with a British accent, or is it Australian?”

 

Obadiah said, “Seriously you guys.  I had figured this out from the unholy trinity Chuck had showed us with satan, who is the serpent, who is the dragon, at the bottom.”

 

Virginia said, “Shouldn’t we be seeing this green reptile pretty soon?”

 

Chuck said, “Well, according to the timetable I had in my play, the third horseman would confirm a covenant with many at the 7 year countdown mark on October 29, 2008.  I was able to identify the third horseman by looking at that date.  Then the fourth horseman would reveal himself to his brethren at the 5 year countdown mark on October 19, 2010.  I have not been able to identify yet the fourth horseman.”

 

Elizabeth said, “Maybe because you aren’t one of his brethren.”

 

Chuck said, “That’s a good point.  That makes me feel better anyway.  Maybe I shouldn’t be doubting my ideas for the third and fourth horseman.  Maybe I shouldn’t be entertaining the idea of forcing the false prophet into the position of the third horseman.”

 

Stuart said, “So how do we decide who is the third and who is the fourth horseman?”

 

“Simple,” said Elizabeth, “We look at the first and second.”

 

Chuck said, “Elizabeth, you are exactly right!”

 

Dave said, “You know, I’ve mentioned James Harrison’s book “The Pattern & The Prophecy” before.  I remember him devoting quite a bit of time to the first and second horseman, Napoleon, and Hitler.  He calls them the two antichrists or beasts of modern times, but not the ultimate antichrist.  Here, it will only take me a second to look it up.  Oh yeah, I found it on page 280.  He starts off by saying under the section titled, “Hitler and Napoleon” the following:”

 

We have seen the Antichrists of the ancient world:  Cheops, Nimrod, Semiramis, Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Nero, and the Roman Empire.  Now we will investigate two beasts of modern times:  Hitler and Napoleon.

 

Dave continued, “He goes on to say on page 283:”

 

  • ·        The parallels between these two sons of satan began at birth.  Napoleon wasn’t French; he was born on the island of Corsica and always spoke French with an Italian accent.  Hitler wasn’t German, he was Austrian; he spoke High German with an Austrian accent.  For that matter, Alexander wasn’t completely Greek; he was Macedonian, and he always spoke in a Greek dialect.

 

“Boy,” said Stuart.  “Look at the parallels.  We know the lawless one isn’t American, being born in Kenya and then going to grade school in Indonesia.  He would have had British citizenship through his father.  We also know he visited foreign countries as a young adult that were off limits to Americans.  So he had to have a passport as a citizen of another country.  He also lived on an island growing up, like Napoleon.  Well, two when you count Hawaii.  That sure fits.”

 

Chuck said, “And the one I had originally as the 3rd horseman, the possible false prophet isn’t American either.  Plus he’s connected in several ways to the 2nd horseman, Hitler.  See, Hitler was born in Austria-Hungary, which later became Austria.  This original false prophet was born in Hungary.  Then, as a teenager while his Dad spent time as a Jew in prison, he actually assisted with confiscation of Jewish property.  There’s another parallel as well.  He is also lived on an island growing up, but one close enough to the mainland where his Dad would take a rowboat from the island each day to work.”

 

“Very good points,” said Dave, let me read on:

 

  • ·        By 1812 Napoleon was the master of Europe; and in 1942 Hitler was dictator of Europe.  The former tried to impose his Continental Monetary System; the latter forced his New Order Economics for buying and selling on a defeated continent.  Sound familiar?  Aren’t we hearing identical phrases today?  In each case Russia and England refused to fit into these controlling webs of economic domination. 

 

“I just noticed,” said Obadiah, “We have exactly 130 years between 1812 and 1942.  There’s that number 13 again.  Although these are actual years and not prophetic years like we have exactly 13 between the birth or Ray Mabus and the birth of the lawless one.  Let’s see, the lawless one was elected president of the most powerful country in the world in 2008.  And from 1942 to 2008 is 66 years.  Now what kind of coincidence is that?”

 

“Some kind of coincidence!” repeated Elizabeth.  “I’m getting goosebumps!”

 

Dave said, “Also, very good points.  There are a lot of parallels here in this book.  I don’t know how many will continue with the lawless one.  One that was of interest to me was the one about the summer solstice.

 

  • ·        Each Beast’s decision to invade Russia took place on the summer solstice – a satanic high Black sabbat.  Napoleon’s was on 22 June 1812, Hitler’s on 21 June 1941.

 

Dave continued, “Starting on page 286 he has, well let me just read it.”

 

To mock Christ’s Millennial Reign, Hitler proclaimed the Third Reich would last a 1000 years.  The propaganda for this attempt at reviving the Holy Roman Empire (the First Reich) was under the masterful control of a second beast, Joseph Goebbels.  This false prophet organized all Hitler’s propaganda triumphs.

 

But the beast was captured [in the Bunker] and with him the false prophet who performed the miraculous signs [propaganda] on his behalf.  With these signs he had deluded those [Nazi members] who had received the mark of the beast [swastika] and worshiped his image.  The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur [gasoline soaked pit].

 

Virginia said, “So this guy is saying that Goebbels was the false prophet and Hitler was the antichrist?”

 

Dave said, “I don’t think that is what this guy is saying.”

 

Virginia said, “Well that is how it sounded to me.  Now are we to expect Hitler’s deadly head wound to be healed and they’ll bring him back to life like Jesus Christ was brought back to life?  Maybe they already have?”

 

Dave said, “No, I really don’t think so.  I realize some think that all ideas are equally valid, especially if there is no evidence to the contrary.  But I’m certainly not among them.  I also realize that the wilder the idea, the more likely for some to accept it. “

 

Obadiah said, “Hey, that’s like Hitler’s idea of telling a big lie because that is more believable to people.  The reasoning being that these people can image someone telling a small lie since they tell small lies, but it is beyond their comprehension that someone would tell a big lie, because they wouldn’t.”

 

Virginia said, “But you can’t just dismiss this idea.”

 

“Okay,” said Dave.  “We can’t just dismiss it.  But from everything else he is saying, both Napoleon and Hitler are antichrists that lead up to the final antichrist.  And his analogy of the swastika being a mark of the beast is interesting.  In a sense they needed it to buy or sell.  And then the hexagram that was placed on the Jews didn’t allow them to buy or sell and actually marked them for death.  Since Chuck is using stars in the shape of a hexagram as the mark of the beast, we have another tie-in with Hitler, but we don’t have Hitler.

 

Obadiah said, “And you don’t see his name equaling 666.”

 

Dave said, “Funny you should mention that.  Cause this book now gets into how both the names Napoleon and Hitler can equal 666.  He first refers again to Tolstoy and Napoleon’s Russian campaign in the third volume of War and Peace, chapter 19.  Basically, it says that Tolstoy is treating the French alphabet in a similar way to the Hebrew enumeration.  However it looks like he skips the letter “J”.  It also looks like he counts by 1’s up to 10, then 10’s, up from there.  The Hebrew enumeration stops counting by 10’s once it reaches 100.  Then counts by 100’s.  Well, I guess it is close.

 

Virginia said, “I didn’t quite catch all that!”

 

“Okay,” said Dave, “We have, A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, K=10, L=20, M=30, N=40, O=50, P=60, Q=70, R=80, S=90, T=100, U=110, V=120, W=130, X=140, Y=150, Z=160.  Got it?”

 

“I think,” said Virginia.  “It says that the name “Napoleon” equals 666 using this code.”

 

Dave said, “Okay, actually it uses his title in French also, so the complete phrase is, “Le Empereur Napoleon”.

 

Virginia said, “I don’t mean to be argumentative but where do they get off leaving out the “J”?  I happen to know French and it has the same exact alphabet as the English.  Why, the Norman French even conquered England at one time.  All our English kings, the French, English, well even some of the German’s, are related.”

 

Dave said, “I don’t know.  Maybe the language was different 200 years ago.  Here let me search the internet for, well it was probably called “middle French” like we have “middle English.”  Okay, looking up “middle French alphabet”.  Let me scan this.  Okay, I found something at Wictionary.org.  Let me read it..

 

The Middle French alphabet uses 25 letters, the 26 letters of the Modern French alphabet, minus the j which is written as an i.

 

Virginia said, “Let me see that.  Okay, I see that.  But look here, it says the break between Middle French and Modern French was around 1600 AD.  Although the way this reads, it sounds a little vague.  But regardless, you still have to keep counting by 10’s after 100 to make it work, instead of switching to counting by 100’s.  I’d like to see it with the current code.

 

Dave said, “That’s easy to do”, as he pulled up his code converter.  Dave continued, “Typing in “Le Empereur Napoleon” it comes to well, look at that, 966.

 

They all crowded around to look at Dave’s computer screen.  Obadiah said, “an upside down six followed by two right-side up ones.  That’s pretty close for an antichrist leading up to the antichrist.”

 

Dave said, “Well, let’s just try Napoleon.  Okay, that’s 266.  Boy sure a lot of 66’s.  But I’d like to add in Tolstoy’s defense he uses the same alphabet again with the same result.  Here look at Napoleon.”

 

L  E    E M   P E  R E   U   R      N  A  P  O   L  E O   N

20 5 + 5 30 60 5 80 5 110 80 + 40 1 60 50 20 5 50 40 = 666

 

Dave said, “Now look in this book at how Tolstoy added up “quarante-deux” which means 42, the number of months that God will allow the antichrist to rule, to also equal 666.”

 

 Q   U   A R  A N    T   E – DE   U    X

70 110 1 80 1 40 100 5 + 4 5 110 140 = 666

 

Dave continued, “And then he brings up another code for getting Hitler starting with A=100 and counting by 1’s.  Look at this.”

 

English Alphabet

A=100, B=101, C=102, D=103, E=104, F=105, G=106, H=107, I=108, J=109, K=110, L=111, M=112, N=113, O=114, P=115, Q=116, R=117, S=118, T=119, U=120, V=121, W=122, X=123, Y=124, Z=125

 

  H     I      T     L     E     R

107 108 119 111 104 117 = 666

 

Chuck said, “Thanks Dave.  That really brings us up to the present day with the lawless one, the third antichrist, the third horseman.”

 

“That reminds me,” said Obadiah, “What happened to the fourth horseman?  Chuck, how are you covering that in your play?”

 

“Oh, the green horseman,” said Chuck.  “Although the King James uses the word “pale”.  But then the King James turns around and uses the word “green” elsewhere for the same Greek word.  It’s also the same Greek word we get our English word, “chlorophyll”.  You, know the green substance in plants.  Although when green plants die they do turn pale.”

 

Obadiah said, “The green horseman, the pale horseman.  We already have a white horseman which isn’t much different than pale.  So maybe the correct translation is green.”

 

“Who knows,” said Stuart.

 

“Who cares,” said Virginia, almost under her breath.

 

Dave said, “So Virginia, the color makes no difference to you?”

 

Virginia said, “I don’t see how the color helps us in identifying the last horseman.”

 

Obadiah said, “It did with the first three.”

 

Chuck said, “Well, you know how Daniel says that the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy Jerusalem.  We know the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.  So, there are many who think the British Empire is the rightful heirs of Rome, the destroyer of Jerusalem.  The people of the prince are British so the prince that is to come will be British.”

 

Obadiah said, “The British Monarchy sure seems to think so, anyway.”

 

Chuck continued, “So what is part of Great Britain called but the Emerald Isle?  And where is considered the epicenter of the International Date Line but in Greenwich, England?  Even the name gives it away.  You know, Green Witch.  A play on words.

 

“Cute,” said Stuart

 

Chuck said, “It’s not just cute.  It’s serious.  But then there are those who believe the last horseman really will be green.  More precisely he is believed to be Nimrod who by some accounts was 2/3rds alien demon and 1/3rd human.  The only scenario that seems possible from a reproduction standpoint is if the genetic material was somehow manipulated to create a 2/3rds alien or 66.6%, and 1/3rd human or 33.3%.”

 

Stuart said, “There are those numbers again, 666 and 333.”

 

Obadiah said, “This sure sounds like satan in some evil way trying to one-up God.  You know, Jesus Christ being considered only half Creator God and then half human.  What would it have to be?  I was thinking Man has a double helix DNA.  Wouldn’t this have to be genetic manipulation somehow into a triple?

 

Elizabeth said, “Don’t know if I go in for all this alien stuff.”

 

Dave said, “Don’t know if we will really know until they are revealed.  We do know there are demons.  Whether they can actually procreate and did, is a good question.  Whether this is where the giants came from, the titans, which by the way the word “titan” in the Greek has a number equivalency of 666, who really knows.  They could have been Cain’s seed.  All we know is there were giants in the land.”

 

Chuck said, “That is true, I would point out though that what differentiates males from females is that males have an X and a Y chromosome while females have two X chromosomes.  However, there are males genetically born today that have two Y chromosomes and an X.  Studies have been conducted as to whether this predisposes them to violence.  There are a disproportionate number of these males in prison.  However there are others that have been able to lead productive lives.  So instead of the actual helix being somehow a triple, we could just be talking about two Z chromosomes and then an X.  The bottom line in my book is as in the days of Noah, well let me read the verses I have in my notes.”

 

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.  And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  Genesis 6:4-5

 

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.  Genesis 6:8

 

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  Matthew 24:37

 

Chuck continued, “The bottom line is that we would expect a tall person, although height is relative.  We have people alive now at over 8 feet tall.  Let me look at my notes.  Okay I see Goliath of the Bible was around 9 ½ feet tall if you use 18 inch cubits or 13 ¾ feet tall if you use 25.2 in cubits.  However, I still noticed a progression in height among the 4 horsemen.  Napoleon still holds supreme as being the prime example of  “short man syndrome”.  Yet there is some disagreement whether he was 5’ 2” or 5’ 6”.  You see, his French physician reported at his death that he measured 5’ 2” tall.  But some think these were in French inches, slightly larger than British inches.  This would be equivalent to around 5’ 6” British.  However, his death certificate was cosigned by several British attending physician witnesses.  Would they have allowed the measurements of this French tyrant to have been stated in anything but British units?  Doesn’t matter, I heard they have a full length desk mask of him anyway that measures around 5’2” to 5’ 3”.”

 

Dave said, “You are just full of facts.  So how tall was Hitler?”

 

Chuck looked down at the paper in front of him.  “He was, let’s see, around 5’ 8”.  And then, I’ve got the lawless one in my play as being 6’ 1” tall.”

 

Obadiah said, “Let me throw this one out.  I notice each of the second and third horsemen around 5 inches taller than the previous.  So, following the same projection we have the final antichrist as being, 6’ 6”.  See the double 6’s.”

 

Chuck said, “Good speculation Obadiah.  However, Nimrod was reported as being considerably taller.  Maybe 9’ 9”, who knows.  But lets go on to his other qualifications.  Remember how it looks like all three horsemen spent much of their childhood growing up on islands?  Well Nimrod grew up on the island of Crete.  There you go.”

 

Dave said, “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea.  That’s from the 1st verse in Revelation 13.”

 

Chuck continued, “Very good Dave.  I was also going to point out that Nimrod is said to have died from a head wound.  You wouldn’t happen to remember that verse?”

 

“Not off the top of my head,” said Dave.  “Oops.  Sorry.  Bad taste.  Didn’t mean to say that.”

 

Virginia said, “I don’t get it.”

 

Dave said, “Never mind.”

 

Chuck said, “I’ve got the reference on my paper.  I’ll read it.”

 

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.  Revelation 13:3

 

Chuck said, “So if he came back to life, even if they used genetic manipulation to insert his DNA into a donor, his head wound would in a sense be healed.”

 

“Wild speculation,” said Virginia.

 

Chuck said, “Now you see why I wrote a play on the lawless one instead of the green, or should I say, pale prince.”

 

Obadiah said, “He would be pale if he were dead no matter what his original skin color.”

 

Chuck said, “Reading on, I’ve got the following verses and list.”

 

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.  Revelation 17:10-11

 

Chuck continued, “Now one interpretation is these are not just kings but kingdoms and by incorporating the kingdoms prophesied in Daniel we have the following empires in the following order”:

 

1.      Egypt

2.      Assyria

3.      Babylon

4.      Medo-Persia

5.      Greece

6.      Rome

7.      “Holy” Roman Empire / Spanish / French / British / German Empires?

 

Chuck stopped and looked around and then said.  “Rome, as the Iron in Daniel’s statue seems to continue till the end of this age in one form or another.  As some have noted, the “Holy” Roman Empire was neither “Holy” nor particularly Roman, although it contained many of the same countries as Rome.  It definitely persecuted the Saints as documented in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.  But then after this we have the British empire which cannot be excluded as it was the largest empire in all of history.  That should qualify it for something.  And the effects of this kingdom are still felt to this day in that the world has now one main language in which best to communicate, that being English.  And the last one I have on this list is.”

 

8.      Revived Roman Empire?

 

Chuck looked up from his paper and looked around.  Everyone was looking intently at him.  Chuck continued.  “The first reason I had the revived Roman Empire is because that is the popular belief because the last empire could belong to the prince that is to come whose people destroyed the Temple in 70 AD.  While the second reason is because we are still in the iron of Daniel’s Kingdom Man, although maybe iron mixed with clay.”

 

Stuart said, “Well that is pretty close to what I’ve heard throughout the years.”

 

Chuck said, “True, however another way to look at this is these really could be kings.  Furthermore all these kings could be antichrists leading up to the final antichrist.  So, we should look for kings throughout history who set out to destroy God’s plan for the salvation of His people.  Anyway, the list I’ve compiled for this is:”

 

1.      Nimrod – The Assyrian – Tried to kill Abraham

2.      Pharaoh – Egypt – Enslaved Israelites.  Killed male babies in attempt to kill Moses (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)

3.      Nebuchadnezzar – Babylon – Destroyed Jerusalem and deported inhabitants

4.      Hamon the Agagite – Medes/Persians – Tried to annihilate all Jews in the World

5.      Alexander – Greece – Slaughtered all Males of Tyre, (northwest of Jerusalem) and sold all woman and children into slavery

6.      Herod – Rome – Conquered Jerusalem.  Killed male babies in attempt to kill Jesus (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)

7.      Hitler – Tried to wipe out Jews so Israel would not be reborn

8.      Nimrod – The Assyrian -Will try to wipe out all Saints so no one left to form Bride of Christ

 

Chuck paused for a moment and then asked, “What do you think?”

 

Obadiah said, “Interesting!”

 

Dave said, “Definitely thought provoking.  I saw where you also slipped in without really discussing it about Nimrod being “the Assyrian.”

 

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “There is so much in the Bible dedicated to discussing the Assyrian.  One of my favorites is in Micah where it tells the story of Jesus Christ who was born in Bethlehem, returning to the Mount of Olives, cleaving the rock below him as foretold in Zechariah 14, after the remnant have returned to Israel, and doing battle against the Assyrian, and winning.  Here, let me read it starting in Chapter 1 for background.”

 

The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.  Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the LORD from his holy temple.  For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.  And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.  Micah 1:1-4

 

“Then, said Chuck, “Let’s move to Chapter 5 where the birthplace of Jesus is prophesied and the Assyrian is mentioned with nimrod.”

 

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.  Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.  And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.  And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.  And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.  Micah 5:2-6

 

Virginia said, “Boy, my mind is about to explode.  Can we table this and begin bright and early tomorrow morning?”

 

Stuart said, “Fine with me.  It is getting late in the afternoon.  Been an interesting day.”

 

“Amen to that,” said Elizabeth

 

April 19, 2011 The Last Trump by Gary Stearman

Yesterday was Passover and on this date we know that the Lord Jesus Christ died in the cross to redeem those who by Faith have believed in Him.

The Feast of First Fruits is next Sunday and it is Resurrection day. Will the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the transformation of the believers occur at that date?

Well the anticipation is joyful.

Today in Prophecy in the News there was a video of the Last Trump and I an including it here. It will shed light in the debate as to the when and who concerning the Rapture.

Nando

http://vimeo.com/15230212

Written by twelvebooks

April 19, 2011 at 6:26 pm

April 19, 2011 Who goes or stays behind at the Rapture?

There has been a lot of discussions on this blog and on fivedoves about the Rapture, the timing and the ones who will go.

There has also been theological studies and opinions given about the parable of the ten virgins and who are the wise and who are the foolish.

The article from Jack Kelly is the other side of the argument that the whole church will be Raptured. This position is also  held by the late J.R. Church and Mr. Gary Stearman of prophecy in the news and many other men and women of God.

I personally see a valid argument in both positions and have given the subject a lot of meditation. It is probable that the answer will be obvious when the Rapture occurs.

Tim La Haye made popular this concept with his Left Behind Series, although in the series the pilot and his daughter could have been non believers and the author left their beliefs blurry enough that they could have been non-believers.

One point that I think must be taken into account in the thinking is the part that precedes the Rapture which is that the dead in Christ will rise first.

Are the dead in Christ divided in two camps the foolish and the wise or the Barley and the Wheat and if they are are they raised at this time together?

I think it is not scriptural to divide the dead in Christ in these two groups and that all the dead in Christ will be raised prior to the Rapture of those alive at the time.

Nando

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/kelley/jack168.html

Left Behind For Bad Behavior?



One of the most telling indicators that the rapture is near is the number of people who write fearing that because of their behavior they’re going to be left behind. People didn’t worry so much about that when they thought the rapture was off in the distant future.

I’m sure some of this is due to the normal conviction of the Holy Spirit and in that case it’s not a rapture issue because as we’ll see born again believers can’t be excluded from the Rapture for any reason.

No, I think most of the fear of missing the rapture comes from the false “partial-rapture” teaching.  There are several variations on this theme but they all claim that just being saved is either not enough to put you in the rapture, or it’s not enough to get you into the Kingdom after you are raptured. They say you also have to be worthy in some additional way.  In my opinion none of this can be reconciled with Scripture.

I want to approach the subject the way the US Treasury department trains bank employees to recognize counterfeit money.  Instead of showing them all the fakes and pointing out what makes them fake, they focus on what legitimate bills look like.  That way when bank tellers spot a bill that doesn’t look like what they have learned to recognize, they know it has to be a fake.

Let’s use that same principle to focus on what the Bible says about who qualifies for the rapture. Then we’ll know whether what we hear matches that.  If it doesn’t it’s a false teaching.

How Do We Qualify?

In order to exist in the presence of God, we have to be as righteous as He is. In the Lord’s time the Pharisees were thought to be the most righteous men in Israel. They were absolutely compulsive about keeping the Law, even straining their water before drinking it to avoid accidentally swallowing a tiny bug.

They come off badly in the Bible because of their resistance to the Gospel, but they were held in high esteem by the people as role models of righteousness.

Their problems with Jesus began in the early days of His ministry.  Speaking to a large group on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, Jesus said, “For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:20). They didn’t like hearing that they would be excluded from the Kingdom.

Then He explained that righteousness is not just a matter of outward behavior, but also includes inner motivation. Anger is as bad as murder, lustful thoughts are as bad as adultery. He went on to teach them things that were utterly amazing to them, even saying they must “Be perfect therefore, as your Father in Heaven is perfect”(Matt. 5:40) in order to qualify for the Kingdom . By the time He was finished it was clear that no human on Earth could ever achieve this high standard.

Then He said if they asked Him for this righteousness He would give it to them. All of them.  He said,  “Everyone who asks receives.  He who seeks finds, and to Him who knocks the door will be opened (Matt. 7:7-8).

He compared depending on Him to a narrow road with a small gate (Matt. 7:13-14). The name on the gate is faith.  The temptation to do things in our own strength in an effort to  secure our own righteousness is hard to resist, but if we’re not careful we’ll find ourselves on the wrong road, the one with the gate named works.   (Read Two Roads Two Gates One Goal. http://gracethrufaith.com/selah/two-roads-two-gates-one-goal/)

We must watch out for false teachers who will try to take us off the narrow road with a combination of faith and works.  It doesn’t matter what kind of good work we do, even if we do it in His name, only those who do the will of our Father in Heaven will enter the Kingdom (Matt. 7:13-23).   And what is our Father’s will?

Jesus said, “I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.  And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.  For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:38-40)

And what kind of work does He require of us? When they asked Him this a few verses earlier, He replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent” (John 6:29) There’s nothing you can add to your faith in what the Lord has done.  No good works of yours will either earn or hold your place in the rapture.  It’s based totally on what you believe and not on how you behave.

Paul had a lot to say about this, and some of it has been misinterpreted too.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.  This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. (Romans 3:21-22)

Our righteousness is imputed to us by faith because of our belief that when Jesus went to the cross He took all the sins of our life and paid the full penalty for them there (Colossians 2:13-14). If all the penalty for all your sins has already been paid, what more can you do?

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! (2 Cor. 5:17)

From God’s perspective, the old sinner no longer exists.  He’s been replaced by the new righteous saint.  How could this be?

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Cor. 5:21).  Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (Hebrews 10:14)

Because of our faith in the sufficiency of the cross, God is able to see us not as we are but as we will become when we’re perfected in the rapture.  The sins we still commit are viewed as if it’s no longer us doing the sinning but  the sin nature that still temporarily dwells within us. Here’s Paul again.

I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.  For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.  Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. (Romans 7:18-20)

Those who want to deny this call our attention to passages like 1 Cor. 6:8-10 as if Paul, writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit could contradict himself.

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

But they stop too soon because in verse 11 he explained, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Cor. 6:11)

Notice he said, “And that is what some of you were.”  Because we’re a new creation, God no longer sees us the way we used to be.  We’ve been washed, sanctified and justified. In other words, all our sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus, we’ve been made holy by Him, and He has rendered us righteous.  As righteous as He is. Please understand that all this was done by Him.  We might have been  part of the group described in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 sometime in the past, but because we accepted the Lord’s sacrifice on our behalf we no longer are.

Some folks can’t get past the idea that being good has to count for something and it does, but it’s not what they think. Once again we’ll get Paul’s input.

“Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.  Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. (2 Cor. 10:23-24)

Although we’re encouraged in the strongest possible way to behave in a manner pleasing to the Lord, no where in the New Testament are we told that our behavior will endanger our salvation, nor will it jeopardize our place in the rapture.  So while we can theoretically do whatever we want, some behavior is just not good.  First of all, our bad behavior can have a negative impact others.  We should always be aware of how our actions are being viewed, and we should never knowingly behave in a manner that causes a weaker brother to stumble.

Second, and more important, living up to what we have already attained (as Paul put it in Phil. 3:16) is how the Lord wants us to express our gratitude to Him for what we’ve been given.  Not to earn or keep anything, but to give thanks for what we already have.  It’s something He want us to want to do.

You see, we didn’t get where we are because of any merit or worthiness on our part.  But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,  made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.  And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,  in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.  For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—  not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:4-9)  It’s the best gift ever given,  it’s free, and it’s worthy of our gratitude.

So the bottom line is your ticket to the rapture came with your membership in the Church. It’s part of the inheritance you were guaranteed when you first believed (Ephes. 1:13-14). And your membership in the Church came as a result of your belief that Jesus gave His life to pay the penalty for all your sins and rose again to show that His payment was sufficient (Romans 10:9). As soon as you believed that you became as righteous as He is.  There’s nothing you can do for good or bad that will ever change that (Romans 8:38-39).  So if we’re all as righteous as God is, how can some deserve to go in the rapture or gain entry into the Kingdom while others don’t?  They can’t.

As an expression of your gratitude you can choose to behave in a manner that’s more pleasing to God. That’s what He wants you to do.  But you’d better hurry, because soon you won’t even be able to do that.  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)  You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 04-09-11

April 19, 2011 Confirmation of the soon to come Rapture of the Church

The story below is one of a believer in communication with Jesus and He answering back.

For those who walk with the Lord I want to say that He is very active telling the believers of His soon coming.

In years past His involvement was more subdued and not as direct at least that is what I have perceived so far, but I might be wrong.

Yes it is a great feeling to have an intimate relationship with Jesus.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/fay419.htm

Fay (19 Apr 2011)
“Myra and Doves”


Hi John and Doves,
 
Myra – how slow am I?? It’s taken awhile to sink in re your post asking about the Heron. The fact that you had posted it ages ago and it suddenly (and mysteriously) appeared again! John Tng (?) are you as mystified as we are?? As they say – there’s no such thing as coincidence with our LORD. I was going through the Dove posts, today, when Jana Miller’s post caught my attention – big time!.  Http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/janam418.htm. Her ‘Red Fox’ fleece. It got me thinking about the Heron again and I found myself praying that I could get confirmation of our return Home with an appearance of the Heron. It was only then that I realized that the LORD had actually preempted my request – through you (yet again). My heart has been pounding with excitement all day. Bless you, Myra.
 
I loved you story in your post today. Absolutely wonderful. Our incredible, Almighty LORD has it all under control. Hooray!!
 
God Bless you Myra and all Doves
In Jesus’ Beloved Name
 

Fay
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John

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