The Soon Coming Wars Against Israel Jan 23, 2013
This blog is dedicated to the prophecies of the Bible and to the sounding of the alarm of the soon to come seven year Apocalypse. It is important to understand the prophecies in the Bible concerning these times and the various roles that the Nations of the world will be playing during those 7 years to understand how close we are to their fulfillment.
The key to the understanding of God’s plan is to understand the role that the chosen nation of Israel will play in these years of Apocalypse. This small Nation of Israel will be the vortex of a whirlwind of events that will bring destruction and judgment to all the Nations of the world. The fate of all the Nations will depend on the position that they take in this struggle of the Nations to thwart God’s plan to establish His Kingdom here on earth and rule from Jerusalem.
Several wars are predicted to take place preceding and during the Apocalypse. Two major ones are listed in Psalm 83 and another on Ezekiel 38-39.
The article below by Amy Van Gerpen links a video by pastor JD Faraq of His Sunday prophecy update and she comments on the identity of the Hagarites being the Saudis and not the Egyptians. From the political and religious fervent that is taking place at this moment on Egypt and the stand that president Morci took against Israel I suspect greatly that pastor Faraq is correct in his identification of these people as Egyptians. It is also possible that Saudis are also the descendants.
Pastor Faraq has done an excellent job of explaining the difference between these two prophecies and his geographical charts are very illustrative and comprehensive of the geopolitical and military situation in the ground at the present time.
His observation that these prophecies are time sensitive is also very good, you can see the conflict that is taking place at this time in Syria and in Egypt as well as the recent conflict with Hamas in Gaza.
Psalm 83 can become reality at any time in the very near future, and in Israel the position of the prime minister Netanyahu has been weakened by the latest elections. This could be erroneously seen as a point of weakness in Israel by their enemies.
Amy VanGerpen (22 Jan 2013)
“Mid-East Update – January 20th, 2013 – Pastor JD Farag“
Pastor JD does an in-depth study of the prophecy in Psalm 83, and why it may now be on the cusp of being fulfilled.
There is one item from the video I’d like to comment on:
Who are they? Well, again, these are the descendants of Hagar. Well, now, wait a minute: what’s the difference between the Hagarites and the Ishmaelites? Well, now think it through: Hagar went on to have more children after Ishmael, right? So because they came from Hagar does not make them Ishmaelites, because they … were not descendants of Ishmael.So what does that all mean? Well, these are, again, Egyptians. These are Egyptians.
I emailed Pastor Farag several months ago about pegging the Hagarites as Egypt, and the reasons I disagree with this. He never responded. Since then, I haven’t heard him include Egypt in the Psalm 83 group again until this week. It looks like he is trying to “reason” Egypt into the group. He has made a huge assumption that Hagar had more children. Even if they did, how do we know the father of these assumed children was from Egypt? Here is my argument against including Egypt in Psalm 83:
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Ishmaelites and Hagrites:
The Ishmaelites, as a people, migrated to the area of eastern Jordan and into Saudi Arabia:
Genesis 25:17-18 – These were the years of the life of Ishmael: one hundred and thirty-seven years; and he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his people. (They dwelt from Havilah as far as Shur, which is east of Egypt as you go toward Assyria.) He died in the presence of all his brethren.
The Ishmaelites disappeared from history after the time of David’s reign. Most assume that they absorbed into the surrounding people, and represent many of the Arabs that live in Israel’s neighboring countries.
The Hagrites were Ishmaelites who took the matron name:
In Gen 25:12-18 are recorded the descendants, “generations,” of Ishmael, “whom Hagar the Egyptian Sarah’s handmaid, bare unto Abraham.” Two, and possibly three, of these tribes, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah (25:15), appear to be identical with the 3 tribes whom the Reubenites and the other Israelite tribes East of the Jordan conquered and dispossessed (1 Ch 5). The correspondence of names in Gen and 1 Ch leaves little doubt that “Hagrite” is a generic term roughly synonymous with “Ishmaelite,” designating the irregular and shifting line of desert tribes stretching along the East and South of Israel. Those “East of Gilead,” “Jetur, Naphish and Nodah,” were overcome by Reuben: “The Hagrites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them. …. And they took away their cattle …. they dwelt in their stead until the captivity” (1 Ch 5:20-22).http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/H/HAGRITES/
The Bible shows us that the Hagrites migrated east of Israel and lived in eastern Jordan (Gilead was in northwest Jordan):
1 Chronicles 5:10 – Now in the days of Saul they made war with the Hagrites, who fell by their hand; and they dwelt in their tents throughout the entire area east of Gilead.
Some believe that the Hagrites in Psalm 83 represent Egypt because Hagar was originally from Egypt. From the sources I could find, most believe that the Hagrites settled in Jordan and Arabia. The Bible supports this, as the passage above tells us the Hagrites migrated east of Israel:
I believe it is a stretch to say that the largely unknown Hagrites represent Egypt, as Egypt is otherwise a very prominent country throughout the Bible. Let me explain it in a different way:
Hagar had Ishmael through Abraham, and Sarah had Isaac through Abraham. For arguments sake, let’s call the people of the future country of Israel the “Sarities.” Sarah was a Syrian. Using the same argument about the Hagrites representing the Egyptians, we could argue that the “Sarities” would represent Syria in the future. Obviously, that just isn’t the case. We understand that a new nation formed through the line of Sarah and Isaac. After the captivity in Egypt, these people settled in the land of Canaan and became Israel. All the future prophecies about Israel are about Israel (“Sarites”), not Syria.
The point here is that we need to look at where the Hagrites migrated and settled, not where they originated from. Both the Bible and history confirm that the Hagrites settled east of Israel.
Amy Van Gerpen
The following video is about the same subject as the above by Prophecy in the News.