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Neil Lipken (11 Feb 2013) “U.S. Supreme Court to look at Obama eligibility to be President on Feb. 15th, 2013!”

The article below is the latest attempt by determined lawyers to bring Obama in front of the Supreme Court. The powerful people behind this person will make this latest attempt fail again.

The US has permitted through evilness or ignorance for the Antichrist Obama to be reelected president. It is my opinion that God has allowed this to happen to fulfill the prophecies of the end times.

Nando

Neil Lipken (11 Feb 2013)
U.S. Supreme Court to look at Obama eligibility to be President on Feb. 15th, 2013!


Maybe, just maybe, something will come out of this?!  It would be awesome if it did, but so far Obama has successfully covered his tracks, and like teflon, everything seems to fall off of him!  But would smilin’ Joe Biden be any better of a President?!  And make no mistake about it, the New World Order would roll out their plans for America through Joe Biden just as they are doing through Obama now!

Neil
P.S.  Mr. Obama said very recently that “America has no spending problems”!  Really?!  Obama has watched over America spending 6 trillion it does not have in his first four years!  One of the goals of the New World Order is indeed to bankrupt America so America will go quietly into the coming global government.  That is why their stooge says that America has no spending problems!

Nando

The following is the docket in the US Supreme Court.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/12a606.htm

No. 12A606
Title:
Edward Noonan, et al., Applicants
v.
Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State
Docketed: December 13, 2012
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
  Case Nos.: (S207078)
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings  and  Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 11 2012 Application (12A606) for a stay, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 13 2012 Application (12A606) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 26 2012 Application (12A606) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 9 2013 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of February 15, 2013.
Jan 9 2013 Application (12A606) referred to the Court.

~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Orly Taitz 29839 Santa Margarita Pkwy (949) 683-5411
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA  92688
Party name: Edward Noonan, et al.
Attorneys for Respondent:
Kamala Harris Attorney General (916) 445-9555
P. O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA  94244-2550
Party name: Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State
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Nov 21, 2011 Has Obama farce nationality come to light?

It looks that the subterfuge of Obama to hide his true origin is coming out to light.

The article in here posted was e-mailed to me by a friend.

Nando

Subject: Fwd: {{ Will Joe Biden be the interim President before the end of the y…}}

This has been around before in sections, Snopes appears to accept it. Anyone have any more positive info?

Subject: Fwd: {{ Will Joe Biden be the interim President before the end of the y…}}

I thought this was a dead subject, but I verified this at Snoops, and it is going on now.

VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION.
VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
AP� – WASHINGTON D.C. –

In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College … Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups,� Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve� as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio’s case is just one of� 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter…
LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T!
Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?
While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. … Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. .. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
If you Don’t care� that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then� Delete� this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won’t survive much longer .
If you do care� then� Forward� this to as many patriotic Americans as you can,
because our country is being looted and ransacked!
Date: 10/21/11

Nando

Written by twelvebooks

November 21, 2011 at 9:54 pm

April 27, 2011 The significance of the release by Obama of a detailed U.S. birth certificate

Today in MSN news the article below was published. It is about the release of the long form birth certificate by Obama.

Many questions arise from this release.

1) Why it was released now?

2) Why did he spend countless amounts of money to avoid its release

3) Who paid for that money?

4) Is the release authentic?

5) Is all the information contained there verifiable and authentic?

6) Was this all part of an overall plan to discredit the opposition and make them look banal and out of touch with reality?

7) Will this hamper the effort to obtain all the rest of the information that he has hidden from the public?

It is obvious that this man has a very dark hidden agenda up his sleeve, and all the nefarious people behind him are equally devious and evil. He does not exult transparency, trustfulness and light. He walks in darkness and darkness follows as a cloak over him.

Reader there is a lot of information that is true about this man to render the verdict of guilty as accused. He is the Antichrist, the man of sin, the son of perdition, the 666, the abomination of desolation, the son of perdition and so on. Be not fooled by his manipulation of facts and look deep beneath the veneer of respectability and success that his handlers have so aptly constructed.

All glory and honor and praise belong only to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior and not to this farce of an usurper.

Nando

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house

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This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii.
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WASHINGTON — Responding to critics’ relentless claims, President Barack Obama on Wednesday produced a detailed Hawaii birth certificate in an extraordinary attempt to bury the issue of where he was born and confirm his legitimacy to hold office. He declared, “We do not have time for this kind of silliness.”

By going on national TV from the White House, Obama portrayed himself as a voice of reason amid a loud, lingering debate on his birth status. Though his personal attention to the issue elevated it as never before, Obama said to Republican detractors and the media, it is time to move on to bigger issues.

“Over the last two and a half years I have watched with bemusement, I’ve been puzzled at the degree to which this thing just kept on going,” said the president.

Click here for an up-close look at the birth certificate

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      Sources: Petraeus to be nominated to head CIA Updated 9 minutes ago 4/27/2011 3:41:58 PM +00:00 President Barack Obama plans to name CIA Director Leon Panetta as the next secretary of defense and move Gen. David Petraeus, now running the war in Afghanistan, into the CIA chief’s job in a major shuffle of the U.S. national security leadership.

    2. On birth certificate, Obama derides ‘carnival barkers’
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While saying he would not normally address such an issue, Obama said he wanted “to make a larger point” encourage the media and the American people to focus other issues, like the looming budget debate.

“I’m confident the American people and America’s political leaders can come together in a bipartisan way and solve these problems,” he said, before going on the warn, “We’re not gonna be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers.”

Obama spoke shortly after the White House released a copy of the long form of his birth certificate, which contains more extensive data than a version released earlier.

Trump takes credit for birth certificate release

The certificate says Obama was born to an American mother and Kenyan father, in Hawaii, which makes him eligible to hold the office of president. Obama released a standard short form before he was elected in 2008 but requested copies of his original birth certificate from Hawaii officials this week in hopes of quieting the lingering controversy.

White House officials have said the issue was settled long ago. But so-called “birthers” opposed to Obama have kept it alive. Potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump recently began questioning why Obama hadn’t ensured the long form was released.

Click here for an up-close look at the birth certificate

From New Hampshire, Trump took credit for getting Obama to act.

“He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to play such a big role in hopefully, hopefully getting rid of this issue,” Trump said.

Polls show large numbers of Republicans have continued to doubt Obama is a natural born citizen eligible to be president. Trump, the bombastic real estate mogul, has seized on the issue as he weighs a GOP candidacy.

Story: Trump: I have ‘real doubts’ Obama was born in U.S.

While Obama and White House officials avoided mentioning Trump by name, officials said they released the birth certificate partially because the issue had moved beyond fringe discussion, and Obama criticized a media culture that had not let the story go.

He did not take any questions and did not say why the document had not been released earlier.

While Wednesday marked the first time the president has spoken extensively about the issue, he hasn’t completely ignored the issue. Last year at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, Obama joked, “Obviously I’m most pleased that Michelle accompanied me. She doesn’t always go to these things. And there are few things in life that are harder to find and more important to keep than love — well, love and a birth certificate.”

Many Republican leaders have sought to distance themselves from the “birther” theory as a discredited notion not worthy of national public debate.

In a statement after Obama spoke, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called the issue a distraction — and yet blamed Obama for playing campaign politics by addressing it.

Vote: Will the release put the ‘birther’ issue to rest?

“The president ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy,” Priebus said. “Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority — our economy.”

House Speaker John Boehner’s spokesman also released a statement, saying, “This has long been a settled issue.”

The newly released certificate is signed by the delivery doctor, Obama’s mother and the local registrar. His mother, then 18, signed her name (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.

The form says Barack Hussein Obama II was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, within the city limits of Honolulu.

Click here for an up-close look at the birth certificate

There’s no mention of religion. It says his father, Barack Hussein Obama, age 25, was African and born in Kenya and his mother was Caucasian and born in Wichita, Kan. Obama’s mother and the doctor signed the certificate on Aug. 7 and 8.

Hawaii’s registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011.

The White House also released a letter from the president on April 22 requesting two certified copies of his original certificate of live birth. Also released was a letter from Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii’s director of health, approving the request.

The president’s personal counsel, Judith Corley, traveled to Hawaii to pick up the documents and carried them back to Washington on a plane. The documents arrived at the White House around 5 p.m. Tuesday.

April 19, 2011 A novel with Obama the Antichrist Soros the False Prophet

Ted Porter has been writing a novel about the Antichrist being Obama and in these two articles he continues with the narrative. It is late today and I will post both and reread them tomorrow.

When I opened my blog statistics at this time of the day today I had 666 views for the day. A few minutes latter I was reading these two articles by Ted Porter. Was that a coincidence, I think not!

After reading this morning more of the novel, I want to tell the readers that there are several parts in this novel that I am in complete disagreement with his view.

I do not think that Napoleon or Hitler were the horses of Revelation or that the book of Revelation started years back, I think the false prophet is a religious leader and not Mr. Soros.

I think Mr. Porter takes a very unconventional interpretation of scripture and that his eschatology is wrong.

I believe that he is correct in the identification of Obama as the Beast of Revelation, and there is no doubt that M.r Soros money was one of the main reasons that Obama came and remains in power.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/tedp416.htm

Ted Porter (16 Apr 2011)
“April 17, 2011 – The World May Never Be the Same”


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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

What would you say if I told you that Abib 13 on the Hebrew calendar was the day satan entered Judas Iscariot?

 

And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.  Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.  And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.  And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.  And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.  Luke 22:2-6

 

Understandably so, Abib 13, also called Nisan 13, is the day most expected for the fulfillment of Revelation 12:9 when satan will be thrown to earth and enter into the body of the fourth horseman of Revelation.

 

What would you then say if I told you that April 17, 2011 is Abib 13? 

 

What if I also told you that on March 28, 2011, a “mysterious cosmic blast in the constellation Draco” the dragon occurred “so unlike is it to anything ever observed before”?

 

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Cosmic-Fireworks-Erupt-When-Black-Hole-in-Dragons-Belly-Swallows-Star-72239.html?wlc=1302722521&wlc=1302747180

 

Now counting March 28th through April 17th, there are 21 days.  In the book of Daniel it is recorded that it took an Angel sent from God the same number of days, 21, to reach Daniel, (having to contend with the prince of the kingdom of Persia).

 

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.  Daniel 10:13

 

Note that the term “prince” is used here as a term for an angel, specifically a fallen angel, a follower of the great dragon.

 

What if I now told you that a “prince” of a country from the fallen Roman Empire, will apparently turn 30 prophetic years of age on April 17, 2011?  Will satan, being thrown from heaven, descend in bodily form like a frog and possess him on this date?

 

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:13

 

Now how one calculates prophetic years of true age is hidden from many, so many will be in the dark.  However, this prince is the prime candidate for taking the role of dragon on earth.  While he goes by “prince” he does not go by a last name.  However, his lineage’s last name is pendragon which is Welsh for “head dragon”.

 

Remember, Jesus was around 30 when he entered His ministry, when the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him and became one with Him.

 

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.  And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,  Luke 3:22-23

 

What if I finished by showing you that this same “prince” unmistakably revealed himself to his brethren exactly half of a prophetic year before April 17, 2011?  The date this “prince” chose to do this was in mimicry of Joseph who revealed himself to his brothers in Egypt, 2 years into the 7 year famine.

 

And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.  Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.  For these two years hath the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest.  Genesis 45:4-6

 

This dragon however does not come to preserve life but to extinguish it.  This person as the dragon will indeed be the last of the four horsemen to ride,

 

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.   Revelation 6:8

 

But let us start at the beginning.  Revelation reveals there will be an unholy trinity at the end of this age.  Revelation 13 describes them as the dragon, the beast of the sea, and the beast of the land.  Revelation 12:9 reveals that the dragon also goes by three other names, the serpent, the devil, and satan.

 

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

Revelation 16, 19, and 20 reveal that one of the beasts is “THE beast”, while the other beast is, “the false prophet”.

 

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:13

 

Notice that all three are possessed with unclean spirits.  These are alien spirits, these are aliens that also inhabit another dimension like a galaxy far, far, away.  So, in a real sense, we have aliens possessing the bodies of three people that form the unholy trinity.  While some have pictured aliens as green reptiles, we have them pictured in Revelation as frogs, although many frogs are green.  And technically, frogs are amphibians, not reptiles.  But who’s counting.  Don’t forget that another acceptable translation of the word “pale” in Revelation 6:8 talking about the fourth horseman, is “green”.

 

Let’s now examine the four horsemen who will ride and each in turn try to control the Roman Empire under their leadership.  These horsemen ride during the time of the end of this age as represented by the iron and clay of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.  The first one to ride was Napoleon.  Napoleon was of minor Roman (Italian) royalty who became the ruler of France and proceeded to try to conquer the former Roman Empire.  The second horseman to ride was Hitler.  Hitler was Austrian who became ruler of Germany and proceeded to try to conquer the former Roman Empire.

 

Imagine if I told you that the third horseman was one of the unholy trinity, specifically the beast.  Imagine if I then told you he would be revealed when he confirmed a covenant with many for one week to become ruler of a country made up of many people from the former Roman Empire.  Imagine if I told you that he would confirm his commitment to this covenant exactly one week before many people would need to return this confirmation by voting him into office to become ruler of this country.  Imagine if I told you this has already happened.

 

There was someone who confirmed his willingness to enter such a covenant in a multimillion dollar 30 minute commercial seen around the world in prime time in 2008, even preempting the start of the last game of the Baseball World Series.  Imagine if I told you the date this occurred was exactly, to the day, the date I had been waiting to see if such an event would happen since 2003.  Imagine my surprise when it did.

 

This date was also not kept to myself but shared with others.  An article was published on October 8, 2003 to the website www.FiveDoves.com.  This article alluded to how one could calculate this 2008 date if one so desired, based of course on subtracting 1 week which as explained in the article would be 7 years of 360 days from  September 23, 2015.  Excerpts from this article are shown in italics below:

The modern day commandment to rebuild Jerusalem occurred when the Nation of Israel captured Jerusalem on June 7, 1967.  Rebuilding has indeed occurred since that time in Jerusalem.  Adding 7 weeks or in other words 49 years of 360 days from June 7, 1967 brings us to exactly Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, in the year 2015, (September 23, 2015, Tishri 10, 5776). Would this not be the fulfillment of prophecy for Christ to return as the King of Kings “when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ’s coming”?

 It is very hard to have a truly original idea but I have searched the internet and not found this date, September 23, 2015, referenced in this regard.  So for now I can claim it as original and put it forth as the fulfillment of Daniels 7 weeks of his 70 week prophecy.  Time will tell whether this is the fulfillment of  this prophecy by Daniel.

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I will also leave it to others to subtract 7 years from September 23, 2015 if so desired.

 

 

This event 7 years before September 23, 2015 on October 29, 2008 has indeed given a tremendous amount of credibility to this particular interpretation of Daniel’s 70 weeks.  However, the icing on the cake came exactly 5 prophetic years before September 23, 2015 on October 19, 2010 when another member of the unholy trinity appears to have been identified as such by his actions on that day.  Incidentally, his actions on October 19, 2010 were widely reported in the press for all the world to know and for his brethren to understand.  This person to quite likely take the reins as the 4th horseman, identified himself not only with the 3rd horseman but the 2nd horseman as well.  This person traveled to Kenya, the country of the father of the one believed to be the beast, the 3rd horseman.  The country where the 3rd horseman’s step-grandmother says she witnessed the 3rd horseman’s birth.  The country where the 3rd  horseman’s elusive birth certificate is believed to reside.  In so doing with his father a British citizen, the 3rd horseman would have been born a British citizen, subject to the crown.  How appropriate.

 

Now, while in Kenya, the apparent 4th horseman, the prince in line for the crown of Britain, on October 19, 2010, proposed marriage to the woman with which he has been cohabitating.  This marriage will take center stage to divert attention away from the Bride of Christ, to divert attention away from the upcoming Marriage of the Lamb.  This marriage was announced to take place on April 29, 2011, the 66th anniversary of the marriage of Adolph Hitler, the 2nd horseman, no less.  (For more on the 1st – 3rd horsemen see chapters 1-14 of “The Lawless One” which were posted on Five Doves from October 2009 to April of 2010 and John Tng has so graciously kept on his home page.)

 

Counting April 17th as the 1st day and continuing the count we arrive at April 29th as the 13th day.  How the number 13, the 6th prime number, plays into all this is also laid out in the chapters referenced above.  How the mark of the beast could look to reflect both 6 and 13 while being both 666 and the number of the beast, is laid out at the following reference:

 

http://www.endofage.com/seal.html

 

Also note that October 19, 2010 is exactly 60 prophetic months from September 23, 2015 and exactly 6 prophetic months from April 17, 2011.  It is also the 44th prophetic year since June 7, 1967.  Note that the apparent 4th horseman was born in 1982 on a high black sabbat, the summer solstice, June 21st, or in European order of day then month, 21/6 or 216, the product of three 6’s.  And note that the apparent 4th horseman was not christened till 44 days later on August 4th, which was the 216th day of the year.  And finally note that the 44th President of the United States on the day of this christening would celebrate his 21st birthday, drinking age in much of the United States.  No kidding!

 

Now taking the birth date of June 21st in 1982 and subtracting the expected time from conception to when he exited the birth canal, one can determine his actual age, both biologically and Biblically.  Normal gestation is 40 weeks.  However, one could hazard to guess this gestation was not normal.  He very easily could have been premature by a week and we now have a number that is the product of 13 and 3 or 39 weeks.  So, subtracting 39 weeks or 39 times 7 we come to the date, 9/21/1981.  And now adding 30 prophetic years or 30 times 360 we land directly on the date, April 17, 2011.  Remember, the 4th horseman is imitating Joseph, beloved son of Jacob/Israel and the first born son of Rachel, by revealing himself to his brethren 5 years into the 7 years of tribulation.  And Joseph was also 30 years of age, like Jesus, when he entered his ministry to save Israel and the world from physical death.

 

And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.  Genesis 41:45

 

Just as Jesus saves everyone from spiritual and eternal death who will call upon Him to forgive them of their sins and turn from their evil ways and make Him Lord of their life.

 

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.  Mark 12:30

 

 

-Shalom,

Ted Porter

This is the second post

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/tedp419.htm

Ted Porter (19 Apr 2011)
Re: Suzi – Chapter XIX – The False Profit


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Suzi – Per your question yesterday. 

 

But, I am confused as to when you talk about THREE in this ‘unholy trinity’. Who is the 3rd?

 

This goes into more detail about the possible 3rd person of the unholy trinity in Novel form.  I’ve been on a sort of “sabbatical” from posting on Five Doves so wanted to answer your question but give you some explanation at the same time.  – Shalom

 

 

Chapter XIX – The False Profit

 

Dave was looking over part of Chuck’s manuscript that was now upon the table.  Dave said, “I see you have a scene called, “The False Profit”.  What’s that about?  And why are you spelling it P, R, O, F, I, T?”

 

Chuck said, “That’s all about, of course, the false prophet, spelled P, R, O, P, H, E, T.  Since you asked, I have a question for all of you.  What does the Bible say is the purpose of the false prophet?”

 

“Oh, that’s easy,” said Virginia.  “It’s to prepare the way for the antichrist.”

 

“Very good,” said Chuck, “Although as I’m sure you know, the book of Revelation never uses the word, “antichrist”.  On the other hand, the author of Revelation uses this term in both John I and II.  So we can use it.  Yes, just as John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ, the false prophet will prepare the way for the antichrist.  And just as both John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are from the tribe of Judah, in other words Jewish, so we would expect the heritage of both the false prophet and the antichrist would be somehow from the tribe of Judah.  Next question, how will the false prophet prepare the way for the antichrist?”

 

The rest of them looked at each other.  Dave finally said, “Okay, what is it?”

 

Chuck said, “I’ll give you a hint.  The key word is, “image”.  And as any politician will tell you, image is everything.  The purpose of the false prophet is to give power to the image of the antichrist.  Here, let me read it.”

 

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  Revelation 13:15

 

Chuck continued, “And we know the “he” in this verse is the false prophet because he is identified later in verse 19.  See.”

 

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.  Revelation 19:20

 

“I couldn’t agree with you more,” said Virginia.  The false prophet caused the image of the beast to have life, and then to even speak.  The Bible is describing talking pictures, what we call motion pictures.  The image has life because the image moves just like the real thing.  And the image speaks as well!”

 

“Well, blow me over, and call me late for supper” said Elizabeth.  “I never thought the Bible was describing a video, no less.  Just imagine, only 100 years ago they had no idea what this was talking about, let alone 2000 years ago.  My word, gave life to the image and had the image speaking as well, how much plainer could it be.”

 

Chuck said, “Not much plainer to me anyway.  So, I think we can agree that it seems clear now that “image” can mean a motion picture.  Or it could mean the persona of someone created for the consumption of the masses.  Or both. 

 

Obadiah said, “Well, it is pretty easy to figure out who gave power and money to the lawless one.”

 

Chuck said, “That is true.  Let’s say that the first beast introduced in Revelation 13 is the false prophet and the second is the antichrist.  Which means that it would be the false prophet that gives power to the image of the antichrist in verse 15.  That would also explain why it was the dragon who gave power to the false prophet in verse 4.

 

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?  Revelation 13:4

 

Chuck continued, “The question is whether the dragon gives earthly power by acting through and possessing a person.  We know the dragon is later identified as satan.  Okay, here it is.”

 

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  Revelation 12:9

 

Dave said, “I really have to share this.  I was thinking of the triangle of the unholy trinity with satan at the bottom.  I have also been playing with the numbers of these various names while you were all talking.  I know satan can change from the devil to lucifer, an angel of light, seeing whom he can deceive, so he shows two faces.  So I was thinking the name should reflect these two faces by being divisible by the numbers 13 and 8.  Running the numbers I found that while “satan” and “devil” were both divisible by 8, the word “serpent” was divisible by both 13 and 8.  There you have it.  Then I was thinking that the name of the false prophet could be 8, reflecting one face, and the name of the antichrist, of course, divisible by 13.  Of course Chuck, the first, middle, last, and even mother’s maiden name of one you identified in your play as possibly the lawless one are each one divisible by 13.  I then tried the first and last name of one who clearly gave power to the lawless one, and guess what, it was divisible by 8!”

 

Virginia said, “Really, both first and last name separately were divisible by 8?”

 

Dave said, “Well no, just first and last name together.”

 

Obadiah said, “Well that’s something anyway.”

 

Chuck said, “To me, that really is something.”

 

Dave said, “There’s more.  I was also thinking of King Arthur Pendragon again and that Merlin gave power to Arthur.  But then Excalibur really gave power to them both.  I then came to the realization that Excalibur represents the serpent, but not just represents, Excalibur is the serpent.  Think about it.  Excalibur bites with its two edges just as the serpent bites with its two fangs.  In the triangle of the unholy trinity you would have at the bottom Excalibur in place of the serpent rising up from the depths of the lake of fire.  Guess what?  The number for the word “Excalibur” is divisible by both 13 and 8 just like the number for the word “serpent!  Not only that, but while the number for the word “serpent” is 520, the number for the word “Excalibur” is exactly twice 520 at 1040!”

 

Stuart said, “You know, there really must be something to these numbers.”

 

Obadiah said, “Oh yea of little faith.  After all this time, you are just now coming around?”

 

Stuart smiled and replied, “What can I say.”

 

Dave said, “Well, guess what I can say.  If that made you think, this will blow you away!  Both Merlin and Arthur fit on the unholy trinity triangle as well.  Merlin would be the false prophet as the word “Merlin” is divisible by 8 while the word “Arthur” is divisible by 13!  The dragon Excalibur gives power that appears good that is divisible by 8 to Merlin while at the same time gives power that is bad that is divisible by 13 to Arthur.  Have you ever seen someone with a tattoo of a serpent wrapped around a sword?”

 

Stuart laughed and said, “Okay, now you’ve got me convinced!”

 

Elizabeth said, “Praise the Lord.”

 

Chuck said, “Anyway, my original false prophet in the play, which you all have easily figured out, is still very active today in predicting the future.  Just last night on TV I heard him predicting that in the United States we would have increased inflation, then increased unemployment, then actual state defaults.  Even now this guy is quite active, so he hasn’t gone away.  And he has many billions of dollars, some even think trillions at his disposal to enable him to create a false image of the lawless one.”

 

Stuart said, “And boy did this guy have to grease a lot of palms to create this false image.”

 

Dave said, “Boy, that’s for sure.  I was just reading about the lawless one’s step-grandma saying she was present at his birth in Kenya and then he has dozens of lawsuits that must be constantly prevented from even coming to court.  As the English version of Pravda stated in, well here is the source,”

 

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/17-09-2010/114965-{redacted last name}_birth_certificate-0/

 

Dave continued, “If any of these cases are ever able to be just heard in court, not won, just heard, it is all over for the lawless one.  Because, the case will be over in the discovery phase.  And even conservative estimates for what’s been spent so far are close to a billion dollars.  Where’d the money come from?”

 

Stuart said, “He does have a problem.  Of course, I’m sure building his image in the first place took a lot of money.  You don’t go from being a nobody with virtually no means of support, to what was he?   Oh yea, first a teacher at a college, then to State Senator and then to United States Senator in 2006.  Then, by 2008 he’s the US President.  That’s some kind of miracle.  Someone with mighty deep pockets had to build that image, almost overnight.  And had to bury is old image along with his college transcripts under a different name, and the biggest of all, his birth certificate.”

 

Obadiah said, “You know how it says he will make war on the Saints and overcome them?  Well, he sure did overcome Alan Keyes.  Twice.  If there was ever a Saint in government, Alan Keyes sure qualifies.”

 

Stuart said, “Yeah, I love that guy.”

 

Obadiah continued, “Me too.  And there were indeed many Saints that voted for him.  So this could be at least a partial fulfillment of Revelation 13:7 where it talks about overcoming the Saints and then be given power over the most powerful country in the world.”

 

Dave said, “True, virtually power to control the whole world.  Who can make war against the US?”

 

Obadiah said, “If anyone had a compelling interest in having him disqualified for not showing he meets the requirements to be President, it was Alan.”    

 

Virginia said, “I wonder what would happen if just one of all those cases finally makes it to just to the discovery phase.  Maybe that’s his mortal wound with the sword.”

 

Stuart said, “Yea, the sword of truth.  All those appointments out the window.  Just think, that will include his latest to the Supreme Court.”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t think anyone will argue there were more qualified persons to sit on the Supreme Court.  Her main claim to fame was that she had successfully defended the lawless one against all those lawsuits.  Or should I say, got them thrown out of court before they could be heard.  Didn’t even have to defend them in court!”

 

“Amazing, isn’t it,” said Eveyln.

 

“A miracle,” said Stuart.  “Or should I say many miracles.”

 

“Yes,” said Dave.  “Almost like fire descending from heaven and burning each of those lawsuits up the moment they touched a judge’s hand.”

 

Chuck said, “Dave, you of course are referring to what it says in Revelation.  I suppose another possibility could be smart bombs like those dropped in Iraq.  They could destroy all of the lawless ones opposition.  Just imagine if that is how the Saints are overcome.  Remove all opposition.  Of course that only leaves his supporters.  That could also explain how his wound by the sword is healed.  But Dave, I like the sound of your way better.”

 

Dave said, “Thanks, Chuck.  And as you were saying about the false prophet.”

 

Chuck said, “Oh, yes.  The false prophet gave power to the image of the beast.  And we know that the word “image” means not the real thing.  He has an “image” created for him, a history, a religion, a set of beliefs, what we can call a façade covering up the real person.  And another meaning is like in a motion picture where we have an image which is given life, to move, and to even speak.  And to do this took a whole lot of money.  That is one thing the false prophet has in spades.  He made literally billions if not trillions of dollars in profit, by predicting the future.”

 

Obadiah said, “I thought that was what true prophets did.  You know, predict the future.”

 

Chuck said, “Let me clarify that.  He predicted the future, usually the collapse of some countries currency, and then he caused that future to happen, or rather “nudged” it.  And for that he was handsomely rewarded through buying and selling futures and shorts on the currencies.  You realize in all of this making of money, none of it was from producing any goods or services?  So, whether this person is “the” false prophet, he is definitely “a” false prophet, in both senses of the word.”

 

Stuart said, “Don’t you mean both senses of the two words?  You know, the one ending in P, H, E, T, and the other in F, I, T!”

 

Virginia said, “If you are a true prophet then you can predict the future and you could make a lot of money.”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t think God would give someone the gift of prophecy so they could profit from it.  Remember, Daniel refused the King’s money?  And also remember the story of the prophet Balaam and his donkey?  You know, how the Angel of the Lord was going to kill him for trying to profit?  But then the donkey refused to move?  And then Balaam beat his donkey?”

 

Elizabeth said, “I shore ‘nough do.  I love that story!”

 

“You do not,” said Virginia.

 

“No, I really do,” said Elizabeth.  “It has a moral.  It means we shouldn’t abuse the gifts God gives us.”

 

“True,” said Chuck.  “But from all indications, the gift of prophecy was not bestowed upon this false prophet.  True, he is of the tribe of Judah on both sides of his family.  And remember, Jesus declared that John the Baptist, also of the tribe of Judah, was the greatest prophet born of women.”

 

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: ……Luke 7:28

 

“So,” said Obadiah, “Let me get this straight.  Both the lawless one and this particular false prophet, well at least false P, R, O, F, I, T, have Jewish blood coursing through their veins.”

 

“Yes, of course,” said Chuck.  “While we’ve talked about the lineage of the lawless one and even how we think his father’s side should go back all the way to Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, people have actually run his lineage all the way back to Solomon on his mother’s side.  But he isn’t a full blooded Jew.  However, this false prophet has Jewish blood on both his mother’s and father’s side.

 

“Okay,” said Virginia.  “I’m confused.  I thought you said that the lawless one is the 3rd and not the 4th horseman.  Yet that doesn’t leave anyplace to put the false prophet.  And then you start spelling it as if it was profit from money.  The guy you are talking about may have made billions but the lawless one is in charge of trillions.”

 

“True,” said Chuck.  “Which means the false P, R, O, F, I, T would be on a world-wide scale well over a thousand times greater than this other person.  We’ve already seen in the last two years massive out of control spending by the United States government that dwarfs the previous years spending.  And we’ve seen the printing presses going wild.  This can only lead to the dollar becoming worthless.  And any securities redeemable in US dollars will become worthless as well.  We already know the US has had to sign away to the Chinese government its parks and public lands as collateral against its greenback.  And the only reason we haven’t seen the complete collapse of the US dollar is because it is the reserve currency of the World.  And as they say, when the US sneezes, the World catches a cold.

 

Dave said, “Sure brings into perspective how the third horseman is described in terms of how much it costs to buy food.  I believe it’s like a days wages for a small amount of grain.  Here let me pull it up and read it.”

 

And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.  Revelation 6:5-6

 

Chuck said, “You can see my dilemma.  The lawless one sure fits being the third horseman, and for many reasons not just this one.”

 

Obadiah said, “So how did you have everything in your original play?”

 

Chuck said, “Well, before the producers and the money people and everyone got involved I had the false prophet making a false profit, F, I, ,T, and giving over 6 billion of his ill gotten gain to the Democratic National Committee which  assured the election of the lawless one.  I had a scene where Jesus was hailed as King of Kings and the next where he gets violently mad at the money changers in the Temple, fashions a whip, drives them out, and overturns their tables.  I had this verse being read.”

 

And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;  John 2:15

 

Obadiah said, “Jesus was the Prince of Peace.  Well actually He IS the Prince of Peace.  Yet this is the only time I know that He did get violently, physically, mad.”

 

Chuck said, “Exactly.  He got physically mad at the money changers for their ill gotten gain, their false profit.  They were exchanging money from Jews who had come from all around the world to celebrate the Passover that week at the Temple in Jerusalem.  These Jews had money from all around the world.  They needed animal sacrifices that could only be purchased with local money, the type the money changers were exchanging.”

 

Stuart said, “I’m sure the exchange rates were particularly steep right before Passover.”

 

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “That is exactly what they did.  They manipulated the exchange rates of currency from around the world to make money.  And that is exactly how the false prophet has made billions of dollars of false profit.”

 

Elizabeth said, “That’s what I like to see.  Taking the present back to the Bible.  History repeating itself.  To think, Boy, Jesus getting violently mad.  The only time I can think of him getting violently mad.  And money buys influence, today just as it did back then.  No wonder Jesus was crucified that same week.”

 

Chuck said, “Money does buy influence.  Tell me about it.  That’s why I’ve had such a hard time getting my play produced.  Do I change my play to get it produced?  But if I don’t, will it ever be seen by the public?”

 

Dave asked, “Isn’t it better to have part of the truth come out than none at all?”

 

Obadiah said, “I don’t know.  Is a half-truth better than no truth?  Won’t a half-truth deceive so the person will no longer receive the whole truth?  Doesn’t a vaccine introduce part of a virus or a dead virus so the person is no longer affected by the real virus?”

 

Virginia said, “So, Chuck, in your original play you had the false prophet who prepared the way for the lawless one.  And you had the lawless one being the third horseman.  So, who did you have as the fourth horseman.”

 

Chuck said, “I had as the fourth horseman, the dragon, the serpent, the green reptile.”

 

Stuart chuckled, “I’m sorry.  I was just picturing this giant green talking lizard.”

 

Virginia said, “You’re thinking of the TV commercial.”

 

Stuart said, “Yes, with a British accent, or is it Australian?”

 

Obadiah said, “Seriously you guys.  I had figured this out from the unholy trinity Chuck had showed us with satan, who is the serpent, who is the dragon, at the bottom.”

 

Virginia said, “Shouldn’t we be seeing this green reptile pretty soon?”

 

Chuck said, “Well, according to the timetable I had in my play, the third horseman would confirm a covenant with many at the 7 year countdown mark on October 29, 2008.  I was able to identify the third horseman by looking at that date.  Then the fourth horseman would reveal himself to his brethren at the 5 year countdown mark on October 19, 2010.  I have not been able to identify yet the fourth horseman.”

 

Elizabeth said, “Maybe because you aren’t one of his brethren.”

 

Chuck said, “That’s a good point.  That makes me feel better anyway.  Maybe I shouldn’t be doubting my ideas for the third and fourth horseman.  Maybe I shouldn’t be entertaining the idea of forcing the false prophet into the position of the third horseman.”

 

Stuart said, “So how do we decide who is the third and who is the fourth horseman?”

 

“Simple,” said Elizabeth, “We look at the first and second.”

 

Chuck said, “Elizabeth, you are exactly right!”

 

Dave said, “You know, I’ve mentioned James Harrison’s book “The Pattern & The Prophecy” before.  I remember him devoting quite a bit of time to the first and second horseman, Napoleon, and Hitler.  He calls them the two antichrists or beasts of modern times, but not the ultimate antichrist.  Here, it will only take me a second to look it up.  Oh yeah, I found it on page 280.  He starts off by saying under the section titled, “Hitler and Napoleon” the following:”

 

We have seen the Antichrists of the ancient world:  Cheops, Nimrod, Semiramis, Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Nero, and the Roman Empire.  Now we will investigate two beasts of modern times:  Hitler and Napoleon.

 

Dave continued, “He goes on to say on page 283:”

 

  • ·        The parallels between these two sons of satan began at birth.  Napoleon wasn’t French; he was born on the island of Corsica and always spoke French with an Italian accent.  Hitler wasn’t German, he was Austrian; he spoke High German with an Austrian accent.  For that matter, Alexander wasn’t completely Greek; he was Macedonian, and he always spoke in a Greek dialect.

 

“Boy,” said Stuart.  “Look at the parallels.  We know the lawless one isn’t American, being born in Kenya and then going to grade school in Indonesia.  He would have had British citizenship through his father.  We also know he visited foreign countries as a young adult that were off limits to Americans.  So he had to have a passport as a citizen of another country.  He also lived on an island growing up, like Napoleon.  Well, two when you count Hawaii.  That sure fits.”

 

Chuck said, “And the one I had originally as the 3rd horseman, the possible false prophet isn’t American either.  Plus he’s connected in several ways to the 2nd horseman, Hitler.  See, Hitler was born in Austria-Hungary, which later became Austria.  This original false prophet was born in Hungary.  Then, as a teenager while his Dad spent time as a Jew in prison, he actually assisted with confiscation of Jewish property.  There’s another parallel as well.  He is also lived on an island growing up, but one close enough to the mainland where his Dad would take a rowboat from the island each day to work.”

 

“Very good points,” said Dave, let me read on:

 

  • ·        By 1812 Napoleon was the master of Europe; and in 1942 Hitler was dictator of Europe.  The former tried to impose his Continental Monetary System; the latter forced his New Order Economics for buying and selling on a defeated continent.  Sound familiar?  Aren’t we hearing identical phrases today?  In each case Russia and England refused to fit into these controlling webs of economic domination. 

 

“I just noticed,” said Obadiah, “We have exactly 130 years between 1812 and 1942.  There’s that number 13 again.  Although these are actual years and not prophetic years like we have exactly 13 between the birth or Ray Mabus and the birth of the lawless one.  Let’s see, the lawless one was elected president of the most powerful country in the world in 2008.  And from 1942 to 2008 is 66 years.  Now what kind of coincidence is that?”

 

“Some kind of coincidence!” repeated Elizabeth.  “I’m getting goosebumps!”

 

Dave said, “Also, very good points.  There are a lot of parallels here in this book.  I don’t know how many will continue with the lawless one.  One that was of interest to me was the one about the summer solstice.

 

  • ·        Each Beast’s decision to invade Russia took place on the summer solstice – a satanic high Black sabbat.  Napoleon’s was on 22 June 1812, Hitler’s on 21 June 1941.

 

Dave continued, “Starting on page 286 he has, well let me just read it.”

 

To mock Christ’s Millennial Reign, Hitler proclaimed the Third Reich would last a 1000 years.  The propaganda for this attempt at reviving the Holy Roman Empire (the First Reich) was under the masterful control of a second beast, Joseph Goebbels.  This false prophet organized all Hitler’s propaganda triumphs.

 

But the beast was captured [in the Bunker] and with him the false prophet who performed the miraculous signs [propaganda] on his behalf.  With these signs he had deluded those [Nazi members] who had received the mark of the beast [swastika] and worshiped his image.  The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur [gasoline soaked pit].

 

Virginia said, “So this guy is saying that Goebbels was the false prophet and Hitler was the antichrist?”

 

Dave said, “I don’t think that is what this guy is saying.”

 

Virginia said, “Well that is how it sounded to me.  Now are we to expect Hitler’s deadly head wound to be healed and they’ll bring him back to life like Jesus Christ was brought back to life?  Maybe they already have?”

 

Dave said, “No, I really don’t think so.  I realize some think that all ideas are equally valid, especially if there is no evidence to the contrary.  But I’m certainly not among them.  I also realize that the wilder the idea, the more likely for some to accept it. “

 

Obadiah said, “Hey, that’s like Hitler’s idea of telling a big lie because that is more believable to people.  The reasoning being that these people can image someone telling a small lie since they tell small lies, but it is beyond their comprehension that someone would tell a big lie, because they wouldn’t.”

 

Virginia said, “But you can’t just dismiss this idea.”

 

“Okay,” said Dave.  “We can’t just dismiss it.  But from everything else he is saying, both Napoleon and Hitler are antichrists that lead up to the final antichrist.  And his analogy of the swastika being a mark of the beast is interesting.  In a sense they needed it to buy or sell.  And then the hexagram that was placed on the Jews didn’t allow them to buy or sell and actually marked them for death.  Since Chuck is using stars in the shape of a hexagram as the mark of the beast, we have another tie-in with Hitler, but we don’t have Hitler.

 

Obadiah said, “And you don’t see his name equaling 666.”

 

Dave said, “Funny you should mention that.  Cause this book now gets into how both the names Napoleon and Hitler can equal 666.  He first refers again to Tolstoy and Napoleon’s Russian campaign in the third volume of War and Peace, chapter 19.  Basically, it says that Tolstoy is treating the French alphabet in a similar way to the Hebrew enumeration.  However it looks like he skips the letter “J”.  It also looks like he counts by 1’s up to 10, then 10’s, up from there.  The Hebrew enumeration stops counting by 10’s once it reaches 100.  Then counts by 100’s.  Well, I guess it is close.

 

Virginia said, “I didn’t quite catch all that!”

 

“Okay,” said Dave, “We have, A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, K=10, L=20, M=30, N=40, O=50, P=60, Q=70, R=80, S=90, T=100, U=110, V=120, W=130, X=140, Y=150, Z=160.  Got it?”

 

“I think,” said Virginia.  “It says that the name “Napoleon” equals 666 using this code.”

 

Dave said, “Okay, actually it uses his title in French also, so the complete phrase is, “Le Empereur Napoleon”.

 

Virginia said, “I don’t mean to be argumentative but where do they get off leaving out the “J”?  I happen to know French and it has the same exact alphabet as the English.  Why, the Norman French even conquered England at one time.  All our English kings, the French, English, well even some of the German’s, are related.”

 

Dave said, “I don’t know.  Maybe the language was different 200 years ago.  Here let me search the internet for, well it was probably called “middle French” like we have “middle English.”  Okay, looking up “middle French alphabet”.  Let me scan this.  Okay, I found something at Wictionary.org.  Let me read it..

 

The Middle French alphabet uses 25 letters, the 26 letters of the Modern French alphabet, minus the j which is written as an i.

 

Virginia said, “Let me see that.  Okay, I see that.  But look here, it says the break between Middle French and Modern French was around 1600 AD.  Although the way this reads, it sounds a little vague.  But regardless, you still have to keep counting by 10’s after 100 to make it work, instead of switching to counting by 100’s.  I’d like to see it with the current code.

 

Dave said, “That’s easy to do”, as he pulled up his code converter.  Dave continued, “Typing in “Le Empereur Napoleon” it comes to well, look at that, 966.

 

They all crowded around to look at Dave’s computer screen.  Obadiah said, “an upside down six followed by two right-side up ones.  That’s pretty close for an antichrist leading up to the antichrist.”

 

Dave said, “Well, let’s just try Napoleon.  Okay, that’s 266.  Boy sure a lot of 66’s.  But I’d like to add in Tolstoy’s defense he uses the same alphabet again with the same result.  Here look at Napoleon.”

 

L  E    E M   P E  R E   U   R      N  A  P  O   L  E O   N

20 5 + 5 30 60 5 80 5 110 80 + 40 1 60 50 20 5 50 40 = 666

 

Dave said, “Now look in this book at how Tolstoy added up “quarante-deux” which means 42, the number of months that God will allow the antichrist to rule, to also equal 666.”

 

 Q   U   A R  A N    T   E – DE   U    X

70 110 1 80 1 40 100 5 + 4 5 110 140 = 666

 

Dave continued, “And then he brings up another code for getting Hitler starting with A=100 and counting by 1’s.  Look at this.”

 

English Alphabet

A=100, B=101, C=102, D=103, E=104, F=105, G=106, H=107, I=108, J=109, K=110, L=111, M=112, N=113, O=114, P=115, Q=116, R=117, S=118, T=119, U=120, V=121, W=122, X=123, Y=124, Z=125

 

  H     I      T     L     E     R

107 108 119 111 104 117 = 666

 

Chuck said, “Thanks Dave.  That really brings us up to the present day with the lawless one, the third antichrist, the third horseman.”

 

“That reminds me,” said Obadiah, “What happened to the fourth horseman?  Chuck, how are you covering that in your play?”

 

“Oh, the green horseman,” said Chuck.  “Although the King James uses the word “pale”.  But then the King James turns around and uses the word “green” elsewhere for the same Greek word.  It’s also the same Greek word we get our English word, “chlorophyll”.  You, know the green substance in plants.  Although when green plants die they do turn pale.”

 

Obadiah said, “The green horseman, the pale horseman.  We already have a white horseman which isn’t much different than pale.  So maybe the correct translation is green.”

 

“Who knows,” said Stuart.

 

“Who cares,” said Virginia, almost under her breath.

 

Dave said, “So Virginia, the color makes no difference to you?”

 

Virginia said, “I don’t see how the color helps us in identifying the last horseman.”

 

Obadiah said, “It did with the first three.”

 

Chuck said, “Well, you know how Daniel says that the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy Jerusalem.  We know the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.  So, there are many who think the British Empire is the rightful heirs of Rome, the destroyer of Jerusalem.  The people of the prince are British so the prince that is to come will be British.”

 

Obadiah said, “The British Monarchy sure seems to think so, anyway.”

 

Chuck continued, “So what is part of Great Britain called but the Emerald Isle?  And where is considered the epicenter of the International Date Line but in Greenwich, England?  Even the name gives it away.  You know, Green Witch.  A play on words.

 

“Cute,” said Stuart

 

Chuck said, “It’s not just cute.  It’s serious.  But then there are those who believe the last horseman really will be green.  More precisely he is believed to be Nimrod who by some accounts was 2/3rds alien demon and 1/3rd human.  The only scenario that seems possible from a reproduction standpoint is if the genetic material was somehow manipulated to create a 2/3rds alien or 66.6%, and 1/3rd human or 33.3%.”

 

Stuart said, “There are those numbers again, 666 and 333.”

 

Obadiah said, “This sure sounds like satan in some evil way trying to one-up God.  You know, Jesus Christ being considered only half Creator God and then half human.  What would it have to be?  I was thinking Man has a double helix DNA.  Wouldn’t this have to be genetic manipulation somehow into a triple?

 

Elizabeth said, “Don’t know if I go in for all this alien stuff.”

 

Dave said, “Don’t know if we will really know until they are revealed.  We do know there are demons.  Whether they can actually procreate and did, is a good question.  Whether this is where the giants came from, the titans, which by the way the word “titan” in the Greek has a number equivalency of 666, who really knows.  They could have been Cain’s seed.  All we know is there were giants in the land.”

 

Chuck said, “That is true, I would point out though that what differentiates males from females is that males have an X and a Y chromosome while females have two X chromosomes.  However, there are males genetically born today that have two Y chromosomes and an X.  Studies have been conducted as to whether this predisposes them to violence.  There are a disproportionate number of these males in prison.  However there are others that have been able to lead productive lives.  So instead of the actual helix being somehow a triple, we could just be talking about two Z chromosomes and then an X.  The bottom line in my book is as in the days of Noah, well let me read the verses I have in my notes.”

 

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.  And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  Genesis 6:4-5

 

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.  Genesis 6:8

 

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  Matthew 24:37

 

Chuck continued, “The bottom line is that we would expect a tall person, although height is relative.  We have people alive now at over 8 feet tall.  Let me look at my notes.  Okay I see Goliath of the Bible was around 9 ½ feet tall if you use 18 inch cubits or 13 ¾ feet tall if you use 25.2 in cubits.  However, I still noticed a progression in height among the 4 horsemen.  Napoleon still holds supreme as being the prime example of  “short man syndrome”.  Yet there is some disagreement whether he was 5’ 2” or 5’ 6”.  You see, his French physician reported at his death that he measured 5’ 2” tall.  But some think these were in French inches, slightly larger than British inches.  This would be equivalent to around 5’ 6” British.  However, his death certificate was cosigned by several British attending physician witnesses.  Would they have allowed the measurements of this French tyrant to have been stated in anything but British units?  Doesn’t matter, I heard they have a full length desk mask of him anyway that measures around 5’2” to 5’ 3”.”

 

Dave said, “You are just full of facts.  So how tall was Hitler?”

 

Chuck looked down at the paper in front of him.  “He was, let’s see, around 5’ 8”.  And then, I’ve got the lawless one in my play as being 6’ 1” tall.”

 

Obadiah said, “Let me throw this one out.  I notice each of the second and third horsemen around 5 inches taller than the previous.  So, following the same projection we have the final antichrist as being, 6’ 6”.  See the double 6’s.”

 

Chuck said, “Good speculation Obadiah.  However, Nimrod was reported as being considerably taller.  Maybe 9’ 9”, who knows.  But lets go on to his other qualifications.  Remember how it looks like all three horsemen spent much of their childhood growing up on islands?  Well Nimrod grew up on the island of Crete.  There you go.”

 

Dave said, “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea.  That’s from the 1st verse in Revelation 13.”

 

Chuck continued, “Very good Dave.  I was also going to point out that Nimrod is said to have died from a head wound.  You wouldn’t happen to remember that verse?”

 

“Not off the top of my head,” said Dave.  “Oops.  Sorry.  Bad taste.  Didn’t mean to say that.”

 

Virginia said, “I don’t get it.”

 

Dave said, “Never mind.”

 

Chuck said, “I’ve got the reference on my paper.  I’ll read it.”

 

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.  Revelation 13:3

 

Chuck said, “So if he came back to life, even if they used genetic manipulation to insert his DNA into a donor, his head wound would in a sense be healed.”

 

“Wild speculation,” said Virginia.

 

Chuck said, “Now you see why I wrote a play on the lawless one instead of the green, or should I say, pale prince.”

 

Obadiah said, “He would be pale if he were dead no matter what his original skin color.”

 

Chuck said, “Reading on, I’ve got the following verses and list.”

 

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.  Revelation 17:10-11

 

Chuck continued, “Now one interpretation is these are not just kings but kingdoms and by incorporating the kingdoms prophesied in Daniel we have the following empires in the following order”:

 

1.      Egypt

2.      Assyria

3.      Babylon

4.      Medo-Persia

5.      Greece

6.      Rome

7.      “Holy” Roman Empire / Spanish / French / British / German Empires?

 

Chuck stopped and looked around and then said.  “Rome, as the Iron in Daniel’s statue seems to continue till the end of this age in one form or another.  As some have noted, the “Holy” Roman Empire was neither “Holy” nor particularly Roman, although it contained many of the same countries as Rome.  It definitely persecuted the Saints as documented in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.  But then after this we have the British empire which cannot be excluded as it was the largest empire in all of history.  That should qualify it for something.  And the effects of this kingdom are still felt to this day in that the world has now one main language in which best to communicate, that being English.  And the last one I have on this list is.”

 

8.      Revived Roman Empire?

 

Chuck looked up from his paper and looked around.  Everyone was looking intently at him.  Chuck continued.  “The first reason I had the revived Roman Empire is because that is the popular belief because the last empire could belong to the prince that is to come whose people destroyed the Temple in 70 AD.  While the second reason is because we are still in the iron of Daniel’s Kingdom Man, although maybe iron mixed with clay.”

 

Stuart said, “Well that is pretty close to what I’ve heard throughout the years.”

 

Chuck said, “True, however another way to look at this is these really could be kings.  Furthermore all these kings could be antichrists leading up to the final antichrist.  So, we should look for kings throughout history who set out to destroy God’s plan for the salvation of His people.  Anyway, the list I’ve compiled for this is:”

 

1.      Nimrod – The Assyrian – Tried to kill Abraham

2.      Pharaoh – Egypt – Enslaved Israelites.  Killed male babies in attempt to kill Moses (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)

3.      Nebuchadnezzar – Babylon – Destroyed Jerusalem and deported inhabitants

4.      Hamon the Agagite – Medes/Persians – Tried to annihilate all Jews in the World

5.      Alexander – Greece – Slaughtered all Males of Tyre, (northwest of Jerusalem) and sold all woman and children into slavery

6.      Herod – Rome – Conquered Jerusalem.  Killed male babies in attempt to kill Jesus (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)

7.      Hitler – Tried to wipe out Jews so Israel would not be reborn

8.      Nimrod – The Assyrian -Will try to wipe out all Saints so no one left to form Bride of Christ

 

Chuck paused for a moment and then asked, “What do you think?”

 

Obadiah said, “Interesting!”

 

Dave said, “Definitely thought provoking.  I saw where you also slipped in without really discussing it about Nimrod being “the Assyrian.”

 

“Yes,” said Chuck.  “There is so much in the Bible dedicated to discussing the Assyrian.  One of my favorites is in Micah where it tells the story of Jesus Christ who was born in Bethlehem, returning to the Mount of Olives, cleaving the rock below him as foretold in Zechariah 14, after the remnant have returned to Israel, and doing battle against the Assyrian, and winning.  Here, let me read it starting in Chapter 1 for background.”

 

The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.  Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the LORD from his holy temple.  For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.  And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.  Micah 1:1-4

 

“Then, said Chuck, “Let’s move to Chapter 5 where the birthplace of Jesus is prophesied and the Assyrian is mentioned with nimrod.”

 

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.  Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.  And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.  And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.  And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.  Micah 5:2-6

 

Virginia said, “Boy, my mind is about to explode.  Can we table this and begin bright and early tomorrow morning?”

 

Stuart said, “Fine with me.  It is getting late in the afternoon.  Been an interesting day.”

 

“Amen to that,” said Elizabeth

 

Fbe 19, 2011 WorldNetDaily article Challenge to Obama getting 2nd conference before court

The nation is split, those who believe that Obama is eligible to be President and those who do not. It is not important what the public believes is the case, but what the constitutional law requires.

As such in case of a major disagreement in the system by many courts is the duty of the Supreme Court to debate the case in a constitutionally interpretation of the issue at hand.

That this case is politically a very sensitive issue doe not matter to the Justices. But based in the obvious conflict of interest that this case presents it will have ramifications that could act to undermine the rule of law.

If the court acts in a perceived carelessness to the law it would affect the Moral fiber upon which the Constitution is founded on.

Nando

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=264897

Stunner! Supremes to give eligibility case another look

Challenge to Obama getting 2nd conference before court


Posted: February 17, 2011
2:23 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

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U.S. President Barack Obama (R) delivers remarks at the Chrysler Indiana Transmission Plant II in Kokomo, Indiana on November 23, 2010. Obama along with Vice President Joe Biden traveled to Kokomo as part of their White House to Main Street tour of areas helped by the Recovery Act and auto industry bailout.   UPI/Brian Kersey Photo via Newscom

In a stunning move, the U.S. Supreme Court has scheduled another “conference” on a legal challenge to Barack Obama’s eligibility to occupy the Oval Office, but officials there are not answering questions about whether two justices given their jobs by Obama will participate. The court has confirmed that it has distributed a petition for rehearing in the case brought by attorney John Hemenway on behalf of retired Col. Gregory Hollister and it will be the subject of a conference on March 4. It was in January that the court denied, without comment, a request for a hearing on the arguments. But the attorney at the time had submitted a motion for Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, who were given their jobs by Obama, to recuse. Should Obama ultimately be shown to have been ineligible for the office, his actions, including his appointments, at least would be open to challenge and question. At the time, the Supreme Court acknowledged the “motion for recusal” but it changed it on official docketing pages to a “request.” And it reportedly failed to respond to the motion. Available to order now! The definitive answer on Obama’s eligibility, in “Where’s The Birth Certificate?” by New York Times best-selling author Dr. Jerome Corsi.Hemenway then submitted a request for a rehearing, pointing out that the situation appeared to be violating the rules of the U.S. Supreme Court.(Story continues below)

 

 

 

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He also argued that if court members continue to “avoid” the dispute they effectively will “destroy the constitutional rule of law basis of our legal system.” “We have not exaggerated in presenting the question of the constitutional rule of law being at stake in this matter,” Hemenway wrote in a petition for rehearing before the high court. “A man has successfully run for the office of president and has done so, it appears, with an awareness that he is not eligible under the constitutional requirement for a person to be president.

 

 

 

Case motion for recusal of Sotomayor and Kagan

“Despite a vigorous campaign that he has conducted to make ‘unthinkable’ the very idea of raising the issue of his eligibility under the Constitution to ‘be’ president the issue has not gone away,” Hemenway said. “Instead it has steadily grown in the awareness of the public. Should we be surprised that he shows no respect for the constitutional rule of law? What else would we expect?” he wrote. The U.S. Supreme Court today did not respond to WND questions today about whether the two justices would participate in the conference, and there was no response to WND’s request that questions be forwarded to the justices themselves about their plans. “The real question here is one of getting members of the judiciary to take seriously the oath that they swore to protect and preserve the Constitution,” Hemenway wrote in his petition for rehearing. “To continue to avoid the issue will destroy the constitutional rule of law basis of our legal system when it is under vigorous assault as surely as if the conscious decision were made to cease preserving and protecting our founding charter.” That the justices are “avoiding” the Obama issue already has been confirmed by one member of the court. It was last year when Justice Clarence Thomas appeared before a U.S. House subcommittee that the issue arose.

 

 

 

Docketing information from Supreme Court

Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., raised the question amid a discussion on racial diversity in the judiciary. “I’m still waiting for the [court decision] on whether or not a Puerto Rican can run for president of the United States,” said Serrano, who was born in the island territory. “That’s another issue.” Yet after Serrano questioned him on whether or not the land’s highest court would be well-served by a justice who had never been a judge, Thomas not only answered in the affirmative but also hinted that Serrano would be better off seeking a seat in the Supreme Court than a chair in the Oval Office. “I’m glad to hear that you don’t think there has to be a judge on the court,” said Serrano, “because I’m not a judge; I’ve never been a judge.” “And you don’t have to be born in the United States,” said Thomas, referring to the Constitution, which requires the president to be a natural born citizen but has no such clause for a Supreme Court justice, “so you never have to answer that question.” “Oh really?” asked Serrano. “So you haven’t answered the one about whether I can serve as president, but you answer this one?” “We’re evading that one,” answered Thomas, referring to questions of presidential eligibility and prompting laughter in the chamber. “We’re giving you another option.” The video: Hemenway’s arguments came in the petition for rehearing that followed the decision last month by the court not to hear the arguments. However, he pointed out in the petition for rehearing that the U.S. Supreme Court appears to have broken its own rules in his case by failing to respond to a pending recusal motion. That circumstance is enough, he argues, for another hearing to be held on the case, and this time without participation by the two justices appointed to the court by Obama. Laurence Elgin, one of the experts working with the Constitutional Rule of Law Fund and website and monitoring the Hollister case, said the attorneys wanted Kagan and Sotomayor to remain out of the arguments since both were appointed to their lifetime posts by Obama and clearly would have a personal interest in the dispute if Obama was found to be ineligible and his actions, including his appointments, void.

Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor appears before the Senate Judiciary Committee during the fourth day of her confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington on July 16, 2009. UPI/Kevin Dietsch Photo via Newscom

Hemenway submitted such a motion, but since the motion never was given a response, it should be acted on as if it were granted by the court, the petition for rehearing argues.

“Petitioners would request the court to rehear their petition and in doing so to consider the consequences of their motion for recusal of December 30, 2010 being treated as conceded because it was not opposed in a timely fashion under the rules of this court,” said the document, submitted to the court.

“Rule 21 (4) of the court requires that any motion shall have an opposition to it filed, if one is to be filed, ‘as promptly as possible considering the nature of the relief sought … and, in any event, within 10 days of receipt.’ Thus by January 14, 2011, when petitioners’ petition was denied without comment, the respondents had failed to respond to the motion,” Hemenway wrote.

“Therefore, as a matter of due process of the court, petitioners suggest that the court should have on that day considered the possibility that the motion had been conceded by respondents with an examination of the consequences of that failure,” the brief explains.

“If petitioners are entitled to have their motion for recusal as conceded because of lack of a timely opposition, as petitioners contend is the case, then the court was obliged to make sure that the Justices Sotomayor and Kagan did not participate in the decision. Yet there was no statement that they did not participate,” the brief states.

The brief further argues that because of the lack of a response or acknowledgment by the court, the court should have considered “the law of nations on matters of citizenship such as the phrase in question here as placed in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, namely, the requirement that a president ‘be’ a ‘natural born citizen.'”

Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan, President Obama's pick to replace retiring Justice John Paul Stevens, testifies during the second day of her confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington on June 29, 2010. UPI/Kevin Dietsch Photo via Newscom

The argument continued, “Thus, it would seem, with all due respect, that if the court is required to and does treat the petitioners’ motion for recusal as conceded the court would be required to consider the intent of the Framers of the Constitution in choosing the Article II phrase ‘natural born citizen.’

“That is, of course, assuming that the majority of its members still believe that the intent of the Framers is essential to the constitutional rule of law in this country,” the filing said.

In the original petition to the high court, the pleadings noted that if Obama is not constitutionally eligible, it will create a crisis.

“If proven true, those allegations mean that every command by the respondent Obama and indeed every appointment by respondent Obama, including the appointment of members [Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor] of this and every other court, may be only de facto but not de jure [by right of law],” stated the pleading.

“Further, his signature on every law passed while he occupies the Oval Office is not valid if he is not constitutionally eligible to occupy that office de jure,” it continued.

“Thus, it is not hyperbole to state that the entire rule of law based on the Constitution is at issue. Moreover, it would indicate that the respondent Obama ran for the office of president knowing that his eligibility was at the very least in question,” it continued.

Elgin earlier confirmed that Hemenway, as the attorney of record, got the notice from the court that the certiorari petition was denied without comment. But he said there was nothing from the court on the motion for recusal.

The order on Jan. 18 from the high court simply listed case 10-678, Hollister, Gregory S. v. Soetoro, Barry, et al as “denied” with no explanation.

It appears from the court’s documentation that Kagan and Sotomayor participated in the “conference,” the meeting at which Supreme Court justices determine which cases they will take. On other cases there are notations that Kagan or Sotomayor did not participate, and the Hollister case is without any such reference.

Although proceedings are not public, it is believed that a case must earn four votes among the nine justices before it is heard.

WND reported when another eligibility case attorney who has brought cases to the high court, Orly Taitz, approached Justice Antonin Scalia about the issue.

“Scalia stated that it would be heard if I can get four people to hear it. He repeated, you need four for the argument. I got a feeling that he was saying that one of these four that call themselves constitutionalists went to the other side,” Taitz said.

At that time, the Supreme Court was considered to have a 4-4 conservative-liberal split, with one swing vote on most issues. On the conservative side generally was Chief Justice John Roberts, Justices Samuel Alito, Scalia and Thomas. Justice Anthony Kennedy often is the swing vote. The liberal side frequently included Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.

Stevens and Souter have departed since then and have been replaced by Obama with the like-minded Kagan and Sotomayor. Presumably, should there be only seven justices in the discussion, three votes might be sufficient to move the case forward.

Hollister’s case is one of the longest-running among those challenging Obama’s eligibility.

Elgin told WND that the case, throughout the district and appellate court levels, never was denied standing, a major hurdle that has torpedoed many of the other eligibility disputes to rise to the level of court opinions.

The petition for rehearing explains that the “certification of live birth” posted online by the Obama campaign in 2008 cannot be cited as proof, since “Sun Yat Sen, the Chinese nationalist leader,” was granted “the same type of document that the respondents have claimed on the Internet and from the White House ‘proves’ that the respondent Obama was born in Hawaii.”

It cited as an example of Obama’s disconnect from the “rule of law” his administration’s “illegal ban on offshore drilling,” which was struck down by Judge Martin Feldman.

“They immediately came back and instituted a further illegal ban, showing no respect for the rule of law at all,” the petition argues.

Further is the recent judge’s ruling in Florida that Obama’s health-care law is unconstitutional.

“The respondent Obama and those working for him have made it clear that they intend to ignore the decision and proceed as if they never opposed it vigorously in court and the decision never happened,” the argument explains.

The Hollister case made headlines at the district court level because of the ruling from District Judge James Robertson of Washington.


Judge James Robertson

In refusing to hear evidence about whether Obama is eligible, Robertson wrote in his notice dismissing the case, “The issue of the president’s citizenship was raised, vetted, blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged by America’s vigilant citizenry during Mr. Obama’s two-year-campaign for the presidency, but this plaintiff wants it resolved by a court.”

Along with the sarcasm, the evidence pertinent to the dispute was ignored.

The fact that the evidence never was reviewed and the judge based a “biased” decision on “a completely extrajudicial factor”  — twittering — prevented Hollister from having the constitutional rule of law applied, the court file explains.

The motion to recuse explained that federal law requires that judges exclude themselves when circumstances arise that would involve “even the appearance of impartiality.”

“It would seem literally to apply to Justice Kagan in any case since she was serving as Solicitor General during the pendency of this and other cases involving the ineligibility question. The U. S. Attorney did make a brief appearance in this case in the appellate document and did appear in many parallel cases,” the motion said.

The president is represented by a private law firm in the current case.

“Historical analysis establishes, therefore, that … respondent Obama, since his father was a Kenyan of British citizenship and not a U. S. citizen, was not ‘eligible to the office of president,…’ Therefore his appointment of the present Justices Sotomayor and Kagan are not valid appointments under the Constitution and they should not, therefore, be sitting as justices deciding upon our petition if this court itself observes the law it has set out under the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Otherwise the concept of a rule of law based upon the Constitution, which we contend is at issue in our petition, is being flouted at the very outset of consideration of the petition,” the motion explained.

Neither is Hollister a novice on the issue of eligibility, it explains.

“It is a matter of record that Colonel Hollister, while on active duty in the Air Force, in a career from which he honorably retired, inquired into the legitimacy of President Clinton’s orders because President Clinton participated, while at Oxford, in communist protest marches in Eastern Europe against the Vietnam War at a time when we were at war with communism in Vietnam, something that would seem to violate the Fourteenth Amendment,” the site explains.

While the district judge dismissed the case because it had been “twittered,” the appeals court adopted his reasoning but wouldn’t allow its opinion affirming the decision to be published, the petition explains.

Hollister’s concern rests with the fact that as a retired Air Force officer in the Individual Ready Reserve, it is possible that he could be subject to Obama’s orders.

“If Congress called up the Air Force Individual Ready Reserve the respondent Obama would have to give the order … If, as it appears, those orders would not be lawful, Col. Hollister would be bound … to question them and look to the respondent [Vice President Joe] Biden as constitutionally next in succession for lawful orders,” the pleading said.

The case doesn’t have the “standing” dispute that has brought failure to so many other challenges to Obama’s eligibility, the pleading explains, because Robertson “found that it had jurisdiction of the case, and therefore that petitioner Hollister had standing.”

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, has told WND a demand for verification of Obama’s eligibility appears to be legitimate.

Eidsmoe said it’s clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that “he does not want the public to know.”

WND has reported on dozens of legal and other challenges to Obama’s eligibility. Some suggest he was not born in Hawaii has he claims; others say his birth location makes no difference because a “natural born citizen” was understood at the time to be a child of two citizen parents, and Obama’s father was subject to the British crown when Barack Obama was born.

Read more: Stunner! Supremes to give eligibility case <I>another</i> look http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=264897#ixzz1EQEk7Xyb

The docket case is listed below

http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/10-678.htm

No. 10-678
Title:
Gregory S. Hollister, Petitioner
v.
Barry Soetoro, et al.
Docketed: November 23, 2010
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
Case Nos.: (09-5080)
Decision Date: March 22, 2010
Rehearing Denied: August 23, 2010
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings  and  Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 22 2010 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due December 23, 2010)
Nov 22 2010 Appendix of Gregory S. Hollister filed. (Volumes I, II, III)
Dec 22 2010 Waiver of right of respondents Barry Soetoro, et al. to respond filed.
Dec 29 2010 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 14, 2011.
Dec 30 2010 Request for recusal received from petitioner.
Jan 18 2011 Petition DENIED.
Feb 7 2011 Petition for Rehearing filed.
Feb 16 2011 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of March 4, 2011.

~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
John David Hemenway 4816 Rodman Street, NW (202) 244-4819
Washington, DC  20016
johndhemenway@comcast.net
Party name: Gregory S. Hollister
Attorneys for Respondents:
Marc Erik Elias Perkins Coie, LLP (202)-434-1609
Counsel of Record 700 Thirteenth Street, NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC  20005-3960
melias@perkinscoie.com
Party name: Barry Soetoro, et al.

Nov 30, 2010 Obama’s Eligibility Issue – SOON TO BE REVEALED!

the approach suggested by WND shown in this video is just one of the many that can be used to unmask the man that is our president.

There are many more that can be done.

Nando

Deborah (VIDEO) Obama’s Eligibility Issue – SOON TO BE REVEALED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttRDoRKl6c

Obama’s Eligibility Issue – SOON TO BE REVEALED!

Written by twelvebooks

November 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm

Deborah (8 Oct 2010) “BREAKING ! – Evidence Proves Obama Was Not Constitutionally Certified To Run For President! – DOCUMENTED!”

That Obama is not qualified to be president of the USA is not in doubt by more than 40 % of the nation and the rest are in collusion to have him as their president, are in a state of not caring or are naively convinced that he is.

The more this issue is proven and nothing results from it is proof that this man is the Antichrist of the Bible at the end of time. He is sheltered by Satan and all the evil spirits that are in control of the kingdoms of this world. What a sad time is coming to the world. Darkness is covering the earth and the inhabitants will be subjected to his demoniacal rule.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2010/deborah108-1.htm

Deborah (8 Oct 2010)
BREAKING ! – Evidence Proves Obama Was Not Constitutionally Certified To Run For President! – DOCUMENTED!


 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WsG9H8eh0

BREAKING ! – Obama Was Not Constitutionally Certified To Run For President! – DOCUMENTED!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=207197

Hawaii Dems button-lipped on Obama eligibility status – in face of evidence Obama was never vetted! Impeachment Time is now HERE!

Doc missing statement candidate ‘qualified’ under U.S. Constitution

The original report came from a commentator at Canada Free Press who revealed the Democrats failed to certify their candidate’s eligibility in 49 of the 50 states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAKZUpfN5G4

EXCLUSIVE! “What We KNOW About BHO”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGAZCe_C6VQ

10 UNDENIABLE OBAMA “BIRTHER” FACTS – They cannot be disputed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_422753&v=Q3djvS0kdZQ&feature=iv

BREAKING! Obama An Illegal Alien? Supreme Court Receives New Petition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE4Jx7EwVk0&feature=related

BHO Says “The Facts are the Facts” – Birth Certificate and Muslim Faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk9DPlc4KeY

A Biblical Test For Barack Hussein Obama – To SETTLE The Matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE

Is Barack Obama Really A Saudi / Muslim “Plant” in the White House?

Written by twelvebooks

October 8, 2010 at 11:22 pm