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June 2, 2014 The Antichrist, The False Prophet, Daniel 9:24-27 answer to pastor Bob


Pastor Bob for the past weeks I have been following your posts on the correct interpretation of scripture, the gap of Daniel 9:24-27 and want to thank you for your teaching articles.

I find myself in agreement with your gap interpretation, the study of the Bible and all of your article so far. It would be almost impossible to agree with everything as my knowledge and experience is very much different to yours and I am not a pastor but an engineer that loves Jesus and His word. I have devoted many years to the study of the Word but never on a curriculum, seminar or church.

For almost 30 years I was led by Jesus to hear the radio program of John Mac Arthur of Grace to You Church and was instructed from his many programs in the whole Bible. In the subject of prophetic passages I heard many pastors, Hal Lindsey, Zola Levitt, Dwight Pentecost, JR Church, Gary Stearman. I also studied the Bible by reading it.

All this info is a preamble to say that your statement that Benjamin Netanyahu was a 33 rd degree mason was a big surprise and specially after having read about him today on fivedoves Gina Mc Cray and the many times I have seen him in videos. I went to Google and found his name several places, but I will search more.

There is one point in your article below that I think your conclusion is wrong and that is the role of Pope Francis which you attribute as the Antichrist. You are close but not correct in my opinion. He is the second Beast the False Prophet and the RCC will be the false religion that will engulf the world once the true believers in that church and all the other Christian churches that are run by pastors of the type you have encountered.

The role of the Antichrist is definitively a man of great power from a very powerful nation one who leads the world economically, militarily, Industrially, scientifically and many other ways and that is the role of the president of the USA Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Francis will be the false spiritual leader(rightly called the False Prophet) that will force the world into believing that Obama is god and establish the 666.

In applying Bible prophecy to modern times we can not ignore the power structure of the world today in assigning these roles to individuals. The Pope has only the spiritual power as the leader of the RCC and nothing more.

I want you to consider the fact that you lump the RCC with Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and the Seventh Day Adventist. The last three are pseudo Christian cults that are very dangerous and deny one or more of the members of the Trinity. At the present time it is my opinion that the RCC is still a christian church with the majority of its members believing in the Trinity and worshiping Jesus Christ.

The biggest fault they have is the fact that the ecclesiastic members from the top down are instructed erroneously in eschatology. They are preterist and amillennial thus completely missing the events that are signaling the coming of the Apocalypse. The great majority of the catholic Christians are ignorant of the Bible and specially of prophecy. They have many other erroneous believes as well but so do many other Christian denominations. That is why the Rapture will take many who believe they are Christians by surprise as a thief in the night.

Again Pastor Bob I like what you have written in the articles so far and look forward to meeting you in the clouds at the Rapture.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2014/pastorbob61-3.htm

Pastor Bob (1 June 2014)
“Standing in the Gap -8”


All:In my posts on this series I have provided both Biblical evidence and anecdotal evidence from history to show that we have ample evidence to support the belief in an existence of a “GAP” between week 69 and 70 of Daniel’s prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27.

I have taken to task mainly the teachings of SDA cult teacher Steven “Mark” Wohlberg because he embodies a group of folks from different spectrums of the Christian faith.  Wohlberg for some unkown reason has been a magnet of those critical of the Dispensationalist view of the Bible.  All of these groups have attempted to muddy the waters of Bible prophecy to destroy the message as well as the messengers.  Interestingly, they attempt to use a Bible translation that is seriously flawed, the Geneva Bible.  The Geneva Bible is touted as the Bible of the Pilgrims, when in fact, they had no other choice from which to read.  The marketing of it after it was resurrected about five years ago was this was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, inferring it was the best thing in Bibles since sliced bread.

The truth about the Geneva Bible is that the notes are deeply flawed, out of date, and in many cases totally incorrect.  But my focus here is the “Gap” understanding.  I’ll deal with the Geneva Bible in another post, but don’t waste your money if you feel compelled to get a copy, if for no other reason than the fact it is printed in 6-point Roman text.  6-point type is half the size of this post, which is in 12-point.  Read the free edition available on the Internet to review it for yourself.

All of this is a consequence of the method of interpretation of the Bible allegorically.  However, when taken to task the allegorical understanding of Scripture is like a house built on sand.

Wohlberg and his associates, and disciples do not equate the abomination of desolation with the events that Antiochus foisted upon the Jewish people in 168 BC.  You can search his writings and you can not and will not find any mention of it whatsoever.  I consider myself well trained in church history.

Jesus Christ raised the point, “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader understand),”  –(Matthew 24:15).  Jesus was obviously referring to Daniel, and specifically referenced Daniel 9:27.  When Matthew added, “Let the reader understand,” he was saying something cryptic, yet is only cryptic to us, if we do not possess knowledge of history prior to Jesus Christ.

Those of Jesus’ day would have no problem understanding what He referred to with those words.  The entire debacle of Antiochus was widely known by all for centuries.  You could not be Jewish and not know or without having heard about this event as you grew up.  The event refers to Antiochus having marched into the Holy of Holies, slaughtered a pig on the altar, sprinkled the blood around and demanded that the Jews worship him {Antiochus).  This is a matter of recorded history.

Yet, here is what Wohlberg says about the Daniel 9:27 passage, “The abomination of desolation is not a simple subject, yet we know that Jesus claarly applied this event to the time His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD.  In a parallel text in Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies (Roman armies led by prince Titus) then know that its desolation is near”.  The disciples did ‘see’ those very events because of the ‘abominations’ of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, see your house is left desolate’ thus Gabriel’s statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming ‘desolate’ was perfectly fulfilled in 70 AD.”

So Wohlberg associates this  “abomination” with the Pharisees.  Does it sound like Wohlberg is guessing?  From Daniel 12:11, we know that the length of time for this abomination to last will be 1,290 days.  Steven Wohlberg  does not mention this fact.  He also does not mention that 1,290 days is just over three-and-a-half years, which places us jut past the end of the Tribulation by thirty days.

Wohlberg, SDA cultists, and even Preterists (those that believe all the key prophecies were fulfilled in the first century) of the church; along with “Covenant/Reformed” churches dismiss a future fulfillment of Bible prophecy concerning Daniel 9:24-27.  They reject the idea of Revelation 20, where we are told the Millennial Age will be 1,000 years.  We are provided six references to that effect.  And still the groups noted in this paragraph still call God a liar!  The references to 1,000 years does not say Christ will reign and rule for a long time, or an infinite length of time, or that it doesn’t mean what it says; it explictly states 1,000 years.  To argue that piece of Scripture is merely to say that God is lying.

However, with respect to the Matthew 24:15 passage, Dr, Arnold Fruchtenbaum states, “This passage is merely a reminder of the Daniel prophecy, with no explanation as to what the abomination of desolation is.  The only clue given is that it will be something standing when it occurs (like an image or idol), in the Holy Place.  This passage helps to verify the futuristic interpretation of the Daniel passage, for it was still considered unfulfilled and future at the time of Messiah.  The abomination of desolation will serve as a warning to the Jews of Israel to flee the land.”

Note this point and note it well:  In order to know if this abomination of desolation actually occurred during the 70 AD attack and destruction of Jerusalem, we need to ascertain whether Vespasian, Titus or anyone else for that matter, did what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 168 BC.  Interestingly enough, history books make no mention of any type of abomination of desolation during this period.  Not even Jewish literature so as much mention this as an abomination of desolation.  Even though the city of Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70 AD, apparently, this abomination of desolation is yet to come, since we know it did not occur during the 70 AD attack.  So it would appear that the Temple is going to be rebuilt in Israel.  If so, there is an excellent chance that the abomination of desolation will also occur in the future.

A “third” Temple is as sure as the Lord’s return!  I have reported in previous posts the evidence that 60,000 tons of Bedford, Indiana limestone stones were ordered in 1967 for the “third” Temple.  This is not the Temple referred in Ezekiel 40-48, which will be the Lord’s Temple.  The “third” is to be of the Antichrist.  The story of the order for the stones appeared in an August 4th, 1967 issue of ‘Christianity Today’.  The particulars of this report has been detailed in a previous post on Five Doves.  I have subsequently learned that another pastor, a Presbyterian pastor in the Johnstown, PA saw the same railroad gondola cars containing the stones, clearly marked on the cars:  “Destination Kearney, NJ for Export to Israel” sitting in a rail yard in East Cambria yard at Johnstown, PA.  The presence of the cars with the loaded stones may have been due to mechanical problems or that the Kearney, NJ rail/ocean terminal could not receive the cars due to traffic congestion.  I lean towards the first because the cars used to carry the cut stones were older railcars, built in the 1940’s.  To move a commodity like cut stone rock, the railroads would never use their newest or best equipment.  After all, cut stones are unaffected by weather and can damage newer equipment when loading or unloading.  Nonetheless, it has become evident that others noticed the shipment as well.

With the visit of Pope Francis to Israel over the Memorial Day weekend, there were reported stories, as early as 2013, that Israel was going to give to the Vatican the Upper Room where Jesus observed Passover/Last Supper with His disciples.  The latest report was that the Pope only wanted the use of the location for two hours a day in the future by his delegation. The report that Netanyahu was going to give up this historic site was well publicized in August of 2013.  Bibi, is a 33rd degree Mason, and visited the pope this past winter.  It is becoming more and more probable that a “third” Temple will be built with the RCC/Vatican’s blessing behind it than if the Orthodox Jews attempted the task by themselves.  In reports concerning the pope’s visit to Israel, he has invited the leaders to come to Rome for a meeting of the minds.  I have in my hands a report, headlined:  Pope Makes Mideast Leaders a Peace Offer They Couldn’t Refuse.”  Reading the text and between the lines, the inference is the Pope himself will sign a covenant with Israel for “seven” years, or the last week of Daniel 9:24-27’s proverbial 70th Week!   It is my opinion that the “third” Temple will be erected as Jerusalem becomes a UN/Vatican international city.  The Palestinians are unlikely to protest such a move, given it would be under UN jurisdiction and the Vatican administering care.  Pope Benedict XVI orchestrated political and diplomatic measures to facilitate such a move.  All parties were in agreement to achieve a “win-win” outcome.  But that is simply window dressing for the Tribulation Temple events.

There appears to be a connection between the Daniel passage, the Matthew 24 passage, the Revelation 2 passage, the Revelation 11 passage, and what Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.  Paul is obviously pointing to a future, specific individual when he states the following:  “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in th Temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”   This passage is looking more and more like the Pope is the coming Antichrist [person].  Furthermore, the Greek meaning of “apostasy” can be translated to mean “departure” as well.  The inference is an allusion to the “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture.  Apostasy is understood to mean “falling away” but it can be equally understood to mean “departure” of the church.  Paul is stating that the Day of the Lord will not happen until:

***”The” apostasy occurs.
***”The man of sin is revealed.

Once this apostasy occurs, and the man of sin steps out onto the world’s stage, then the Day of the Lord is normally viewed as the entire period of judgment known as the Tribulation.  Who better than this humble smiling figure of Francis, the Jesuit.  He already has the world in his back pocket.  The last year of promotion has achieved the highest rating of any pope in recent history among Evangelical Protestants.    Paul seems to be indicating that there is going to be one specific man at some future point whom will literally sit in God’s Temple and declare himself to be God.  This is a reflection of a far greater level event than even what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 168 BC!

Wohlberg mentions none of this in his intepretation of the text.  This is because he believes the pope is the beast spoken of in the book of Revelation, and the “Mark” of the Beast is the changing of worship from Saturday to Sunday by the Roman church.

I agree with him, only so far as the RCC/Vatican but not for the same reasons.  I believe the RCC/Vatican is the “Beast/Antichrist” and the USA is the “Image” of the Beast, based upon the relationship between Rome and Washington, DC as far back as the early days of Bishop John Carroll and its [the RCC/Vatican] relationship with Freemasonry..  The “key” or link between the RCC/Vatican, Israel and the USA are the Jesuits.  I have some 50,000 pages of documents on Freemasonry, many of which corroborate my point of view.  I have held this view for now on 35 years.  For now, just recognize Rome sits atop a “knights” system which is noted below.  It is in descending order of subordination:

Jesuits
Pope/Vatican
Knights of Malta
Freemasonry
Knights of Columbus

The world’s intelligence agencies are accountable through the Knights of Malta.  These include:  MI6, BND, CIA, Mossad, ISS, FBI, GrU (old KGB), and others, all managed through the Council of Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, Tri-Latel Commission.  Beneath this hierarchy follows the corporate, banking, military, academic, elites.

Getting back to Steven Wohlberg, I will deal with his last common statement made in his sermons, books, and writings.

+++Wohlberg believes the 70 weeks are applied to the Jewish people.

Quoting precisely Steven “Mark” Wohlberg’s statement, “Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy applied to the Jewish people (see Daniel 9:24).  During the period of Christ’s public ministry of 3 and 1/2 years, the Master’s focus was largely upon “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”  -(Matthew 10:6).  After his resurrection and then for another 3 and 1/2 years, his disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1:6).  After  that second 3 and a half year period, in 34 AD, the bold Stephen (see Acts 7).  This infamous deed marked the then-ruling Jewish leaders’ final, official rejection of the Gospel of our Savior.  Then the Gospel went to the Gentiles.  In Acts 9, Saul became Paul, the “Apostle to the Gentiles” -(Romans 11:13)).  In Act 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (See Acts 10:1-28).  Read Acts13:46.  Thus approximately 3-and-1/2 years after the crucifixion – and at the end of the 70 week prophecy given for the Jewish people – the Gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy.”

The above paragraph is an exact quote from Steven “Mark” Wohlberg.  This is very appealing to the anti-Semite, of which Wohlberg is one; its taught by the SDA cult leaders.  Followers of Wohlberg theology swallow this ‘hook, line and sinker’.  These people believe God has completely done away with the Israel, having finally and completely replaced her with the church.  While Jews of course, can become Christians, they become part of the body of Christ, His Church.   God no longer has any plans for Israel as a nation, but only Israelites as individual people.

However, Wohlberg’s math needs to be checked to see if he is even close to understanding the length of the full 70 weeks.  On one hand after explaining how he arrives at the total number of weeks of years found in Daniel 9:24-27 (490 years), Wohlberg makes this statement: “After 69 weeks (after 483 years), “shall messiah be cut off” -(vs. 25)  All Christian scholars apply this to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.”

Unless I am misunderstanding him, Wohlberg states that after 69 weeks has been completed, the Messiah is killed.  If he states that, then his other calculations are off by at least 40 years.  In other words, if the end of the 69th week arrives, and then Jesus is killed, we need to know when the 70th week begins.  In fact, we need to know just when the 69th week actually ended.  Wohlberg does not say, as you can see from his quote above.

Other scholars have done their own calculations and figured out that if they start when the decree to rebuild the Temple from Artaxerxes (confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1-8), an event that occurred on March 14, 445 BC.  It thus becomes a simple matter of counting forward from then.  We get the figure of 173,880 days to the very day Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey foal on Palm Sunday of 32 AD.  This event then would be the fulfillment of the “sevens” in Daniel 9:24-27.

As we know, it was mere days later that Jesus was crucified.  Yet, Wahlberg is stating that the first 3-1/2 years of the final week of Daniel’s prophecy (the 70th week) is Jesus’ public ministry.  However, as you can begin to see, the 69th week ended with His Triumphant Entry into Jerusalem, where He presented Himself as King and was worshiped as such.  This infuriated the Pharisees.  How is it possible for Jesus to be cut off after the 69th week, and then turn around and count the 3-1/2 years prior to the crucifixion as the first 3-1/2 years of the final 70th week, which would come after week 69 of Daniel’s prophecy?  This is what Wohlberg does, yet this is the same person who tells us that everything in Scripture related to the time is consecutive or contiguous, and without stopping or starting.  He is going backwards and is never taken to task about this sleight of hand.

In spite of the obvious variance, Wohlberg places exact spaces of two 3-1/2 year periods; one during the public ministry of Jesus Christ and the second into the first part of the book of Acts.  The only way to do this is to fudge the time frames, or willing to take an approximation as being good enough.

However, if we have a real starting date for the time the first set of seven sevens began, is there really a need to fudge anything?  Moreover, if there is a “GAP” in the text of Daniel, would that not account for the fact that many today say we are not yet in the 70th week.

The context finishes out the meaning.  Gabriel is really saying that 70 sevens are decreed for his people, the Jews.  How do we know to what the sevens refers to.  From the context – the entire context is speaking about years.  Wohlberg goes through this interesting process of converting each week to days, then into years.  “Seventy weeks = 490 days.  A day in prophecy represents a year.  (See Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6).  Thus 490 days are really 490 years.”

In a previous remark I have noted that two Scriptural references do not connect to a hard rule about converting days-to-years.  This is what happens when people are prone to allegoricalizing the text.  There is no need to do what Wohlberg has done, if the context is understood correctly.  In some ways, it appears as though Gabriel was presenting Daniel with a bit of a play on words.  Daniel believes the 70 years of captivity were almost over.  Ezra and Nehemiah show that it did.  However, Gabriel emphasized that God was going to do a further work before sending the Messiah and completing His plan of restoration of the Jews.  The word “sevens” in the Hebrew is in the masculine plural, and though plural numbers are usually feminine.  Many scholars have concluded that this means the number is unusual.  Gabriel is saying, “No Daniel, not 70 years, but seventy sevens of years.

Verse 25 explains that these 70 sevens are going to be divided up.  The math is 70×7=490.  Since the context is dealing with yers, we know that it is 490 years.  The first section covers 7 sevens, or 49 years.  The second section covers 62 sevens or 434 years.  Combined you arrive at 483 yers.  This is one week shy of the complete fulfillment of the 70 years.

Please note verse 26.  It begins with the words, “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing.”  What is Gabriel saying right there?  He is saying that after the second division of sevens (or the 62 weeks) is finished, then the Messiah will be cut off, which is another way of saying that He will be crucified.  The Messiah is said to have nothing.   When Jesus died, he died naked and all had deserted Him, for fear of their own lives.  The Father turned His own back on Him, as He poured out His wrath on Him, the wrath that should have been poured out on you and me.  Jesus, literally had nothing; not even His own grave, but one was provided for Him by someone else.

Notice the text then states, “and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary and its end will come with a flood.”  It is agreed this took place in 70 AD; some 40 years after Jesus died on the cross and is included in the Messiah being cut off time frame.  The end of verse 26 promises wars and desolations until the end.  The end of what?  The end just prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Now, we see that vs. 26 begins with the words “And after the sevens” (then after this” –NASB).  This is the break in the succession of weeks), does not begin until we get to the text that states, “he will make a covenant with the many for one week.”  It should be obvious that because of what happens between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th week, a break does exist.  Between the first 7 weeks/49 years and the following 62 weeks/434 years, no break exists.  However, after the 69th week has ended, we are told that a number of things will occur, one of which is the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which w know happened in 70 AD.  It should also be clear that the final week of Daniel’s prophecy does not begin until “he” makes a covenant with the many for one week.  It is in discovering just exactly what this covenant is, that we are able to detemine if it has already been, or if it is yet future.

Though Wohlberg refers to it, he ignores the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem event in his calculations, preferring to instead to go backwards to include the public ministry of Jesus (roughly 3-1/2 years), the way the very first part of the book of Acts (roughly 3-1/2 years into it).  At the same time, he complains that there is said to be a break or gap in the timetable, which he does not see, and claims that no place else in Scripture is there ever a break or gap in prophecy.

First of all, Daniel 9:24-27 is the only place that references this particular prophecy so it is unfair to say that there cannot be a break here because there is never a break elsewhere (and I have already given evidence that would indicate otherwise).  I’ve noted at least 24 known breaks or “gaps” in the Bible.

Second, though he thinks it is utter foolishness for the break to exist, he has no qualms about jumping ahead to 70 AD, but not counting it in the last week (70th week)!

Therefore, on one hand, Wohlberg includes the 70 AD destruction as part of the prophecy but does not include the additional 40 or so years in his calculation.  This would take us well into the book of Acts.

Please note that beginning with vs. 27, a covenant is made.  Wohlberg points out that prophecy does not go out of order or stop and start again.  Yet, this is precisely what he does in his attempts to make the text say what he wants it to say.  Again, those interpreting allegorically force the text to say something that it does not say.  Those of you reading that other prophecy site, consistently push the heretic Wohlberg SDA position.  If we simply read the text as is, we will find that these things happen in consecutive order (something that Wohlberg and his disciples like) very much:

1. 7 weeks/49 years:  Jerusalem is rebuilt.
2. 62 weeks/434 years: Ends with the crucifixion of Jesus.
3. The people (of the prince) destroy Jerusalem/Temple in 70 AD.
4. Wars and desolations will continue to the end.
5. “he” will make a firm covenant with many.
6. “he” will break the covenant in the middle by creating an abomination.
7. “he” will be destroyed.

Everything noted above is sequential.  They occur one after the other, yet Wohlberg jumps around, first going to the end of the 69 weeks with Jesus Christ’s crucifixion, and then going backwards from that point to start the 70th week.  But that is not what the text states or implies.  It is a natural succession, with a break between the 69th week and the 70th week.

The individual who comes along to make a firm covenant with the many is not Jesus Christ as proclaimed at the other prophecy site. Jesus made no firm covenant with anyone, except the Father.  His covenant was written in blood, and because of that, salvation is available to all.  The text indicates that this individual who comes along will enter into a covenant with the many.  Jesus’ covenant is with the Father.  Christ Jesus has paid the full price of our sin.  If we receive His salvation, then we also benefit from that covenant.

The last part of vs. 27 states, and I quote from the NASB because it is the most current English translation that uses the Textus Receptus (Received Majority text).  “One who make desolate, even until a complete destruction, destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”  What this verse is saying is that “one” will come and make the Temple desolate.  He will continue until his own destruction.  How can this individual be Jesus Christ, yet it is the same individual that is in the beginning of vs. 27.

In spite of the word play on Wohlberg’s part, his argument simply do not stand up under scrutiny.  Wohlberg and his SDA cult fans and followers are severely lacking in the understanding of the Greek, for starters.

Understanding Daniel 9:24-27 is not at all that difficlut as long as a few basic rules of interpretation are followed consistently throughout.  The first is note the context.  The second is to avoid allegoricalizing, unless the text demands it.  Third, is to be consistent.  Fourth, is to allow the text to interpret itself.

Steven “Mark” Wohlberg’s opinions are that, not fact, which he unfortunately attempts to present as fact.  Wohlberg has done little to support his opinions, either from the Bible, or from history.  Unfortunately, there are others out there that pass themselves off as experts, at that other prophecy site.  The facts support a “Seven Year Tribulation”.

I equate Wohlberg’s math calculations as akin to Ma and Pa Kettle math or Abbott & Costello math.  Google both of them for a lot of laughs after this long post.

It is solely due to Wohlberg’s interpretation methods that he does not see the seven year Tribulation as the 70th Week.  So to him it is a myth.  That does not mean he is correct.  Far from it.  It merely means that because of the way he has interpreted Daniel 9:24-27, he comes away with no seven year Tribulation in his view.  Howwever, what if he is wrong?  If it is there and in his view clouded by arrogance, he is negating something that God has specifically placed in the Word?  This is one of the biggest problems with in presenting any type of Biblical teaching.  The issue is clouded by the lack of competency on the subject.

We are held to a higher standard, as teachers and preachers, by God.  I believe I understand Daniel 9:24-27 correctly.  I am also willing to say that I am wrong provided proof.  Given the events of the pope visiting Israel and offering a deal that no one can refuse, I think the weight of the evidence supports my position on Daniel 9:24-27.
One cannot help but notice that in spite of Wohlberg’s extremly loose interpretation methods, he believes with hesitation that he has proven things beyond any doubt.  Wohlberg has not presented any evidence from the Hebrew text, as to the nuances of the meanings, the use of the “definitive” article where it is missing in both the KJV Bible and the Geneva Bible as well.  The current-day Bible student hasn’t spoken that way {KJV & Geneva Bible) for at least 100 years if not longer.  The failure to include missing conjunctions, which are required by the Hebrew Masoretic text.  The problem most seem to ignore is the syntax of Hebrew culture translated to Elizabethian English to modern day English, which is not well defined or even understood but for grammar school teachers.  But by far the most arrogant abuse comes by the allegoricalizing of the text and failing to use the principles I noted previously.

I did not intend for this to be so long, however, this passage needs clarity because of how it has been abused by Steven “Mark” Wohlberg, the SDA cultists, and the blind leading the blind over at the other site.  The “HE” of Daniel 9:27 can be no one but the Adversary, the arch nemesis of the nation of Israel.

God bless, keep the faith, we are going home very soon.  If the events in Israel this weekend are any indicator of the progress towards the false peace, I look for the key parties (“the many”) to ink their signature to a false peace treaty that once it is signed, will enable us to identify two things:  1.  When the treaty is broken, and 2.  The date of the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Pastor Bob

Nando end

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  1. Very well presented, your rebuttal though lengthy was lucid and made sense to me  In the light of my own 20 years of studying prophecy God bless Pastor Rodney Franke South Africa

    Sent from Samsung tablet”Twelve Books – Rapture, Antichrist, False Prophet, End Time Signs, Bib

    rodneyf

    June 5, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    • Thank you pastor Rodney.
      Nando

      twelvebooks

      June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm

  2. Nando
    Good comment,
    I am in agreement with you on the Pope being the FP. I also agree that there are many followers of Jesus in the RCC.

    Though I disagree with some things that Pastor Bob teaches, He is quite correct on the final week of Daniel 9:24-27.

    David H.

    June 7, 2014 at 11:01 am

  3. Pastor Bob, Nando and all:
    See my post here and further discussion on the “he” of Daniel 9:27 pointing to being the Messiah, which is actually the historic interpretation of bible commentators/teachers leading up until only recently (as referenced by Pastor McElmurry). An entirely future 70th week stands on very shaky ground. We must be very careful to avoid “strawman arguments” when interpreting prophecy. There is indeed a major “time gap” of the church age that began with the Passover through Pentecost sequence during the year of the crucifixion and lasts until the church is removed and the last half of the week remains to be fulfilled.
    http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2014/chrisc61.htm

    Gerbasi’s book on the type/shadow fulfillment of the Menorah’s 7 candlesticks is fantastic and free at the link if you get the chance to dig deeper. Robert Anderson’s work is also very questionable IMHO.
    Humbly, -C

    Chris

    June 8, 2014 at 9:24 am


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