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Is today the start of the 7 year Tribulation? Are the two witnesses coming today?


Janet Herscu has posted a comment in this blog today with the last timeline scenario that can be discerned with the scriptures and the events in the past. If today goes by and there is no Rapture it is not over yet, but the Rapture is a floating event that is not discernible.   Now the beginning of the 7 years of Apocalypse is another thing. The Tribulation is event dependent and time constrained. For starters the maximum end is limited by the prophecy relating to the birth of the Nation of Israel and also to the recapture of Jerusalem.

As the article explains the signing of the covenant by the Antichrist (Obama) could be done in secret and the fact not released at that moment or released at a date that is politically expedient to gain advantage in the coming elections.

It is well to remember that the first seal of Revelation 6:1 opens with the white horse and its rider the Antichrist (Obama) this could have happened in heaven and not known on earth by humans. I am speculating that Satan and the fallen angels are aware that this has occurred at the time it does. So all may seem uneventful for a time till the second seal the red horse of war is opened in heaven by the lamb. At this point the events on earth will be very obvious to see as WWIII would have started. It could be a few days or one or two weeks for the full destruction to be manifested and even more time for the full nuclear exchanges to take place.

It is at this point that to me it would be very difficult to see how the true church of Jesus Christ could still be here on earth and not Raptured by Jesus.

So the facts are here for all to see and to those of us watchers it is becoming exceedingly difficult to encapsulate all the events and prophecies in a coherent and true timeline.

A very definitive sign that we are in the Tribulation is the appearance of the two witnesses that according to Rev 11 start their ministry on the first day of the Tribulation and end 1, 260 days after.

Janet your work has been extensive and well thought and I thank you for the post, but even after tomorrow it may still be mostly right.

Nando

Janet Herscu’s post below:

Submitted on 2012/10/08 at 3:16 am

After tomorrow (Monday/Tish 22/Oct 8), I’m done. Tomorrow is STILL Succoth, you know…..albeit the 8th Day therof. Note that eveything related to Jesus is NUMBER 8 (hope you still have my chart of the 8′s!); so the 8th Day of this great Feast is VERY significant.

Just for the fun of it (& for ‘old times’ sake’) I’ll review the scenario as I presume it now (one last time).

1-yr warn: Oct 8, 2011 (Yom Kip) to Oct 8, 2012 = 1 solar yr.

1 Jewish yr-warning: Oct 20, 2011 (Tish 22) to Oct 8, 2012 (Tish 22) = 1 Jewish yr (355…SHANA/Heb #’s).

Return (Aug 30, 2019/Av 29) plus 30 days is ROSH HASHANA, 2019, yr 5780 when Jesus enters the Temple with the Remnant (Isa 63).

Rosh Hashana 2019, when Jesus REconsecrates the Temple, is exactly 2300 days (+3 uncounted at mid trib) past JUNE 10, 2013, 46th anniv end 6-day war; so June 10, 2013 starts 3rd Temple Worship/live sacrifices (desecration).

June 10, 2013 is 7 mths (burying bodies/bldg 3rd Temple) past Nov 10-21, 2012, 40+ (?) days past the Rapture during which the N. Invasion will occur ending at the Divine Victory in Israel’s mts/Ezek 38-39 (hail/quake).

Mid trib (a.c. ‘rises’ & kills Elij & Moses) is March 21, 2016, ARIES 1 (8th sign/Lamb) plus 3+ days Elijah and Moses rise (all see).

Return plus 52 days (75 days total minus the 23-day tilt loss at earth’s straightening) is TISHREI 22; thus the entire trib is TISH 22 (2012) to TISH 22 (2019).

Rapture on Tishrei 22, 2012 is also exactly 21 days past ROSH, 2012, the 5th Feast……thus the projected hindsight view of the scenario when earth is straight will be AS the Rapture having occurred on Rosh…thus 5th Feast fulfilled. Note also the 21-day ‘delay’ in the Angel Michael’s battle/Dan 12.

The 7-day warning was TISH 15 to TISH 22 (as Noah’s 7-day warning before flood).

At the end of the trib both calendars & the Mazzarot will be in sync: OCT 21-22, TISH 22, SCOR 22.

Also, Oct 21-22 plus 360 days (1st perf Millen yr) will be Oct 15, 2020, TISHREI 15 each yr from then on (Tabernacles/Zech 14).

IF there was a ‘secret’ SIGNING 3 days before the Rapture (Oct 5), then that was LIBRA 15, exact middle of the sign of JUDGMENT (balanced judg). Also is SIGNING was on Oct 5, then exactly 2550 days reach Jesus’ Entrance into the Temple on Rosh Hashana, 2019.

Shemini Atzeret (TISHREI 22/8th Day of SUCCOTH) is the LAST DAY OF THE LAST FEAST, THUS LAST TRUMP.

Know too that TISH 22 was Jesus’ Circum Day.

Jesus Returns Av 29, 2019 which is still in the ROSH yr of 5779, end of the Pyramid timeline of Rosh 2011 to Rosh 2018 and matching the 5779 inches/ht of Pyramid w/ capstone and the 5779-degree Kelvin temp of the sun.

Jesus Returns in 2019, Isa 19:19 is the Pyramid verse, Rev 19:1 is the Return (all 19′s….interesting).

Review the 18 ‘uncounted yrs’ and minus the 18 yrs from ROSH 2019 (Temple Entrance) to arrive at the legal START of the MILLENNIUM at 2001 (6001), right on schedule (albeit it may be hard to ‘swallow’ such presumption as those 18 ‘uncounted’ yrs).

All is fine w/ the three 1260′s, the 1290, the 1335, the 7 mths, exact 7 Jewish yrs trib, the 2300 and the 2550. But, WOW!…..Jesus surely is handling all of this in the ‘FULLNESS of TIME.’ Remember that the Red Sea opened up at the LAST SECOND before death to the Hebrews. He waited til the last minute for everything else too.

If we’re still here late tomorrow, I’ve done all this study for nothing and likely discouraged fellow watchers!…..SO SORRY!!…..been fun while it lasted, though………..and after tomorrow (as I ‘ponder a post-trib Rapture’…ugh!…..as if it matters!) I may tune in to Jim Bakker’s show for my 7-yr supply of food!….the chocolate pudding w/ its 20 ingredients looks especially good; then I may also tune in to Irvin Baxter’s scarey end-times program and try to glean any hope for possible survival as I prepare for enduring the opening of the horrific seals & the dreadful vials to be poured out upon the earth. I just hate for these 2 guys to have the ‘last say’…………..J.H.

Oh yes…..and Elijah and Moses RISE on PURIM (II Adar 14) 2016, Mar 24. I can’t leave that out!

Nando

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  1. Hi,

    When the disciples asked Jesus about the signs of the day of the Lord (in Matt 24), He first give signs of time, which indicates a period of time like world evangalism etc. But these signs are not real clear to say “this is the exact moment” only in 24:15 He said: “When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place”

    So this will be for all people be the first real ‘momentum’. According to the reveleations this will be halfway! the tribulation period. So, we will not witness the signing of that covenant mentioned in Daniel, or the two witnesses at first. Otherwise Jesus would have said so.

    Also we need to be sure about the moment of rapture. There are many theories. Since 20th century people started to believe in a pre-trib rapture. This theorie originated in the katholic church for as long as the church is raptured before tribulation, the church itself can not be the anti-christ (witch was the believe before that)
    Also the pre-trib was easy to believe for people, for it states that we don’t haveto face tribulation, and we could use it as a fear-based evangelism. (repent or maybe your parents ar eraptured and you are left behind)

    But lately the pre-wrath theorie is getting more popular. This states that the church wil be reaptured at the end of the great tribulation and just before the wrath of God (after the 6th seal)

    There are numerous proof for this thearie, all just to find by reading the Bible as it says, without any theoretical view. Just bij reading what Jesus said in Mat 24 for example. You can also read the difference of situation in heaven between 5th and 6th seal. And watch the signs of sun an moon…etc.

    trumpet

    October 9, 2012 at 6:25 am

    • The appearance of the two witnesses at the first day of the Tribulations as recorded in Rev 11 was a vision given to John to write down for future generations.
      I do not believe that the church will pass by the second seal. The first seal may be a possibility.
      Nando

      twelvebooks

      October 9, 2012 at 10:14 am

      • What if, just what if the catching away isn’t until after the trib period and not at the beginning. Anyone that tries to understand the end time knows that you can take 3 of the sharpest people about the word and have 3 different ideas. Pre-mid-post, so what concerns me is how many people are living for the prerapture and it doesn’t happen. Will they wonder since I have been lied to about this what else am I being lied to about. Could this be a possible catalyst for the falling away, I don’t know. If it happens at the beginning, yeah baby. But if not we are to trust Jesus through it. People say, we weren’t appointed to suffer wrath,,, we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit, we won’t suffer the wrath that our Father is sending, it will passover us. Just a thought
        gary

        Gary Angel

        October 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm


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