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Nov 30, 2011 The end is near, another way of looking at it.

Because our message is very often about the end and the beginning of the Apocalypse it is appropriate to introduce two excellent cartoons by Wiley that teaches us a lesson.



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November 30, 2011 at 2:28 pm

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Clay Cantrell (30 Nov 2011) “re Nando and his observations”

Thank you for your reply Clay, I understand now the limits to your posts and will do the utmost to take more time to digest your material.

It is my understanding that Jesus is also guiding your live from what you have written and that His ways and purposes we may not understand sometimes. Keep your posts and let the Holy Spirit keep telling you what to put.


Clay Cantrell (30 Nov 2011)
re Nando and his observations

Nando and other readers –

in response to this post:

and it’s observations  –

I applaud you for making it all the way through a very long account (though incomplete) of December 1997.

I’ve been posting on this site for almost 14 years now, thanks to John Tng, and I am as clueless today as to why God selected me to do this work as I was when it started. I have no accomplished background in numbers.

There are two sides to the work God called me to do. a number side and a supernatural side (dreams and visions). I post both to the best of my ability.

in the beginning, the Lord’s word to me was very clear about the material He would give me, and these are the exact words He used:

“Post all you know”.

that was it. that was the directive.

Your observations about the complexity of the material and the ability of the average readers to understand it are noted, and are shared by many, as I have heard it often over the years. the material is complex and I don’t apologize for that as it is not my material, per se. I readily admit that I am inadequately skilled to explain the material.

my posts are cumulative. 14 years worth of cumulative. there’s no way around it. the average reader may look at a post of mine, and feel like they are coming into the middle of a complex conversation they don’t follow, and that’s exactly what is happening. they are coming into the middle of a complex conversation.

In the beginning i posted very complicated charts i drew up to try and make the material as clear, readable, understandable as I could, so that the highest number of readers might grasp it. I quit making charts several years ago, when i looked back on the previous ones and discovered they weren’t any more readable than text files, so i quit. it took so very long to produce them.

I have always researched 10 times as much material as I actually post on this site, throwing out folders and notebooks full of material. i boil down as best I can what I think the Lord is saying about numbers, dreams or visions to as simple a form as I know how to do. it is really all i can do to get this material on line at all.

any questions any readers want to ask for clarification on any material I am happy to answer, but after all these years, I’ve settled into a pattern with the Lord about posting, and I simply can’t do anything different than I am doing. I know people like MJ Agee do a much better job and explaining things.

a cursory read of this information will not get the reader very far when it comes to the numbers side, and this material is not for everyone. in fact, i often can’t understand the material either. I do know this though, that over time, with some effort, the reader will see that there are really just a very few numbers I look for and post on. maybe 20. the single most important number is 527, Jared’s age when Enoch is ‘taken’.

There is a reason the Lord started this, and I have no idea what it is – except He wanted it known, and He thought I was a suitable vessel to do the work, which is beyond me. I would never have picked me to this work.

if the numbers material proves too much for a reader, then concentrate on the posts of the supernatural things, the dreams and visions like this one:

thanks for taking the time to read my posts. God bless you.

Jesus is Lord.


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November 30, 2011 at 1:25 pm

Nov 29, 2011 Peace and Safety, the Israel Omen I & II books

The Israel Omen and the Israel Omen II is the subject of this interview today by Mr. Gary Stearman.

It is obvious that the Lord is preparing the church for the prophesied peace and safety then sudden destruction falls upon them.

In his interview with the author it becomes clear as daylight that the Lord is using unparalleled disasters to link the forcing of Peace to Israel with disasters that he sends those Nations and governments that do that.

Even blind sinners acting like animals will begin to associate their actions to the disasters that come immediately after. The culmination of all these will be when the peace is force down the throat of Isrqael by the Antichrist which will then claim Peace and Safety which then opens the judgement for the destruction that will follow.



Nov 29, 2011 Rapture, Apocalypse in Late Autumn?

A very good study of the book of Jude with implications for the Rapture and the beggining of the Apocalypse in the late time of Autumn.


Clay Cantrell (29 Nov 2011)
Jude, Enoch & the Late Autumn Trees

Readers –

I post this material every Autumn.

the book of Jude contains the only quotation attributed to Enoch in the Bible:

Jude 1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Enoch appears to be a prototype of the Rapture (catching away),

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ….

the ESV (as well as the NKJV, and the NASB versions) use the translate it using the phrase “late Autumn” in regard to the trees, as shown below.

“These are hidden reefs[e] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in LATE AUTUMN, twice dead, uprooted …

the greek word is Strong’s 5352g, used only once

phthinoporinos {fthin-op-o-ree-nos’} from derivative of phthino (to wane; akin to the base of 5351) and 3703 (meaning late autumn);; adj AV – whose fruit withereth 1; 1 1) autumn trees 1a) trees such as they are at the close of autumn, dry, leafless and without fruit 1b) metaph. of unfruitful, worthless men.

I always wonder if the two are connected. Enoch and late Autumn.

also going here

you can see the word list for this verse. notice the 214 word.

Jared (descend) hebrew gematria = 214. i’ve posted before that 214 has to do with twins, or doubles, or two of something.

also notice at the end of the book in verse 23

Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

pulling = Strong’s 726g = Harpazo. to quickly pluck. same word as in the famous verse 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Jude is the last book before Revelation, which may itself be significant. the last warning.


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November 29, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Nov 29, 2011 Jesus numbers

Very interesting mathematical confirmation of the numbers relating to Jesus,


Bob Ware (29 Nov 2011)
“Strange anomalies in the web address ‘http://www.jesuschrist.888′”

The Greek gematria of ‘JESUS’ is 888 and ‘JESUS CHRIST’ is 2368. Strong’s Greek word number for Jesus is ‘2424’. Check out the ASCII sums when I used ‘888’ as the suffix for the imaginary web address: ‘http://www.jesuschrist.888’.


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November 29, 2011 at 11:58 am

Nov 29, 2011 December 0f 2011 will it fulfill the Rapture and start of Apocalypse?

A very good study by Pastor F.M. Riley looks at the coming month with the possibility of fulfillment of several Bible prophecies.

His points and conclusions are very good and full of hope for the believers.


F.M. Riley (29 Nov 2011)
“Bible study – December”

Seven Days in December…..

By Pastor F. M. Riley

November 28, 2011

     “Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the Master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

     Lest coming suddenly He find you sleeping.

     And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”  

                                                                                                                                         Mark 13:35-37



     This entire year of 2011 has been a fascinating year in view of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.  Those true believers who have seriously studied the prophecies and watched world events, are well aware that many of the “signs” and events predicted to occur in the end time have swiftly moved into place throughout this year.  The year is obviously not over, yet we are now facing the last month in this year on our Gentile calendar.  What will this month bring?  I do not know!  Yet as I face the prospect of the month of December, I can’t help but believe that the events of the previous months in this year are going to seem mild in comparison to what may occur in this coming month of December.   Read and give some serious thought to what follows……


Those who are already rushing to suggest possible “dates” to watch for next year, appear to have totally overlooked this date this year which was one of the most important dates  in the history (and future???) of America.  This date is Kislev 11 on the Jewish calendar.

It was on this date exactly 70 years ago to the day that the Japanese military bombed Pearl Harbor, causing  the United States to enter World War II.   Now I am wondering if that date, which Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was the President of the U.S. at that time, labeled “A day which shall live in infamy,” was an “omen of evil” for this country?  I am made to wonder about this for several reasons…..

[1]   Even as I write several Russian warships are in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Syria, and in the Persian Gulf, facing several U.S. warships which have moved into those same areas over the past two weeks.  Intelligence reports have indicated that it is the intention of the U.S., Israel, and Turkey to attack Syria [and possibly Iran] to the extent of removing Syria’s present dictator from power.  But Russia has notified all three nations involved that an attack on Syria would be considered as an attack on Russia.  Now the warships of both Russia and the U.S. are engaged in a “face off” even as I write.  I cannot help but wonder if this “stand off” will suddenly erupt into a red hot war?  Is it possible that the nations presently involved in this “stand off” will continue to bluster and blow at each other until suddenly on December 7th a red hot war breaks out?  I don’t know!

[2]   I do know that “70” is the Bible number for “the restoration of Israel.”  This causes me to wonder if the U.S. will be suddenly taken out of the end-time scenario on December 7th, exactly 70 years to the day after the treacherous attack on Pearl Harbor?  I do not know!   What I do know is that the prophet Isaiah was given a vision in Isaiah 24 of the destruction of an unnamed nation.  This nation is located at “the uttermost part of the earth” in relation to Israel, 24:16.  Now take a world globe, put your finger on Israel, and then turn the globe to “the uttermost part of the earth” from Israel and see where this unnamed nation is located.  Notice also that as Isaiah sees this vision, it is so terrible that he is moved to cry out, “My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me!  the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously,” Isaiah 24:16.  Is this actually speaking of another treacherous attack on the United States of America?  I do not know!  But we will SOON see, for time is swiftly rushing on!

[3]   The inspired Word states explicitly that the capitol city of Syria, Damascus, a city dating from the dawn of human history after the flood, will be totally destroyed.  “The burden of Damascus, Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap,” Isaiah 17:1.  Is this the time that this prophecy will be


fulfilled?  I don’t know!  But I have long expected this present dispensation to end and the Tribulation to begin with a short red hot war, probably involving the use of nuclear bombs.   It seems reasonable to me that it would require a nuclear bomb to reduce the entire large city of Damascus to “a ruinous heap” in a matter of a few seconds or minutes [?].  It also seems reasonable to me that such an action would be the one thing which would

terrify the whole world [Luke 21:25-26] into rushing to come up with a “peace plan” [covenant] which supposedly

would guarantee peace to Israel and the whole Middle East for seven years, Daniel 9:27.  This would, of course, also bring the antichrist on the world scene presenting himself to Israel and the world as the great “peace maker,”Revelation 6:2.    Is it possible that the nations presently involved in this “stand off” will continue to bluster and blow at each other until suddenly on December 7th a red hot war breaks out?  I do not know!  But we who are “watching” as the Lord told His people to do don’t have long to wait to find out.

[4]   In the prophecy given by the Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, Peter specifically stated, “the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come,” 2:20.  This passage plainly states that these heavenly events will occur “before” the “day of the Lord” [the seven year Tribulation].  All of the other predicted events in the preceding verses [2:17-19] have either occurred or are occurring RIGHT NOW.  But I personally have never found a specific time in this entire present dispensation where verse 20 has been fulfilled.     Notice that verse 20 is immediately preceded by verse 19 which specifically states that the Lord “will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.”  Today we are seeing unprecedented solar flares coming off the Sun, with comets and asteroids flying past the earth and more coming, and  earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, and violent weather occurring, and now the prospect of imminent (possibly nuclear) war.  Is it possible that a combination of all of these things occurring in a matter of hours or even a day or two could totally block out the light of the Sun by day, and cause the Moon as seen through the ash and smoke during the night to appear as “blood”?  Is it possible this could even occur on December 7th?   I don’t know!  But I do know we are living in the end times and Bible prophecy is being fulfilled unlike anything I have every previously seen or even imagined.  Think about it!



     Significantly, there will be a total eclipse of the full Moon on this date [Kislev 14 on the Jewish calendar].  When the full Moon is eclipsed, it does not become totally dark, but rather turns blood red, thereby producing what is sometimes referred to a “blood moon.”  Will this be the fulfillment of Acts 2:20, just shortly preceding the beginning of the Tribulation period?   I don’t know!   But unless the astronomers are completely wrong in their calculations, this “blood moon” will occur on this date.  Another date worth watching!


Ten days later is Kislev 24.  This is the 24th day of the 9th month on the Jewish calendar, or the day which the Jews refer to as “Hanakkuh.”  See Haggai 2:1-23.  The 20th of December on our Gentile calendar is the first day of this Jewish observance, as it is an eight day observance for the Jews.  It was on this day during the time of the Maccabees that the Syrians had been defeated and the Jews reinstituted their Temple worship.  They joyfully re-lighted the Menorah lamps knowing that they only had enough oil to burn for one day, but miraculously the “servant lamp” on the Menorah burned for eight days.  Since that time so many centuries ago, the Jews have observed the eight days of Hanakkuh as one of their most holy observances.

Significantly, some Christian “scholars” believe that Hanakkuh is the day the Lord Jesus Christ was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit of God [Luke 1:30-31], to come and dwell among humanity as “the light of the world.”  I do not know and cannot verify the truth of this belief, but I do find it interesting.   Whether it is true or not, is it possible that He who is indeed “the light of the world” may use this date to “appear in glory” to New Covenant believers and resurrect and rapture them to glory, Colossians 3:4?  I don’t know!  But I do think that in view of the whole world situation right now, the exact position of this Jewish date on the Gentile calendar this year is highly interesting.

I also urge our readers to carefully study John 10:22-40.  It was on one of these days of the Hanakkuh observance that Christ departed from Israel into a Gentile land [John 10:40] before returning to Israel three days later [John 11:6-7] to raise Lazarus from the dead.  The resurrection of Lazarus is a type of the spiritual


resurrection to life of the repentant believing “remnant” of Israel.  Glory to God!   Is it then “possible” that this

Hanakkuh could be the time when the Lord Jesus Christ turns from ministering to the Gentiles and returns to minister to His own Jewish people?  I don’t know!  But I do believe the date is worth “watching.”

This Jewish date this particular year comes exactly ten days after a “blood moon.”  Read Revelation 2:10.  If this Scripture has ever been literally fulfilled in this dispensation, I have never found the time of its fulfillment.  I can’t think of a better time for it to be fulfilled than during this ten day period between December 10th and 20th.

     Then is it “significant” that the very next day is…..



     This day is the “Winter Soltice.”  In other words, on this day fall ceases and winter begins.  Of course this happens every year, so I wouldn’t think much about it except for the world situation right at this time and how the days of the Jewish calendar are falling in relation to the Gentile calendar this year.   I am also reminded of the prophetic lament of the unbelieving Jewish people recorded in Jeremiah 8:20, “The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.”  I think it is obvious that this Scripture is loaded with spiritual meaning.  The harvest apparently applies to the resurrection and rapture of New Covenant believers.  Compare 1 Corinthians 15:35-38.  The reference to “summer” clearly indicates that the lament is made sometime after that season has been concluded.  Of course the lament of the Jews clearly indicates that they have not yet received the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Redeemer.  Could this date this year be the time when this lament comes forth from the unbelieving Jews which are left behind at the rapture?  I don’t know!  All I know for sure is that God’s people are very close to the coming of our Lord to take us home to glory.  These dates in December are worth keeping in mind and “watching.”


The next day, the 22nd of December, is the shortest day of the year.  From ancient times the Pagans have observed this day as the death of the old Sun god.  On the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, each day contains almost exactly the same amount of “daylight.”  But then after three days and three nights [according to ancient Paganism] of the old Sun god being dead, the new Sun god for the next year emerges on…..



     This day is longer by several minutes than the three preceding days.  This is why the Pagans almost from the time of Noah’s flood, long before the first coming of Christ, observed this day as the birth of the new Sun god.  This is obviously also why, after the first coming of Christ, this day was adopted by apostates from Christianity [1 John 2:18-19] as the day when Christ was born, and eventually was received into the ranks of “professing Christianity.”  Now wouldn’t it be amazing if this year “Lucifer” [Isaiah 14:12-16] chooses this day to make his appearance to the world?  No, I’m not predicting anything!  I am “watching” and seriously studying exactly as the Lord told all of His people to do.   If you are a true believer, try it!  You’ll like it!


This date is the last day of Hanakkuh on the Jewish calendar, a “new moon,” and the first day of the Jewish month of Tevet, the 10th month on the Jewish calendar.  “10” is the Bible number for “the Law” [Torah].  Could this be the time when the last seven years of the Law is reinstituted upon the unbelieving Jewish people?  Read Daniel 9:24-27 and keep in mind that Israel was living under the Law when this prophecy was given, and only 69 weeks [483 years] of that appointed time period have been fulfilled.  Unbelieving Israel and the Jewish people still have 7 more years of Law to fulfill!  Think about it!


Dear readers, I don’t know if anything prophetically significant will occur on any of these days.  But I do know that time is running out!  The resurrection and rapture of New Covenant believers has to be very close.  The


beginning of the terrible Tribulation period is staring humanity in the face RIGHT NOW.  The month of December  could be the most significant month of this entire year.  Whether it will be is entirely in the hands of the Lord.  Nevertheless, I will keep right on “watching” and praying daily and holding fast “the blessed hope” [Titus 2:11-15] of our Lord’s coming until the very day His glorious shout falls on my ears, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and our Lord comes to take His people “home” to glory.  I hope every reader will meet me in glory.  Please don’t disappoint me.

Please feel free to use this study as the Lord leads.  In the love of Christ,

Pastor F. M. Riley


Amy VanGerpen (28 Nov 2011) “RE: Daniel Matson – The 70 Weeks – What starts the 70th?”

The coming wars of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are not the same.


Amy VanGerpen (28 Nov 2011)
RE: Daniel Matson – The 70 Weeks – What starts the 70th?

Excerpt from Daniel’s Matson’s letter:

This invasion into Israel after the Rapture is one of opportunity. As is easily demonstrated, the Islamic world has unsuccessfully tried but continues to plot the destruction of Israel. The amount of weaponry now stockpiled is staggering. All is left is for Iran to get “the bomb”. In Ezekiel’s War, the key to the timing is that this war comes after Israel has become a nation again and is dwelling confidently in the Land (Ezekiel 38:14). This is all true today (some say the word for “confidently’ means “peace”, but at what level of peace is enough? Until the surrounding Islamic armies are destroyed, it will remain the status quo.) We also know from Ezekiel that the ending of this war shows that God is once again working with Israel (Ezekiel 39:22) . In Micah 7, an invasion from the north is described as coming after the summer harvest and after the righteous have departed the land (Rapture). Micah then continues that now is Israel’s time of perplexity. Likewise, in Psalm 83, the invaders are said to have plotted against Israel and the “hidden ones”. Based on Psalm 27:5, Isaiah 26:19-21, Zephaniah 2:3, and John 14:1-3, “the hidden ones” are those who are protected by what is now known as the Rapture of the Church.
………………..Therefore, Psalm 83 and the Ezekiel War are at the same time due to the fact that they occur at this transitional time from the Church after it has departed and back to Israel being proved as God’s people and land. They are thus the same war even though the list of invaders in each passage is different. Psalm 83 describes those people close to Israel where Ezekiel mentions those at a distance (and Ezekiel even says his list is partial. Ezekiel 38:9). Now there are those who see two separate wars, such as a Psalm 83 war prior to the war found in Ezekiel. However, as we have seen, the Psalm 83 war occurs after the removal of the “hidden ones” or known as the Rapture. Ezekiel’s War is also at the time Israel is renewed. The problem with creating separate wars here is that Ezekiel speaks that the war was foretold by other prophets (Ezekiel 38:17), and therefore, similar pieces found in the Old Testament must go together, otherwise Ezekiel is left in contradiction.  The passages that do fit, concern a war to rid the Middle East of Israel after they have been gathered in unbelief and just before God reveals himself (Ezekiel 38:16) through his deliverance of Israel, which is at the start of the 70th Week. We know that God saving Israel in Ezekiel is the first momentous occasion of God delivering Israel after their return to the land, but for Psalm 83 to be separate and prior to this war would mean that another deliverance would have to occur which would violate the significance of Ezekiel’s War. It must then be one war that they all lie in wait for the right moment to finish the job once the departure of the Church and friend of Israel has occurred.

Daniel, there are many differences between the Psalm 83 War and the Ezekiel 38 War, the main one being that Israel defeats her enemies with massive firepower in the Psalm 83 War, while God personally strikes the Gog and Magog armies Himself.  With regard to “other prophets”, the Ezekiel 38 War is a parallel to Joel 2.  It is also very possible that there were other prophets that spoke the same prophetic Word before Ezekiel, but it was not written down as Scripture.  In fact, we see all over the Old Testament that there were hundreds of true prophets, but only a select few wrote Scripture.  In other words, I see no contradiction to Ezekiel 38:17 with there being other prophets who spoke the same Word. 

I do not believe that Israel has reached the confident feeling of “peace and safety” as required before the Ezekiel War.  The Psalm 83 war, however, would nicely fulfill that requirement.  In fact, the following passage from Ezekiel, which I believe is describing the Psalm 83 War, uses the same Hebrew word for “dwelling securely” as in Ezkiel 38:

Ezekiel 28:25-26 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the LORD their God.”‘”

I believe that the Psalm 83 will take place right after the rapture, with the Abrahamic land covenant confirmed is the aftermath, followed in short order by the Ezekiel War.  I go into great detail of why in the following study and studies linked within it here:

Amy Van Gerpen


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November 28, 2011 at 11:23 pm

Nov 28, 2011 Before or after the disappearance go here

Good link to go if you want to know what happened with millions gone in an instant.


Sara B (28 Nov 2011)

Dear Doves,
As it seems we may be Going Home Soon, we again send a Website that will be useful to the Last Ones Coming to Salvation and also to those loved ones who may be Left Behind.  Our suggestion is to print out the pages of the following website and leave them in envelopes as we have done.  If the internet is still up and running after the Rapture, hopefully they will visit the following website.  In the last few months, we have directed many unsaved people to this Website in hopes of their salvation!  It is very basic and easy to understand.
Here is the website:

Sara B. and the Prayer Warriors


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November 28, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Nov 28, 2011 Earthquakes and War Preparations are we there yet?

In this link below Mr. Gary Stearman of 10 minutes news program covers two subjects, earthquakes and the preparations for war in the Middle East.

Are we there yet? is a famous questions of kids when they embark in a car trip with the family, the answer is no but it wont be long, we are almost there.

The preparations for war discussed in the short video are worrisome in that they involve the USA and Russia taking opposite sides in this conflict that seems to spread like wildfire well beyond the immediate area of the countries involved. If things get out of hand it can be the dreaded WWIII that starts the Apocalypse with the white horse (USA) battling the red horse (Russia).




Clay Cantrell (28 Nov 2011) “The Account of December 5, 1997” (do not miss reading the whole thing! Nando))

It is with great pleasure that I read this post today of Clay Cantrell’s walk with the Lord and his revealing of things that are to come and the numbers that tie them together.

There is so much information in this post that it requires careful scrutiny and observation.

Thank you Clay for giving us the insight into your journey and communications with the Lord.


Clay Cantrell (28 Nov 2011)
The Account of December 5, 1997

Readers –

when it gets to be this time of year, I post this link. this is especially for new readers that may not be familiar with my testimony.

it gives a partial accounting of a supernatural visitation from God that started December 5th, 1997 and lasted for about eight days. The power of God that was on me because of His presence stayed well into 1998, though, and two months later i was still feeling it.

thanks to John Tng for keeping it up on his main home page!

special note:
there is one error in the Update re Ascensions section, which I will have to correct at some point.

that Dream of the White Rooms occurred on March 23, 2010

not August 23, as I mistakenly typed in the account.

the correct date is pretty important actually.


I finished this post at 5 PM and went to the grocery store to buy the weekly groceries. Before I went I had the opportunity to read all of your posts today in fivedoves and all the time I kept thinking that in some of your posts it was difficult for me to follow your numbers and was left in limbo as to the reasons you used to go the way you did and the conclusions that you formulate from the numbers that you choose.

The message that you are transmitting is intended for the church and in the church most of the members lack a mathematical and scientific education to follow complex numbers and conclusions.

I take it very seriously that the Lord has inspired or shown things to you with the purpose of enlightening His body of believers and for that reason you must labor more to present your material in a logical and more explained manner so that most of the doves and readers can follow you better.

I was debating whether to write this critique all the time that I was at the groceries but I feel that the Lord answer that question for me when I reached the car to load the groceries. Parked next to me was a car with the license plate 777_ XDQ and as you know the 777 is God’s # and the probability of seeing it when three numbers are involved is 1/1000 so I am doing it at 6:30 PM.

To illustrate my point I am going to put below a page I did today for one of my clients withthe purpose of showing you the material that I handle daily and to show you that only a very trained person in my field would feel comfortable in understanding what is there without a very detailed explanation,

Here it goes:




DATE: 11-28-11




Design of stair beams A (Rectangular HSS 10x2x3/16) (S = 8.74 in3)(Span = 10’-0”)

                                         (Steel A500 Grade B)



DL tube = 14.53 PLF

DL steel tread 3/16” = (7.66 x 1.83’ x 2.83’) x 12/11 = 43.3 PLF

Conc. 2” tread filler = (2.08 x 12 x 2.83’) x 12/11 = 77.1 PLF

DL railing = 25 PLF

wLL = 100 PSF x 2.83’ = 283 PLF

wtotal = 14.53 + 43.3 + 77.1 + 283 = 418 PLF

End reaction R = 418 x 10 / 2 = 2,090 #

M = wl2 / 8 = 418 x 102 / 8 = 5,225 ft-lb

Fb = 0.66 x 42,000 = 27,720 psi

fb = M / S = 5,225 x 12 / 8.74 = 7,174 psi < Fb  Ok


Design of member D


Plate ½” x 8” x 6’-1”

Steel A36

S = bd2/6 = 0.5 x 82 / 6 = 5.33 in3

End reaction R = 2,090 #

Moment M = 2,090 x 8.5” = 17,765 in-lb

Fb = 0.75 Fy = 0.75 x 36,000 = 27,000 psi

fb = M / S = 17,765 / 5.33 = 3,333 psi < Fb   Ok


Check 3/16” fillet welds in 2” x 4” holes  


Allowable load of 3/16” E70xx per inch = 2,780 #/in

Total allow. Force of vert. welds = (4” + 4”) x 2,780 = 22,240 #

End reaction R = 2,090 #    Ok


Check 3/16” plate at treads (span 5’-8”)


Live Load = 300 # or 100 plf

Dead load = 43.3 + 77.1 = 120.4 #/ft

Moment M1 = Pl/4 + wl2/8 = (300 x 5.67’ / 4) + (120.4 x 5.672 / 8) = 909.1 ft-lb or

Moment M2 = wl2/8 = 220 x 5.672 / 8 = 884.1 ft-lb

Properties from Autocad properties

Ix = 14.776 in4 , Sxtop = 2.64 in3 , Sxbot = 11.09 in3

Fb = 0.75 x 36,000 = 27,000 psi

fb = M / S = 909.1 x 12  / 2.64 = 4,132 psi < Fb  Ok


Now if I had to explain this sheet to a non trained person my presentation would have to include a lot more information than just the above.

This is the design of two stair beams marked A in the drawing that is included and the beams are made of two (High Strength Beams) HSS with a width of 2″ and a depth of 10″ whose thickness is 3/16″  and with a Section Modulus (a property that relates to the capacity of the member to carry load in units of inches cubed)  S =8.74 whose horizontal distance from supports (first to second floor) is ten feet.

Design of stair beams A (Rectangular HSS 10x2x3/16) (S = 8.74 in3)(Span = 10’-0”)

This may not make it understandable to all who read it, but the amount of people that do understand it will be more.

Now my point is also if I had trouble following you at times and I live with numbers, although different ones, others will not even bother when it is such an important message from the Lord that is shown to you.

In brotherly conversation and not unbelief,