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May 8, 2014 Thank you Pastor Bob

Pastor Bob I read both letters and I liked them very much. Please keep up the instructions as your time permits, it is widely needed.

The material that you present is needed for the proper dividing of the Word and understanding prophetic scripture. It saddens me to see the lack of knowledge in the body of Christ and Christians in general. Many do not want to grow past the drinking of milk and as a consequence they are tossed back and forth with every doctrine of demons.

Thank you again.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2014/pastorbob54-3.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2014/pastorbob54-4.htm

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May 7, 2014 The Limestone stones for the Third Temple were shiped to Israel in the 1970’s

Pastor Bob gives a first hand eye witness account of the transport of the Temple stones. Thanks Pastor Bob.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2014/pastorbob54-1.htm

Pastor Bob (4 May 2014)
To Diane Gilbert


Yes it is true.  The Grand Orient Lodge of Freemasonry of Boston, MA. ordered the 60,000 tons of Bedford limestone just weeks following the 1972 recapture of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.  I’ll explain this and if you would like to verify this I can provide you a link.  The Grand Orient Lodge actually acted as the “go-between” in the deal by the British Freemasons.  They acted as agents and handled the logistics, finances, and legal details on behalf of London’s
The Jews are not alone in wanting control of the Temple Mount to build their 3rd Temple.  Rome wants it and so does the Masons as well.  The fact is the Vatican/Freemasonry/Jesuitism/Knights of Malta, all serve Lucifer.  There are a few other groups that I can’t name here.  The 19th degree of ‘Morals and Dogma’  written by Brigadier-General Albert Pike identifies who it is they worship, i.e., Lucifer.  Masons are given a copy of this but few bother to read it because most only complete the 3 degrees of the Blue Lodge of Freemasonry.  This can be easily verified because many sites on the Internet have the bible of Masonry.  Think about it for a minute, what is the benefit of holding or controlling the Temple Mount, after all it’s God Special place in Jerusalem!  The very definition of Antichrist is “one who stands in for the Christ”.
I have studied Masonry and its relationships since it became a formal secret society in 1711 or there about.  There is more to all of this than what I can share in a post like this.
Back when the stones were moved by rail car I was pastoring a United Methodist Church in North Braddock, PA.  My son was three years old and we would go to the Pennsylvania Railroad’s Pitcairn, PA freight classification yard and kill and hour or two watching the freight trains coming and going.  I was a model railroad and rail fan for most of my life as a hobby.  I knew the tower operators on a first name basis and knew all the switchmen as well.  When I was twelve years old I would often ride my bike 12 miles from Pittsburgh to the Pitcairn yard, my parents never knew this, I never told them.
I took pictures of the rail cars from ground-side as well as from an overhead bridge at the yard’s entrance.  This movement of between 3 and 6 to 8 cars occurred nearly daily for the better part of nine months.  The order was for 60,000 tons, and I can only guess the weight of each of the cut stones. The older gondola cars had weight load limits of 40-50 tons per car.  Bedford Limestone is located in southeast Indiana.   The cars were hauled from Bedford to Madison by specially weighted diesel-electric locomotives for handling the steep grade to Madison, Indiana.  The cars moved to the PRR yard in Indianapolis where a St. Louis to New Jersey freight train would pick them up.  At the Pitcairn yard, the train would be re-crewed and helper locomotives would be put on the rear of the train and be pushed most of the way to Altoona, PA.
As I stated, the cars bore cardboard placards on the sides of the cars, they stated explicitly:  “Destination Kearny, NJ – Export to Israel”.  It was those placard signs that actually caught my attention as the reason for taking pictures of the cars from the ground as well as from above bridge above.  I recall when I was in college, serving three rural churches as a student-pastor, when the 1967 “six day” war took place.  One of my members came running across the street to my parsonage one morning as I was cleaning up from cutting the grass in my yard.  She wanted to know if this was Armageddon.  She was so excited, but I couldn’t give her an answer.  It was because of this that I began my learning about Bible prophecy.  I felt so dumb and I was a pre-ministry student and didn’t know much behind or about the Israelis being attacked.  So in my ignorance and need to know how to answer my congregation, I became a prophecy student.  Its almost fifty years now.  Sorry to be so windy.
When I was a student at Pittsburgh Theological Cemetery I subscribed to Billy Graham’s magazine “Christianity Today”.  The August 4th, 1967 edition reports of what I have stated in this and previous posts.  There is an interesting article on this at – http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/temple.htm – you can download it and print it out, or read it on the net.  I know of other sites that have posted articles on the 3rd Temple, and noted the existence of the stones.  I have talked with Randal Price, an archeologist, and truly an “expert” on the Third Temple
A friend of mine on the railroad, now deceased and a former VP of the PRR’s Pittsburgh Region, Joe Spreng told me that the order required 500 carloads to complete the shipment.  Back in those days, there was not the hostility issue and such information was not as hush-hush because of its implications.
My suspicion is that the stones have been hidden in the desert, perhaps covered with sand.  I have never been able to learn much after that.  For about a year after seeing the cars loaded with the Temple stones I tried to learn more, but this was before the day of the Internet access to sources and information.  The very mention of a Third Temple and the presence of the stones would be incitement issues for the Palestinians and radical Muslims.
In moving years ago I sold my collection of railroad memorabilia – including a hundred thousand 35mm slides, thousands of pictures, scale models, and so much more.  I had to sell it all, as I was trying to keep from losing a house that I built.  I was an unsecured creditor for a corporation that filed bankruptcy for $135-million dollars.  They owed me thousands and I did lose my house to the bank in their bankruptcy.
From where I sit at the moment, being able to witness the movement of the Third Temple stones, I truly considered myself blessed and often saw it as providential because it confirms the Israelis do plan to build a “third” Temple.  I chuckle when I hear people dismiss the idea as absurd and even unbiblical.
Hope you find this helpful.
Pastor Bob

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May 7, 2014 at 5:52 pm

May 7, 2014 The codes of the Bible by Gary Stearman and Bob Ulrich

In this conversation about the Bible codes we are introduced to the Torah code and the seven and nine lamps Menorahs. The Torah code in the first five books is what can be said to equal a skeleton of structure that is beyond the possibility of occurring by chance. It serves the purpose that a paper watermark has in the identification of its mill. The text then becomes not different parts put together to tell a story but a testimony of the brilliance of its author.

Gary and Bob do a wonderful job of guiding you about this mysterious phenomenon that create the structure that builds Bible. It can also be thought of as the glue that ties it all together and that will not let any of its parts to be taken out and will not let any placed in.

Sixty six 66 books in the Bible and is there a relationship to the 66 years that Israel will celebrate seven 7 days from now?

Are the twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet pointing to the year 2022 for the start of the millenium after the second coming of Jesus Christ?

Is it a coincidence that seven 7 years after the blood moons tetrad ending in 2015 we get to the year 2022?

Our God is great!!!!!!!!!!

Nando

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May 7, 2014 Prophecy Burnout, Ready to Give Up, The Antidote is Imminence, by Gary Stearman

The day before yesterday Gary Stearman and Bob Ulrich posted a conversation they had about prophecy. The main theme was what to do about prophecy burnout, giving up or scoffers, both in and out of the Christian community.

Many years ago about 1976 I started reading and studying the Bible and being an avid reader of many subjects I bought a book called the Great Late Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. This book opened my spiritual eyes on the study of prophecy.

In the year 1980 I had concluded that Israel was and by the way it still is a prophetic alarm clock that was set to start working and ticking prophetic time and fulfillment in May 14, 1948. This extraordinary prophetic clock will keep ticking till all the prophecies concerning the Rapture of the church, the start of the Tribulations and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are fulfilled.

As Gary points out Israel is the key for prophecy fulfillment and scoffers will come and go but if Israel exists and is striving then its prophetic role is on schedule.

As we view the march of history and see the many aspects of prophecy fulfillment in the world at large we get more and more the full picture of what God illustrated in His prophetic revelations. This video covers many salient points and historical facts that make it a fantastic prophetic encouragement.

Nando

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May 5, 2014 (Jim Bramlett (4 May 2014) “40 SIGNS JESUS IS COMING”)

There are many reasons why we should be expecting the return of Jesus Christ to occur at any moment now. The video with Christine Darg puts into an order the prophecies  and reasons why. Thanks to Jim Bramlet.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2014/jim54-2.htm

Jim Bramlett (4 May 2014)
40 SIGNS JESUS IS COMING


Dear friends:Middle East missionary friend, Christine Darg, has a new video titled “40 SIGNS JESUS IS COMING” available at http://jerusalemchannel.tv/latest-video. She provides some interesting insights, some of which you may not be aware.

I have known Christine and her husband Peter for many years.  Both have been on the mission field for decades, mostly in Israel, where they have resided for years.

I urge you to connect with their ministry and be a blessing to Israel, and I believe God will bless you for doing so.

Jim

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May 3, 2014 Is Christian Rock music Christian? Is rock music demonic?

These two parts articles are very good and right on the point. It describes the nature of true God pleasing music as the Bible has shown us. Most of us know the musical talents that Satan has and how he has used them to lure humanity to it. The appeal of this music to the masses is beyond question and what parent doesn’t have children snared in rock listening? Constant prayers are required to break the spell of this demonic trap.

Nando

http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/gray7.html

Christian Rock Music

“Is it possible to Worship Satan in the name of Jesus?”

Part One

By Vernon Gray

“All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any” (1 Corinthians 6:12).

“All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not” (1 Corinthians 10:23).

“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Music was created to be a language of the human spirit. It was never meant to be called the language of the soul. Man is a spiritual creature and singing is one of mankind’s highest ideals. Life without music and singing would be dull and empty. Not only is music a language of our human spirit, it is also a primary language of our worship.

The human spirit is our direct line of communion with God. Spiritual singing unites us to Him for fellowship and life. “Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord” (Ephesians 5:19). Singing was ordained by God to be full of Him, His words, and answers that satisfy our daily longing after Him.

Modern music is similar to modern art and modern living; it is full of questions and very few answers. Rick Warren calls his church, “The flock that rocks.” You are not likely to find a liberal church that is now called the “emerging church” that sings gospel music. Modern/Contemporary music is the music of churches that have left the fundamentals of Holy Scripture. There is something wrong when someone does not have enough time to read the Word of God, but does have enough time to listen to “Christian rock” for their daily manna.

For the most part the influence of “Christian rock” is that it is irreverent, worldly and it promotes the god of self, which is characterized by dulling of the spirit and elevating the flesh. The very name “Christian pock” is a misnomer. It is the same as: “Christian murder,” “Christian porn” or “Christian adultery.” (Is that adultery between two Christians?)

Many people use music as a “pep-up” or anti-depressant in an effort to drown out what is bothering them. Any music that places the rhythm and harmony above the melody will appeal to the flesh. In truly spiritual songs, the primary most noticeable part of the music is the melody.

Think about this…Why is a night club so dark? Why are there strobe lights? Why is the music so loud? Because it is designed to produce a sensual experience for the ear. Bright lighting would get your mind to scrutinize your surroundings with more clarity. The sheer volume of sound discourages the rational thought, encouraging you to subordinate your soul and get you to respond physically; body first, mind second.

Add alcohol or drugs to the mix and your reasoning is further impaired by dulling the conscience and allowing the passion to rule. It is essentially a fleshly atmosphere targeting the flesh. Consider the following Scripture:

1 Corinthians 2: 9-16 :“But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

If the Christian has the mind of Christ and is producing Christian music, will the ungodly be able to appreciate it? Can someone who is dead in spirit truly understand it and participate in it?

Spiritual music DOES NOT appeal to the flesh. So here’s the question…If the worldly unsaved, dead in spirit, appreciate “Christian rock,” is it truly Christian? If the world is into your Christian rock, chances are that it is worldly music with a thin veneer of Christian gloss.

Music of a spiritual nature will not appeal to someone who is controlled by the flesh. It is natural to appreciate the sensual; it is supernatural to appreciate what is spiritual. The unsaved can only truly appreciate that which caters to his or her flesh, because that is all they have. True Christian music is not meant to be like a drug that fills you with emotional ecstasy so that you can forget your problems.

Franklin Graham was very candid about his reason for making use of head-banging rock and hip-hop. “We’re just changing the lure. Kids today love rock music. We’re giving them the music they like and understand.” (Quad City Times, Aug. 9, 2009). Now, much could and should be said about using sensual, in some cases even sexualized, rock bands to “lure” young people into hearing the gospel according to Franklin Graham.

This argument is like the safe sex teaching. “We know that you are going to have sex, so please use a condom so that you will not die if you contract AIDS.” This is a deliberate compromise!

If you are going to obey the Word of God, obey it. Don’t pretend that by encouraging condom use that you are somehow absolved from the reality of what God requires from us. Sugarcoat it all you like, but                 “…the wages of sin is [still] death”(Romans 6: 23a).

Many are the excuses for Christian rock or Christian Contemporary Music (CCM). Here are a few:

  • Are you doing this because you don’t like rock music?
  • What gives you the right to judge the CCM artists?
  • Aren’t you causing divisions among Christians?
  • Aren’t you doing more harm than good attacking other Christians?
  • What’s wrong with using rock as a tool to reach young people?
  •                 What about the “thousands” of people getting saved at CCM concerts?
  • How can you reach lost young people with the “old” hymns?
  • Didn’t Martin Luther and General William Booth use bar tunes in their music?
  • Why should the devil have all the good music?
  • But aren’t you limiting God?
  • But isn’t music neutral?
  • Isn’t it better for Christians to listen to Christian rock than secular rock?
  • What about soft-rock music like Steve Green and Twila Paris?
  • How can CCM lift up the Lord Jesus and yet be wrong?
  • Have you contacted the CCM artists according to Matthew 18:15?
  • Will listening to “rock music” send me to hell?

There is no separation of form and content in rock; it is fused together as a continuous experience. If the Word of God always needs to be quoted in context with the text, then surely spiritual should also be taken in context. The music of a song provides the context and is part of the message. Music is not amoral. Music actually enters through the ears and into mind and the soul. The music provides context and content to the words of the song. Music cannot be separated from the song; it is part of the message.

IF SATAN CONTROLS THE MUSIC, DO THE LYRICS EVEN MATTER?

All the devil wants is his subversive influence in the church. Pretty Christian words being sung in the context of fleshy and sensual rock beat give the words its context. By adding Rock n’ Roll to the message, the message is watered down and soon perverted. Change the music and you will change the message.

As an example listed to the old hymn Amazing Grace by the group called Entombed.

Music is not for winning souls, but for singing praises to GOD! Preaching is the tool given by God to win souls to the kingdom.

Romans 10:14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?”

Some ask, Why can’t a Christian enjoy “worldly” rock also?

Everything we do should be to the glory of GOD:

1 Corinthians 10:31: “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.”

There’s one very simple test for Christians to use to determine what is and what is not godly music: Could you play that music as part of the Sunday morning worship service without offending God? If GOD wouldn’t be pleased with it, then it is not worth playing.

If such music cannot be used to praise the King, then why are you listening to it?

Repetition is characteristic of magic rituals. Shamans use it all over the world to induce a trancelike state in which possession can take place

LIES USED TO JUSTIFY CHRISTIAN ROCK

  1. Satan’s number one lie about rock: “Music is neutral.”

Rebuttal: Neutral music does not drive away demons, but David’s music did drive away King Saul’s demons (1 Samuel 16:14-23). There is no such thing as neutral music. Music stems from one of two places, the carnal flesh (which is controlled by Satan who is the enemy of God) or the converted heart (which is controlled by God’s Spirit).

To which are you sowing?

Galatians 6:8:“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”


Music of the flesh quenches the Holy Spirit; the same way the holy music of David quenched the power of Satan.

2. “Only the words matter.”

Rebuttal: If you take Jesus Christ or the Bible out of the Christian rock music, it’s no more Christian than worldly rock music. Christian music by definition is about Jesus Christ, not about dope, abortion, starvation or self-esteem.

Ephesians 5:18-19 says: “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.”

Colossians 3:16: “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

Notice that we are to FIRST be filled with the Spirit, then to sing and make melody in our hearts. We get the order backwards; we go to church in order to be filled by the Holy Spirit with our sensual music: “Singing and making melody .. to the Lord,” not to people.

“Melody” DOES NOT = Rythmn.                 Rebuttal: Putting Christian words to sensual music does not elevate the music; it degrades the message. (I challenge anyone reading this to go onto the Web and look up a Christian rock group called: ENTOMBED.) Play their version of                 Amazing Grace and tell me if the words uplift the music.

3. Keith Green says: “I have never ONCE seen a case where music was the DIRECT CAUSE OF SIN OR WICKEDNESS IN A PERSON’S LIFE. No music is intrinsically evil.”

Rebuttal: What about the heavy metal bands that openly praise Satan? The worship of Satan is sin. What about rock music that preaches drug taking, sexual promiscuity, rebellion, occultism, eastern religions, and new age values? To encourage such things is sin.
Matthew 18:6:“But whoso shall offend [entice to sin] one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

4. “Rock is just another type of normal music.”

Rebuttal: True godly music, will be composed of three elements – all in perfect balance with each other. They are: MELODY, HARMONY, and RHYTHM. Rock “music” has no melody – only fragments of melody endlessly repeated. Since there is no true melody , there is no real harmony. There is only rhythm and rhythm in and of itself is not music.

Rock ends with a crash or long fade-out, with no resolution. It cannot truly be considered music, PERIOD!

5. “Rock music’s rhythm doesn’t hurt anybody.”

Rebuttal: The rhythm (not the words) of rock music have caused brain damage to laboratory animals, and killed laboratory plants. Its backbeats and break beats swamp, consume and dominate the listener with hypnotic power. Its high-pitched human and electronic screams give musical chaos. True music has loud and soft intensity.

Rock music’s intensity is as loud as possible (190db), for as long as possible.

1 Kings 19:11: “The Lord was not in the strong wind, nor in the earthquake, nor in the fire, but in a still, small voice.” (Not like rock music.)

6. “In order to reach the lost, we must pre-evangelize with Christian rock music.”

Rebuttal: Music is NEVER used as an evangelic tool in Scripture. Check this out for yourself. Music in Scripture is always expressed as praise given to God; it is never mentioned as evangelism. Christian rock confuses, pollutes and deceives the next generation of the body of Christ. Christian rock makes a vulgar image of God, glorifies self, and makes God in man’s own rebellious image. All forms of rock invite demonic influences into the listener.

The tool for evangelism is given in 1 Corinthians 1:21:

“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”

When Israel was in captivity they were required to sing for their captors, see their response in Psalm 137:1- 4:

“By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.                 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How shall we sing the LORD’S song in a strange land?”

“The combination of sound, rhythm, color and movement can be used to attract demonic spirits into people.” – Satanist, Alistair Crowley.

7. “It is all right to copy the world. Christian rock copies the world. ALL ROCK is of the world.”
                John 15:18: If the world hates you, ye know it hated me…”

Rock devotees feel secure in saying that there is no Scripture saying, “Thou shalt not listen to rock.”

Rebuttal: There is no verse that says “Don’t watch porn.” Or “Don’t beat your wife.” either.
Consider these verses against rock music:
1) 1 John 2:15-16: “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”

Rock looks like and is worldly. When rock or Christian rock stars wear skin tight spandex, teased long hair, use smoke bombs, and strobe lights, this is the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. If you can’t see this, you are in deep bondage to the flesh.

2) James 4:4 “… a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”

CCM stars look and act like the world. CCM music and lyrics are like the world. Therefore Christian rock stars learned from secular rock stars years ago.
Objection: Fans say, “That’s just the music, the lyrics are the real difference.”
Rebuttal: The only “message” that makes a difference is one that Glorifies GOD and his Son; and convicts of sin. Rock glorifies its father, Satan.

3) 1 Corinthians 10:20: “I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.”

Many rock and Christian rock songs contains messages back-masked praising Satan.

4) 2 Corinthians 6:14: What fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness?”

5) Ephesians 5:11: “Have no fellowship with theunfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them. For it is a shame (sin guilt shame) even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.”

To listen to rock music is to fellowship with worldly darkness.

Nando

http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/gray8.html

Christian Rock Music

“Is it possible to Worship Satan in the name of Jesus?”

Part Two

By Vernon Gray

  1. “There’s nothing wrong with rock bands in a church.”
    Rebuttal: “They [the priests] have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed a difference between the unclean and the clean” (Ezekiel 22:29).
    There’s supposed to be a difference between holy and profane (godless), clean and unclean, but Christian-rock tries to erase that line.

Numbers 21:1-9 applies to Christian rock. God’s people loathed God’s provision of manna. The things of God weren’t good enough for them. They wanted the things they had when they were back in bondage in Egypt. Today for some Christians, old fashioned traditional Christian music isn’t good enough anymore. Some believers long for the same old garbage that they had back in their unsaved “bondage to sin” days.

2 Corinthians 6:17: “Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing.”

  1. “Listening to worldly music is a “youth thing.” You have to be like them to win them over.”

Rebuttal: Listening to worldly music is a “rebellion thing.” Who do you think invented the gospel of Infiltration? Because it is not found in the Bible. As for joining them and then quietly “slipping in” the gospel…

Matthew 5:13: “Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.”

YOU CANNOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY BEING NO DIFFERENT!

Mark 8:34: “And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”

  1. “Martin Luther took secular songs, changed the words and made them Christian songs.”

Rebuttal: Martin Luther never chose drinking songs or dance tunes. He spent many hours adjusting the songs so as to de-rythmn the songs. This he did so effectively that sometimes they were unrecognizable by those who knew the songs. Finally, on Luther’s songs; he wrote thirty songs in all. Only one song (and maybe two others which were of unknown origin) were borrowed from the secular world.

  1. “Christians in rock are doing it with the right attitude; they are sincere.”

Rebuttal: God cares about how you are doing something as well as why you are doing it.

Consider Saul who, “with the best of intentions” spared Agag and livestock which God had told him to destroy. Saul lost the Kingdom of Israel because of his disobedience.

1 Samuel 15:22: “And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.”                

God cares about both motive and method. Another example:

Leviticus 10:1-3: “And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the LORD spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.”

Notice that Aaron’s sons, Nadab and Abihu were not offering incense to some strange god like Baal. They were offering sacrifices to the true God. They thought that their good motive would make-up for a poor method.

Someone is bound to quote 1 Samuel 16:7: “But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.”

True, God does look upon the heart. But if your heart tells you that your methods are not pleasing to Him; do you say “Well if my motive is to please God, He will accept what I am doing.” Oh really…tell that to Nadab and Abihu; and for that matter to Cain.

Hosea 7:8-10: “Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not. And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this.”

The danger of motive: Did the Israelites win the pagans of Canaan to the Lord when they mixed with their ways? NOPE. The opposite happened. The Israelites became pagans.

  1. “They’re going to listen to rock anyway. This is a better alternative.”
    Rebuttal: This is a LIE. Not every new convert is a rock addict, but you can make a new convert a rock addict by feeding him Christian rock. When people get saved from drugs, crime, alcohol and turn fully to Christ, they reject these along with the rock music that came with these things. A better alternative? NO WAY! Christian rock looks the same, sounds the same and produces the same fruit of rebellion. Christian rock teaches children to rebel against authority.

Is ROCK simply a form of harmless entertainment?

As we have seen there is nothing “harmless” about it! A Christian should find                 “entertainment” not in the world, but he or she should despise the evil things of the world. Our greatest entertainment must be to serve GOD and to draw nigh to Him (through prayer, fasting, study of his word, and the singing of hymns, psalms, and spiritual songs). We can enjoy the fellowship of like-minded believers. We can find relaxation in the outdoors of God’s nature. In these things God is pleased.

13. “We have to use Christian rock because it is the music kids relate to today.”
Rebuttal: 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 tells us to be separate from every ungodly work .

“Touch not the unclean thing” (2 Corinthians 6:17).

Christian rock says, “Touch it all you want.” It is the gospel that relates, convicts and saves people, not rock music or any other ungodly trick. The Holy Spirit’s blessing is on God’s Word, not on Pagan noise.

14. “God created music, and everything God created is good, so rock music must be good and godly too.”
Rebuttal: The day Lucifer fell, music fell also. Music once used to worship Almighty God has been corrupted. Lucifer uses that music to get worship for himself, because he craved it.

15. “Music is the universal language teens understand, so we use Christian rock music to speak their language.”
Rebuttal: The Holy Spirit has spoke to people for 6000 years without rock music.

Rock noise drowns out the Holy Spirit’s voice. The pastors, not kids are supposed to run the church.

16. “Kids won’t stay in a stuffy. They need excitement or we’ll lose them.”
Rebuttal: Give them the excitement of full-surrender to Jesus Christ and Soul Winning as a goal in life, not selfish rock music entertainment. We are not here to be entertained but to win a lost world to Christ.

The real battle is not about a musical generation gap, it’s about SUBMISSION vs. REBELLION. Submission is the hallmark of the Christian life. Without it, all you have is counterfeit spirituality. To resist the devil, you must first be submitted to God (James 4:7). Since rock fans aren’t truly submitted, they’ll never be able to resist Satan, no matter how often they sing, “To Hell with the Devil” (by Stryper).

The classic hymns so despised by youth today were all about SUBMISSION.
That’s why carnal Christians want no part of them.

Songs like: Washed in the Blood, Haven of Rest, Jesus Paid It All, To God Be the Glory, Lord, I’m Coming Home, Victory in Jesus, Have Thine Own Way, Lord, When I Survey the Wondrous Cross, Take My Life and Let It Be, I Surrender All, Jesus Is All the World to Me. These are all songs of SUBMISSION. Here’s a lyrical example from just one of them:

“Have thine own way, Lord, have thine own way, thou art the potter, I am the clay. Mold me and make me after thy will while I am waiting, yielded and still…”

Now read any rock lyrics to see the difference between submission and rebellion:

17. “No one can live under those kind of rules. It’s too hard and legalistic.”
Rebuttal: How harsh of God to ask us to obey Him. Jesus was willing to obey the Father to die for our sins.

2 Timothy 4:3: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but will heap to themselves teachers ….”

Isaiah 30:10: “Who say to the seers, “Do not see,” and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits.

Israel wanted to hear smooth things. Rock is a tool of Satan because it blocks the path to self-denial, purity, holiness, separation and total devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ.

18. “Times have changed. The old ways don’t work anymore. We should update.”
Rebuttal: The old ways you are tossing away are God’s ways. They worked well for 6000 years. When we pray, clearly preach the gospel, the Holy Spirit convicts and draws lost sinners to repentance and faith in Christ.

“Thus saith the Lord…ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein” (Jeremiah 6:16).

  1. “Kids get saved thru Christian rock.”
    Rebuttal: Fleshly lusts war against the soul. They don’t get saved from worldliness by Christian rock. We cannot fight the flesh with the flesh. There is an interesting story in Exodus 32. The children of Israel saw Moses go up onto mount Sinai. He had been gone a long time and they decided that he was not coming back, so they made a golden calf “in honor” of God in order to “worship” Him.

Exodus 32: 5-8:“And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, ‘Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD.’ And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

And the LORD said unto Moses, ‘Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.’”

Notice what God says:“they have corrupted themselves.”They had fooled themselves into idolatry with music and festivities that God had not given them. Today is no different! Many are embracing Christian rock and other so-called Christian music in the misguided belief that their music is, “Praising God.” They have corrupted themselves into thinking that their music is: “Worship.”

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID HERE WITH THE GOLDEN CALF.

1. Romans 12:2:

a) “Be not conformed to this world.”

Rock music people try to be as much like the world as possible.

b) “Be ye transformed…”

Your life is supposed to change when you get saved. Christianity isn’t supposed to change itself to suit you. No change in life, means no salvation.

c) “By the renewing of your mind…” Once saved, your mind should do a complete turnaround. You should see this trash music for what it is.

2. 1 Peter 4:3, 4:“For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you…”

Once you are saved, old friends will think it strange that you no longer run with them to the old worldly junk.

Finally, I ask the question again:

“Is it possible to worship Satan in the name of Jesus?”

I think the answer is obvious!

 

Nando end

Written by twelvebooks

May 3, 2014 at 11:43 am

May 1, 2014 Remembering Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost of Dallas Theological Seminary

This man of God passed away at the old age of 99 after having influenced thousands of Christians with his knowledge of Bible Prophecy. His book Things to Come is a book that I value greatly and credit it for teaching me to proper study and understand Bible Prophecy. Thanks to Terry James for this article.

Nando

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In Memoriam

Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost

1915–2014

By Terry James

The following was issued by Dallas Theological Seminary on April 28, 2014.

Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost, who taught for 58 years at Dallas Theological Seminary, has died. His death followed the autumn 2013 diagnosis of numerous malignant tumors soon after he finished physical therapy for a broken hip.

“Dr. P,” as he was affectionately known on the DTS campus, began his time at the seminary in 1937 as the one hundredth student at the then twelve-year-old school. Following graduation, he served in two pastorates, the second of which was located near Philadelphia. At that time he also served in a part-time position at what was known as Philadelphia Bible Institute. That assignment, particularly during the raging debate over the end times, convinced him to return to DTS for additional study. As he completed his doctorate in theology, the seminary’s president at the time, Dr. John F. Walvoord, invited Dr. P to join the DTS faculty, where he served until his death.

From 1958 through1973, Dr. P served concurrently as a DTS professor and senior pastor of Grace Bible Church in North Dallas. He also volunteered weekly at Luke’s Closet, a ministry that provides donated clothes free to DTS students.

The author of twenty-one books, the scholar was best known for the one he completed in 1957,Things to Come, which focused on end times.

Dr. P loved knowing that every week he taught in all fifty states and most countries in the world—through the DTS graduates he had discipled. In his words, his was “not a ministry of doing it, but a ministry of multiplication through those I’m privileged to share the Word with.”

Dr. P was an inspiration to so many and an institution in his own time. Few people have known the Word of God like he did, and few loved the God of the Word like he loved Him. His favorite phrases he used these past few weeks, [according to President Mark L. Bailey of Dallas Theological Seminary,] were “God is in control” and “God knows what he is doing.” We who have had the privilege to sit under him or teach beside him have all come to know and appreciate the whole of the Bible that our beloved friend believed so thoroughly and taught so faithfully for so many years — all centered in the words and works of Jesus Christ. All of us look forward to God’s “things to come” when we will be reunited with him in glory. Praise God for a faithful man and a long life (99 years this past week) well lived.

Written by twelvebooks

May 1, 2014 at 8:04 pm