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May 16, 2015 Excellent points supporting the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church

In the series of reasons for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Pastor Bob has presented an air tight case for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

I concur 100% with his teaching as it follows the true interpretation of the Bible concerning the relationship of the church to Jesus and His coming to take us home.

I was also watching Zola Levitt about the time he started his ministry and learned the significance of the Jewish Feasts since then.

Thanks Pastor Bob for all your series of articles and the time you have dedicated to them.

Pastor Bob I also believe like you that the 7 years are all of tribulation and wrath and that the idea that there is going to be 3 and a half years of peace is false and leads to grievous error of interpretation.

What greater judgment upon the world and the USA than letting the Antichrist, Barack Hussein Obama be their president and use the nation to become the Antichrist and dominate the world. Israel will confirm the covenant in the future, but America created the conditions for the Antichrist!

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/pastorbob510-3.htm

Pastor Bob (10 May 2015)
“Pre-Tribultaion Truth – 12”


All Doves:This will now be the fifth block of data points, exegesis, analysis of the accumulating evidence for supporting a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.  I set each block at 50 points for structure and reading ease.  Now to the growing evidence for our verdict supporting a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

201.  So there is definitely no peace on Earth during the first 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation like “Pre-Wrathers imply!  The Judgments fall from God’s throne (showing that it’s from God and the Lamb (Christ Jesus) from the very beginning of the opening of the Scroll.  The opening of the Scroll starts a series of catastrophes which are sent onto the Earth.  This is not the “wrath of man” or “the wrath of Satan” (even though God uses them as agent of His judgments).  The origin of the wrath is from the very presence of God, and is judgment from Him (His wrath).  The source of the “seven” year Tribulation is all of God’s doing or by permission.  Note:  the 24 elders are in heaven, worshiping the Lamb beforeHe even receives the Scroll with the “Seven” Seals.  The Bride/Church is in heaven before the Four Horsemen are set loose upon the Earth.  That fact alone confirms the Rapture will be a Pre-Tribulation event.  I could have stopped right here and need go no further.

202.  The Scroll is defined, it’s the “Title Deed” (a legal document) to the Earth itself (which rightly belongs to the Lord God Himself).  Yet the Scroll is also a parchment of Judgments, by which Christ Jesus will take possession of what’s rightly His.  In order for Jesus to gain back that which belongs to Him, the enemies of God must be destroyed.  -(Psalms 2:1-12; Revelation 5:1-14).

203.  The Scroll is written on both sides, containing lamentations, mournings and woes.  It’s “the Curse” which goes out over the whole Earth.  The dimensions of the Scroll are the same as “The Holy of Holies” which shows that the Judgments are sent from the Throne of God -(Ezekiel 2:9-10; Ezekiel 3:1-9; Zechariah 5:1-4; Revelation 6:1-17; Revelation 10:8-11.  In chapter 10, the Scroll is open, showing that Jesus had already ripped the seals off in chapter 6.  Revelation 10 is a picture of Christ Jesus laying claim to the Earth, by the legal means of the Open Scroll, yet more judgment must occur to complete the transaction.

204.  The First Seal reveals the Antichrist, who is indeed a Judgment (wrath) from God upon Israel, for their sin of rejecting Christ Jesus at His First Coming.  Jesus Christ came unto His own (Israel) and they received Him not. Remember the prophecy, that if one comes in his own name (the Antichrist), they will receive him, another coming in his name.  -(John 1:11; John 5:43).

205.  Isaiah 28:15-18 calls the “Peace” Covenant between Israel and the Antichrist, revealed by the First Seal, “a covenant with death” and “an agreement with hell”.  If that’s not Wrath and Judgment, then just what is it?

206.  The Seal Judgments are clearly the Wrath of the Lamb (Jesus), Who Himself performs the Judgments of God in the “Tribulation”.  -(Revelation 6:16; 2nd Timothy 4:1; and 2nd Timothy 4:8).

207.  At the opening of the 6th Seal, kings and great men and people on the Earth finally realize that God’s Wrath is upon them.  It took major events in the heavens, and an earthquake, to awaken these blinded people so they can recognize what’s been going on.  The people say they must hide from the Wrath of the Lamb.  In this, we can see the Judgment is from Christ Jesus, as He removes the Seals, so it is His Wrath that is poured out on Earth.  The people add, “For the great day of His wrath is come (is present).”  Therefore, the Seals contain the Wrath of God.  -(Revelation 6:16-17).

208.  The 7th Seal, on the Scroll brings ominous silence in Heaven.  Also proceeding from the 7th Seal are the Trumpet Judgments.  The harsher judgments of God are unleashed when the 7th Seal is opened.  The Trumpets come forth from the 7th Seal, bringing increased Wrath in Revelation 8:1-2.

209.  Likewise, “the Bowl Judgments” proceed from the blowing of the 7th Trumpet.  Make a note here, with so much parenthetical information from chapters 11 to 16, it’s extremely difficult to see that progression, but it’s there if one pays particularly close attention to detail.

210.  All of God’s Wrath is contained in the Scroll, and will be set loose in it’s proper order, issuing from the opening of the 7th Seal, which brings the Trumpets, which brings forth the Bowls.  For a clearer picture for this concept, think of a “telescoped” eyeglass with segments that slide out for greater vision, and as each portion of the Judgments proceed from the opening of the 7th Seal, a harsher element of God’s Wrath emerges into view.

211.  The Bowl Judgments “fill-up” and complete the Wrath of God.  The Bowls are not the beginning of God’s Wrath, but the completion of it.  -(Revelation 15:1).

212.  Many people do not fully understand just how bad the “Tribulation” will truly be.  It will be worse than the flood of Noah’s day; no other time like it since the creation of the world! -(Matthew 24:21-22).   I have a thought that I have not heard anyone comment on and that is, when the Pre-Tribulation Rapture occurs, the National economy will collapse as we know it.  Consider this hypothetical thought.  If 150,000,000 adults in America disappear through the Rapture, particularly the economic collapse that will result.  The average income based on government data is about $45,000 a year per person.  The immediate net income loss to the US National economy will be at least $7-Trillion dollars of lost economic activity.  This is a ballpark or an approximate figure, however, the implications are even more profound to say the least.  Mortgages, car payments, truck payments, all abruptly cease!  Groceries will not be bought!  Utilities such as gas, electric, water, sewage, telephone, cable, will go unpaid.  Most businesses operate on small profit margins, Wal-Mart is 3%, they depend on volume to sustain their large profits.  Government payouts for Social Security, Food Stamps, WIC programs, Public Assistance, Disability, Medicare, Medicaid, will all come to a crashing halt, like water over Niagara Falls, NY.  We have all heard the story of airplanes falling out of the sky at the Rapture of Christian pilots, but have you thought about the things as basic as garbage and trash removal?  America is built on a “just-in-time delivery” pipe line.  By that I refer to the supply chain that operates to keep commerce flowing, parts going in one door of a plant to be moved to the assembly line on arrival, installed to the finish product, to the loading dock for shipping out to the retailer.

I remember the economic impact a winter storm had back in 1994 that shut down the Interstates in Kentucky for a week.  Ford has three plants in the Louisville, KY area and they were forced to shut down for over a week.  They [Ford] even threatened the state and city with talk of relocating if the States of Kentucky and Indiana if transportation is permitted to be shut down ever again.  Everything we think of as “business as usual” would cease in a heart beat and bring on the collapse.

Interestingly, there has been talk in financial circles that there will be a global financial “reset” this fall, mid-September to October of 2015.  That may go off with the Rapture at Rosh HaShanah.  Beginning May 1st, JP Morgan-Chase bank began charging its large depositors 1% interest to shelter depositor’s money.  This is a 180-degree turn around from the day you used the bank to save for the future and earn a little interest on your savings!   Other banks will jump on the train as the system implodes!  I could go on but you get the picture by now.

213.  At the end of the “Tribulation” when Jesus arrives at the Armageddon site in the Jezreel Valley, there’s no mention of a Resurrection.  The Rapture (which includes a Resurrection) cannot happen at that time, as Post-Trib. folks insist.  It’s simply not possible!  -(Isaiah 63:1-6; Zechariah 14:1-15; and Revelation 19:11-21).

214.  If there were a Rapture at the end of the “Tribulation”, all the believers who survived would be changed into immortal, glorified bodies.  All the enemies will be destroyed.  There would be no one left in natural-flesh bodies to populate the Millennium!  The Rapture cannot happen at the end of the “Tribulation”.

215.  Some say the “gathering of the elect” in Matthew 24:31 is the “Rapture” at the END of the “Tribulation”.  But, in the Rapture, Jesus calls His own UP to Himself, Angels gather the “elect” at THE END of the “Tribulation”.  The Matthew 24 argument has tripped up most of the denominational Church for centuries, thanks be to the Roman Catholic Institution’s interpretations.

216.  The “elect” of Israel and survivors of the “Tribulation” will be gathered from wherever the Antichrist has scattered them, to the four winds, or directions of the Earth.  Israel will be found gathered in Bozrah, in modern day Jordan.  -(Isaiah 63:1).

217.  The Angels also gather “the elect” from one end of Heaven to the other.  The gathering of Old Testament saints and martyred “Tribulation” saints for the Resurrection of their bodies as seen in Revelation 20:4, so they will be able to participate in the Feast of Tabernacles, which will take place 5 days after Jesus returns, according to the timing of the Feasts of Leviticus 23 that will be fulfilled when Jesus returns.

218.  There’s also the Judgments of the Sheep and Goat nations after Christ Jesus returns to the Earth, and it must take place before the Millennium is officially started.  People are “gathered” from around the globe.

219.  The “Tribulation” period is described in extensive prophecies throughout the Scriptures.  Here is a lengthy list (here a little, there a little) of the words that define it:  “Wastedness, desolation, darkness, gloominess, clouds, thick darkness, blood, vengeance, destruction, fierce anger, fire, jealousy, cruel, trouble, great distress, revenge, furious, arrow drunk with blood, sword, terrible, men’s hearts failing them for fear, the powers of heaven shall be shaken, wars, great earthquakes, famines, pestilences, fearful signs, great tribulation- such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time, the earth utterly broken down, the earth clean dissolved, the moon shall be confounded, the sun ashamed, to punish leviathan, to slay the dragon that is in the sea, a covenant with death, an overflowing scourge, hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, your agreement with hell, you shall be trodden down by it, the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, the stars of heaven shall not give their light, I will shake the heavens, the earth shall remove out of her place (her orbit and axis?), to punish the world for their evil and the wicked for their iniquity, lamentations, mournings, woe, sound an alarm, let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, they shall run like mighty men, they shall climb the wall like men of war, the people shall be much pained, howl ye, the moon became as blood, stars of heaven fell to the earth, the curse that goes forth over the face of the whole earth, death and hell followed with him, thundering, lightnings, the smoke of the pit, men shall seek death-and shall not find it, the torment of a scorpion, it (the sea) became the blood of a dead man, men were scorched with great heat, they gnawed their tongues for pain, every island fled and the mountains were not found, except those days be shortened-there should be no flesh saved, and then the end shall come.”  These are just some of the phrases that I collected from Scripture back when I was researching the Scriptures for descriptive “cosmological” signs that might have been descriptive confirmation of “Planet-X” which Marshall Masters was observing the skies for over the past decade.  That was back around 2010.  This list is not a complete list by any means.  This is the Wrath from which the Bride/Church is promised to be delivered from!  The list still remains a pretty good description of what Gil Broussard talks about in his study of Planet-7X, which, if it is correct, times with the period from September-October through April-May of 2016.

220.  There is no proof that the 8th Trumpet of Revelation is the so-called “last” trumpet of 1st Corinthians 15:52. That explanation is just the result of people erroneously concluding their preconceived ideas and assumptions, that the Pre-Wrath folks are as they claim.  The Pre-Tribulation Rapture position is the only Rapture view that maintains the proper distinction between the prophetic trumps of the Bride/Church, and the Judgment Trumpets of the Tribulation.  The Pre-Wrath position, in its over-simplification fails to take into consideration that the difference between the First Half and the Second Half of the Seven year Tribulation is more a matter of degrees than in substance.  The twenty-one judgments are just that, judgments!

221.  The Apostle Paul wrote about the “Last” Trumpet decades before John saw the Seven “Judgment Trumpets” of the Revelation.  The Apostle Paul’s “last trump” was written in the mid 50’s and certainly by 60 AD at the latest.  John’s vision came 30+ years later – about 95/96 AD.  The Apostle Paul could not have known about the 7th and “Last Trumpet” of Revelation before it was revealed to John on the Isle of Patmos!

222.  The “Trump of God” brings in blessing, eternal life, glorified bodies.  -(1st Thessalonians 4:16).  The “Seven Trumpets” of the Revelation of Jesus Christ brings destruction upon the enemies and God’s wrath for sure.

223.  The “Trump of God” is distinctly for the Bride/Church.  Since God deals with Israel and a rebellious world in the Tribulation, the 7th Trumpet cannot refer to the Bride/Church without losing the distinctions between Israel and the Church.

224.  The Last Trump for the Bride/Church in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the Trump of God.  The Revelation Trumpets are blown by Angels.  Folks these are not simply different terms describing the same thing or event.  Much of the confusion about the Rapture event comes from tripping over the word “trump” or “trumpets”.  Failure to understand Biblical terms are the result of over simplification through ignorance.

225.  The Last Trump for the Bride/Church is to”call an assembly” to rise and meet Christ Jesus in the air.  The Revelation Trumpets send God’s Judgments onto a rebellious world.

226.  The Last Trump for the Bride/Church is  a call to come worship at God’s throne.  The Revelation Judgments’ Trumpets cause people to harden their hearts and they do not repent.  -(Revelation 9:20-21).

227.  The Last Trump for the Bride/Church is for believers.  The 7th Trumpet Judgment in Revelation is for unbelievers.

228.  The Last Trump for the Bride/Church is an act of God’s Grace.  The 7th Trumpet Judgment in Revelation is an act of God’s Wrath.

229.  In the Trump of God passage, for the Bride/Church, we are exhorted to “Comfort one another with these words”.  At the 7th Trumpet in Revelation, “the nations will be angry.”

230.  When the “Last Trump” blows for the Bride/Church at the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Jesus was not to be found in heaven (like He is at the sounding of the 7th Revelation Trumpet).  Instead, Jesus descends into the air to call the Bride/Church unto Himself.   In the Revelation passage of the 7th Trumpet, there is no mention of Jesus descending, shouting, or being in the clouds.

231.  The “Last Trump” for the Bride/Church in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture and the 7th Trumpet of the Resurrection cannot be the same event.  Folks need to do a word study on trumpets!

232.  In Numbers 10:1-10, the use of trumpets are defined.  Two silver trumpets were constructed for the purpose of “calling the assembly together to worship” and for “the journeying of the camps”.  When the camp was called to move, One trumpet would blow and the east part of the camp went forward.  A Second trumpet would sound and the south part of the camp would move.  Numbers 10:1-10 doesn’t mention the north and west sides, or the tribe of Levi and the Tabernacle (as viewed from Numbers 2:1-34), but a third, fourth, and fifth trumpet must have sounded for the moving of the camps.  At the Last Trumpet, the whole camp would be moving.  We have a similar pattern of illustrating this point In the military.  When there is a change of the commanding general of a division-size unit, there is usually a division parade of its troops.  All the units that make up the division, under the commanding general “troop” their unit colors and march past the change of command ceremonies on a parade field.  Individual units from company-sized or smaller up to battalion, regiment, and brigade-size parade march past the old and new commanding general’s, usually of 2-star rank.  This is a picture of how the 12 tribes responded to the trumpet in some ways resembles the change of command that takes place at the Christ’s Second Coming.

233.  The Apostle Paul, being a well-taught Jew, had to know the meaning of the Last Trumpet (by the Jewish definition).  At the Last Trump for the Bride/Church, which is a signal that our work is done, the whole assembly of the Bride/Church will move the “camp” to Heaven.

234.  Some people think the ascension of the “two witnesses” in Revelation 11:12 is the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church.  The “two-witnesses” are raised from the dead before the blowing of the 7th Trumpet in Revelation!  But at the very instant the Trump is blown for the Bride/Church, the resurrection/rapture will happen.  There is only ONE Rapture of the Bride/Church, not two, not three, just One!

235.  Some people think the ascension of the “Two Witnesses” in Revelation 11:12 is the Rapture of the Bride/Church.  The Bride/Church will be Raptured in the twinkling of an eye.  The twinkling of the eye is instantaneous, a split fraction of a second!  For the Bride/Church , it’s “Now you see them – now you don’t!”  But the “two witnesses” will have time to stand on their feet and the whole world will watch them on satellite TV.  The resurrection of the “two witnesses” cannot be the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church.  Call it what you want but it is not the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church.

236.  In Exodus 19:16-20, there’s a “Trump of God” as God descended upon Mt. Sinai; no angels or people blew this trumpet, but God Himself.  At the second occurrence of the Trump of God, at the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church, no angels or people will blow it.

237At Mt. Sinai and in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, both the Trump of God and an Audible Voice and are heard.  Exodus 19:19 states that Moses heard the voice of God.  In 1st Thessalonians 4:16, the Raptured hear the shout of Christ Jesus.

238.  At Mt. Sinai, Israel was redeemed from slavery to Egypt.  At the Rapture, the Bride/Church was redeemed from our sinful flesh (which can indeed hold a Christian in slavery, if we don’t reckon ourselves dead to sin through Jesus).

239.  At Mt. Sinai, God dwelt with Israel.  At the Rapture, the Bride/Church dwells with Christ Jesus.

240.  The “Trump of God” sounded on Mt. Sinai for Israel on the Feast of Pentecost.  The “Second and Last Trump of God”, relates to a Bride/Church that began at Pentecost.

241.  The “Trump of God” is a different Trumpet than the ones used in the judgments of the Tribulation.  The 7th Trumpet cannot be the Last Trumpet of the Bride/Church’s Rapture!

242.  The “Seven Feasts of the Lord”, given to Israel in Leviticus 23:1-44 is God’s Timetable, like a “Program Guide” that you would get at a major league baseball game.  They show “Prophetic Fulfillment’s” of Christ’s Atonement, the crucifixion of Jesus, to the Resurrection of Jesus, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church, the marriage of the Lamb, and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

243.  Four of the Feasts are fulfilled on the exact day, and even more precisely to the very moment of the precise day, when Israel observed them!  Passover on the 14th day of Nisan, the First Month of Israel’s religious world. Jesus was crucified on the very same day as the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.  Unleavened Bread, the 15th of Nisan; Jesus was buried by Sundown, the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.  Jesus’ burial on that Exact Day represents and fulfills the middle loaf which was hidden and buried in the Feast of Unleavened Bread.  The First fruits, the Sunday after Unleavened Bread (in 32 AD), the exact day occurred three days after Jesus was buried.  On the Third Day, Jesus rose from the dead and became the First fruits of them that died, fulfilled exactly.  Pentecost, also called the “Feast of Weeks,” the 50th day after First fruits.  The Holy Spirit descended upon the First believers of the new Bride/Church.  When Pentecost (Hebrew “Shavuot”) was fulfilled on the exact day of its celebration, the first member of the new Bride/Church were Jews, so the feast was fulfilled in Israel, even though the Bride/Church became predominantly Gentile throughout its history from the second century AD onward.

244.  Since the first four feasts were fulfilled on the exact days Israel observed them, so also, we can safely conclude and assume that the last three feasts will be fulfilled on the exact day of their observance, and most likely at the exact hour and moment.  God does not change.  God is a mathematician.  The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh HaShanah), the first day of the 7th month of Tishri (which is also the First Day of the First month of Israel’s Civil Year)!  This is when Israel celebrates their New Year!  On that day, a new Seven Years will begin for Israel, as Antichrist confirms a Covenant with them, which starts the Tribulation.  The Bride/Church will be Raptured before that event occurs.  Yom Kippur, the Feast of Atonement, the 10th day of the 7th month.  This will be the day that Christ Jesus will Atone for the sins of Israel; they will be forgiven and restored; He will descend to touch His feet down on the Mount of Olives on this day at His Second Coming.  The Second Coming will simultaneously fulfill a Jubilee -(Leviticus 25:9-15) in Israel on the Day of Atonement.  The land will be returned to its rightful owners, and the Earth will be returned rightly to the Lord’s Possession.  Captives will be set free and all debts will be forgiven/cancelled.  All these details are a part of what Jesus will do as His feet touches the Earth on that Day of Atonement.  The Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot), the 15th day of the 7th Month; five days later after Jesus has returned to the Earth, the celebration of God living with His people (dwelling with, or tabernacling with them) will be celebrated.  Zechariah 14:16, will be fulfilled on the exact day of its celebration!

246.  These Feasts are for Israel.  The Bride/Church has not been instructed to keep them.  -(Colossians 2:16-17).  It is true that they are called the Feasts of the Lord, but the Bride/Church is an anachronism to the Jews, because of their having failed to recognize their Redeemer/Messiah/Savior.  God set Israel aside, because they failed to recognize the day of their salvation.  The entity we know as the Bride/Church could be understood as God’s “Plan B” in God’s Master Plan.  The overarching theme of Scripture is God’s Grace.  It’s all about what God is doing, for you and me, and even the Apple of His Eye!

247.  Some teach that the Rapture of the Bride/Church will happen on Pentecost to End the Bride/Church Age on the same day the Church was birthed.  The reason that this is incorrect is based upon three reasons.  1.  Although the Church was born on Pentecost, it fulfilled a Feast Day for Israel, because the First who were born into the Church were Jews.  2.  If we needed to wait for the Lord to Rapture His Bride/Church on Pentecost (from year to year), it destroys imminence.  3.  We will not know the day or the hour when the Bride/Church will be Raptured, so we are exhorted to be watching for Christ Jesus.  The fact that Rosh HaShanah is a two-day feast, we cannot possibly know the exact precise moment, despite there are allusions of what time that might be.  This is why Jesus referred to or used the Hebrew “Idiom” that “no man knows the day nor the hour” – it pointed the Disciples to the only Feast Day that is two days in length because it is declared by the sighting of the New Moon!  The Feast Day was God’s way of hinting in advance how the process could be observed or to get our attention of what was approaching.  God’s Grace was at work in the Old Testament as well when it came to God’s methods of revealing His Master Plan of human redemption.

248.  Some teach that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride/Church will happen on the Feast of Trumpets (because of the Trumpets, in relation to the Rapture).  The idea is based on what I consider to be true but nonetheless as some what misleading:  1.  The Trumpets blow to announce a New Year in Israel, not to Rapture the Bride/Church per se.   This also forces the idea that the Bride/Church will be Raptured at the same time that the Antichrist signs the “peace treatment” (their covenant with death) with Israel (which starts the Tribulation).  There is nothing in Bible prophecy to suggest that at the instant the Bride/Church is removed, the Tribulation begins.  It might and it might not.  It’s logical that some time must pass, between the Rapture and when the Antichrist gains enough power to make that covenant.  2.  If we need to wait for the Lord to Rapture His Bride/Church on some future Feast of Trumphets, it destroys imminence.  3.  We will not know the day or the hour when the Bride/Church will be Pre-Tribulation Raptured, so we are exhorted to be watching, waiting, and working for Christ Jesus.  Because Rosh HaShanan is a two-day Feast, dependent upon the observance of the New Moon becoming visible from Jerusalem, imminence is always present.  It is this element why the Feast is known or referred to as the “Unknown Day”.  As I have noted before many believe Rosh HaShanah is the time of the Pre-Tribulation, but not always for all the correct reasons.  Rosh HaShanah overlaps three calendar days when you understand it from the time reckoning of the Jews.  This year, Rosh HaShanah begins at Sundown on our September 15th and ends at Sundown on September 17th of 2015.  This fact that Rosh HaShanah spans 72-hours on our western calendar certainly enables the teaching of Imminence to be sustained.  I’m not trying to split hairs here but I believe it satisfies both the requirement definition of imminence and the “unknown day” of the Feast Day of Rosh HaShanah as well; and being cognizant of the 13 symbolic meanings that accompany this Feast Day.  Most Christian theologians were unaware of just how significant the Feast Days of Leviticus 23 are until the early 1990’s.  In my own education on the ‘Hebrew Roots’ movement, I first learned how Christ Jesus had fulfilled the ‘Feasts’ literally, physically, spiritually, and prophetically from Zola Levitt and Eddie Chumney, both Messianic Jews around 1990.  In the past few years, a controversy occurred in which led to Eddie Chumney being taken off the ‘GLC Network’.  Zola Levitt, from Pittsburgh, PA, was a regular Messianic believer on Pittsburgh’s Christian station Cornerstone CTV40.  I knew Zola personally from his days at Duquesne University from where he graduated.  We met through attending courses on Jewish/Christian cultural studies when I was a seminary student at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.   Zola died of cancer in 2006.  I faithfully viewed ‘Zola Levitt Presents’ every Sunday afternoon at 4:00 pm on CTV40.  I can state unequivocally that Zola Levitt was a solid believer in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine, and that the Tribulation was not for Christians, but for his people, the Jews.  I’m aware of an existing controversy between the ‘Hebrew Roots’ movement and many within the Christian community but I’m not informed enough to know or comment much more about issues over Eddie Chumney.  I have all of his excellent books, even going so far as to buy extra copies.

249.  Where is the sound Biblical doctrine showing that the Rapture occurs or could occur at sometime within the Tribulation?  There is none!  The Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib positions are indefensible when one studies the whole counsel of God, the whole Bible, and not just ‘cherry-picking’ a few verses to support your view.

250.  There is indeed sound Biblical evidence for the doctrine showing that the Rapture of the Bride/Church is Pre-Tribulational in many ways.  I believe that from the evidence laid out in these segments of ‘Pre-Tribulation Truth’ there is no legitimate conclusion in justifying the holding to any other position on this topic.  Those sites that choose to deny the evidence, have not changed their Pre-Wrath Rapture Babble dog and pony show that cannot see and recognize the Biblical Truth for what it is, the Truth!  Like the “Energizer” bunny, they have only one choice but to continue their beating out the same old drum beat.  As it is said the definition of insanity is to do the same old thing and expect different results.

Obviously, there could be other points that I have not noted or overlooked.  This is a compilation over thousands of hours of study over the course of a half-century.   I will concede a point here that it is conceivable for my having overlooked some particular point, but I am confident that I have compiled an exhaustive list of the cogent elements, throughout my research on the “Theme of the Bride Motif”; analysis of the “Hebrew wedding’s 18 specific details” associated with the “Theme of the Bride Motif” as well.  I shared those specifics last year in a number of posts.

It is not always possible to compile a total comprehensive overview of all the cogent points to support my premise, and while effort to avoid duplications was a concern, invariably a point or two might have been repeated as the result of analysis from a different perspective relative to the text.  As I was typing this fifth segment several new, quite a few points have come to mind.  I jotted them down for analysis and later sharing.

Next time in this series of posts I will return to more examples of men who taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture long long ago, and certainly, well before Margaret MacDonald or John Nelson Darby.  “Let God be true but every man a liar”, particularly those men and women who lie about Margaret MacDonald and John Nelson Darby for originating the idea of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture!   This goes double for those that slander and defame C.I.Scofield.  Remember, it was the Apostle Paul who was the first to teach the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

Keep looking up, were approaching the countdown on the calendar to the four month point to Rosh HaShanah.  Each day I can sense its closeness!  Maranatha and blessings to all.

Pastor Bob

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Here are the links to the rest of the parts

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2015/pastorbob329-2.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob45-1.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob45-2.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob45-3.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob412-1.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob412-2.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob412-3.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob426-1.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2015/pastorbob426-3.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/pastorbob53-1.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/pastorbob53-5.htm

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/pastorbob510-3.htm

 

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May 9, 2015 The Masonic Takeover of America and the world

In reading this excellent article by Mr. Luis Vega I would suggest that you open Google earth and Google maps. There is another place in Washington that has a masonic temple the Supreme Council 33 degrees Scottish Rite Freemasonry S J located on 1733 16 ST NW Washington DC 20009 with coordinates W77 02′ 11.04″  N 38 54″ 44.64″. This bldg has a central location and important visual objects. See them in both Googles.

Six blocks down you find Scott Circle Park which is considered as the center of Washington flanked at the right and left with Logan Circle and Dupont Circle creating an image similar to the images in Vega’s graphics.

In Vegas Graphic the spider with the 8 legs on each side can also represent a 9 candle Menorah with the center candle that is the servant light that represents Jesus Christ being substituted by the masonic memorial pyramid creating an absolutely satanic counterfeit of the original menorah . The graph with the Virgin and the child has the menorah in front.

The timing of the planned take over and the comet are also in the prophetic timeline interpretations currently circulating in the prophetic internet sites like this one.

Well done Luis Vega.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/luisv53.htm

Luis Vega (3 May 2015)
“WASHINGTON MASONIC NATION  – Lucifer’s Plan for America”

WASHINGTON MASONIC NATION 

BLUEPRINTS OF LUCIFER’S PLAN FOR AMERICA

The Washington Masonic Memorial
by Luis B. Vega

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June 18, 2014 Giants, Gigantes, Fallen Angels,Angeles Caidos, Nephilin

The wonders of modern technology search engines is that they try to anticipate what you are looking for or want. In this case I just entered You Tube and the video below was listed.

This video covers the subject in the title and much more, surprisingly it gives the Bible explanation to all this phenomena and incur in speculating into the origins of humans as mixing with aliens from other planets.

UFO’s, abductions, ancient civilization megalitic structures, Nibiru, the Ananaki and a myriad of other interconnected subjects are seen in this very good video.

They even speculate at the end that the UFO’s that we are seeing are these gods that are coming back again.

They are correct in this statement, but what is coming to the earth is the biggest onslaught of demonic entities that the world has ever seen or will ever see.

Nando

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The skull  and bones photo that appears in the video intro if it is true and not a photo shop can be assumed to be about six times the size of the skull of the human at the right side touching it. No info of where the photo was taken or the people in the photo. Let us look a little more closely at the shadows that we see.

The shadow of the jaw falls to the right below as well as the ones in the eyes bones etc. The shadow of the man crouching falls also equally and appears to have the same source in intensity and direction. Shadows tie an object to the place it stands and the shadows of this photo seem consistent and not manipulated. The video does not cover the photo announcing it.

Nando

The following video is an interview with Steve Quayle. The subject of Giants all over the world is covered fully with slides showing some amazing facts.

JAN 16, 2014 A Prophetic look at Pentecost 2014 by Luis Vega

Luis Vega has shown a correlation of dates and phi ratios from the major blood moon tetrads that have occurred in the 1949 and 1967 and will occur in 2014-15.

This year is the 66 year anniversary from the birth of Israel in May 14, 1948. The 66th book of the Bible is the book of Revelation. Could Israel be pointing to the start of the Tribulations with the anniversary?

The prophecy of the seventy weeks of years of  Daniel 9:24 counted the time to Messiah’s cut off as 69 weeks of years = 483 years. The day it was fulfilled was Passover 32 AD when Christ was crucified. Will the last week start at a Passover to keep the same pattern?

Will the church be Raptured on Pentecost to fulfill a whole number of years? If the answer to these questions is in the affirmative the church will be present for the start of the Apocalypse and in the 49 days we will see the two witnesses that will confirm that Christ is coming and it will be what awakens the whole church from its long hundreds of years slumber as shown on the parable of the 10 virgins found in the book of Mathew.

Thanks Luis Vega for your very good articles and charts.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2014/luisv116-1.htm

Luis Vega (16 Jan 2014)
PROPHETIC PENTECOSTS – Echoes of the Liberation of the Temple Mount


PROPHETIC PENTECOSTS
Echoes of the Liberation of the Temple Mount
by Luis B. Vega
vegapost@hotmail.com
Online PDF chart at:
www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/Prophetic.pdf
‘As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.’ -1 Peter 2:4
The start of the Tetrad on April 15, 2014 has some possible present day prophetic overtones to the Tetrad of April 24, 1967. The 7 week count of 49 days from First Fruits on April 18 lands on June 7, 2014 as denoted on a timeline from the Spring Feasts of the LORD/Jewish. This date of June 7 is exactly 47 years exactly from when the IDF recaptured the Temple Mount on June 7, 1967. By some estimates, Pentecost occurred on June 5, 1957*. This is precisely when the assault to the Temple Mount & the battle for the Old City commenced.

This numerical count thus also has echoes of the year 19-47. The year ’47 was when the UN Partition Plan made Israel a de-facto state. What is remarkable is that on both prior Biblical fulfillments, the prophetic climax occurred on Pentecost based on certain Jewish calendars. Israel’s declaration of independence was on the eve of the Sabbath and Pentecost. The timeline will show that the Feasts are in perfect phi ratio from Passover to Pentecost and likewise the Tetrad Blood Moons are in perfect harmony of time and space to Pentecost of June 8, 2014.


Another reason why makes Pentecost of 2014 is unique is that it follows 3 consecutive Pentecosts to have occurred in-between eclipses within a lunar cycle period that has not occurred nor will for hundreds of years according to NASA’s eclipse table calculations.


Astonishing, there are 120 days from the May 19, 2013 to June 8, 2014 Pentecost dates. This is the number of the Disciples of Christ in the Upper Room that gathers to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit. It was also the start of the Church Age. The Body of Christ, the Church was birthed as a result of the death of Messiah during Passover, His burial at Unleavened Bread & His resurrection at First Fruits 3 days later as the promised Sign of Jonah was fulfilled. Could thus this Pentecost not only be tied to the 3rd Temple but to the Christians around the world, if not at that time, thereafter? As the Church’s Commission & ‘Spiritual Temple’ is completed, will this mark the time for the Earthly Temple to commence?


PENTECOST: Israel
Israel became a nation on Sivan 5 on the 360 calendar, which was May 14 evening to May 15 evening in 1948. Israel became a nation at midnight May 14th ending, in 1948, upon the termination of the British mandate.
  The following is time from Pentecost 1948 to Pentecost 2014.

May 14, 1948 to June 8, 2014 = 66 years, 25 days or 3447 weeks

PENTECOST: Jerusalem
June 5th, 1967 was when the IDF began to ascend to the Temple Mount on the 50th year count of 1967. Israel regained the Old City since AD 70.

The year 1966 by some calculations was the Year of Jubilee. The following is the time from when Israel recaptured the Temple Mount on Pentecost 1967 to the Pentecost of 2014.


June 7, 1967 to June 8, 2014 = 47 years, excluding end dates

PENTECOST: Temple ?
Will this Pentecost Pattern hold and see a Biblical fulfillment of some sort on or around June 8? Something related to the Temple & the Church of Jesus Christ. It may very well occur as start of the Tetrad echoes the day counts are very similar to the June 7, 1967 recapture of the Temple Mount. The following is the time from last of 3 Pentecosts in-between eclipse of 2013 to Pentecost of 2014 that has echoes of the number in the Upper Room on the 1
st Pentecost.
May 19, 2013 to June 8, 2014 = 120 days

1967-68 Tetrad Series

1. Apr 24, 1967       Passover
2. Jun 05, 1967*
      Pentecost
2. Oct 18, 1967
       Sukkot
3. Apr 13, 1968
       Passover
4. October 06, 1968          Sukkot
Spring Feasts of the LORD
New Moon:             1st Day
Shabbat HaGadol:   10th Day







1. Pasach:              14th Day
2.
HaMatzah:          15th Day
3.
HaBikkurim:         16th Day
4.
Shavuot              49th Day + 1

The following pattern coincides to the 3rd and last time Pentecost occurs in-between 2 Eclipses within a lunar month cycle. (2011-2012-2013)April 18, 2014 to June 7, 2014

1st Blood Moon of Tetrad
PASSOVER
Apr 15, 2014

PENTECOST (in the ‘midst’ of the 2 Tetrad Blood Moons)
Jun 08, 2014

2nd Blood Moon of Tetrad
Oct 08, 2014

SUKKOT

Numerical Date Counts
From the 2nd Blood Moon of 1949 to the Israeli membership to the UN
October 7, 1949 to November 5, 1949 = 29 days or 696 hours or 4 weeks


>From the 1st Blood Moon of 1967 to the capture of Jerusalem

April 24, 1967 to June 7, 1967 = 177 days or 25 weeks


>From the 1
st Blood Moon of 2014 to Pentecost
April 15, 2015 to June 8, 2014 = 55 days or 7 weeks (excluding end date)


>From the 1
st Blood Moon of 1967 to the 1st Blood Moon of 2014
April 24, 1967 to April 15, 2014 = 46 years 11 months 22 days


>From the 1
st Blood Moon of 1967 to the Partial Solar Eclipse of April 2014
April 24, 1967 to April 24, 2014 = 47 years exactly
Could this count from the Blood Moon Passover to Passover, a 49 day count plus 1 day be a prophetic count or code that the Pentecost that will be a major and significant event that will lead to the building of the 3rd Temple within the 2014-15 series? Will an event dealing with the issue of the Jewish Temple occur during this time?

Perhaps these prophetic times involving the start of the Tetrad and the Temple are tied to the completion of the Church Age that has been characterized by Christ completing His ‘Spiritual Temple’ to then allow for the start of the building of the Earthly Temple for the Nation of Israel. Could this in turn start the final countdown to the Tribulation and subsequent Return of Messiah? Well shall see and shortly find out.

*”It can be shown that even the Jewish calendar of Iyar 6 could have been Sivan 6th {i.e.,
Pentecost} that year since the month began very late that year. Sivan 5th is Pentecost on the 360 calendar while Sivan 6th is Pentecost on the regular Jewish calendar. This is because the month of Iyar only has 29 days in it on the regular Jewish calendar, whereas the 360 calendar always have 30 days.”

Some Sources
-1260-1290-days-bible-prophecy.org
-Hebcal.com
-NASA.gov

-TempleInstitute.org

-Wikipedia.com

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2014/luisv116-2.htm

Luis Vega (16 Jan 2014)
Coming God of War – Retrograde of Mars associated with Israel, Jerusalem & 3rd Temple? 


The COMING god of war
Retrograde patterns of Mars 1947-2014

Prophetic Mars Alignments regarding the Israel, Jerusalem & the 3rd Temple

by Luis B. Vega
vegapost@hotmail.com
Online PDF chart at: www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/Retrograde.pdf

There are several converging factors around the Spring Tetrad of 2014. The much talked about Tetrad occurs right in the middle of the Retrograde of Mars in Virgo. Virgo is often spoken of representing Israel as is Leo also. These are the 2 signs of the Mazzaroth that Israel is alluded to in Scripture. Interestingly, the Mazzaroth or Zodiac starts with Virgo and ends with Leo. Prophetically speaking, it could be the case that as far as Israel is concerned, the order is being reversed in the End Times. The Biblical fulfillment of the convergence of all prophecy started with Israel becoming a nation in the constellation Leo and could possibly be ending with Virgo. In this case of the Retrograde of Mars in Leo, there was war in Israel as a result, the War of Independence.

These 2 signs of Leo and Virgo correspond to the key prophetic times of Israel in modern history. Incredibly, the UN’s Partition Plan and Israel’s independence declaration in 1948 occurred in Leo at the precise time when Mars conjoined with Regulus on both accounts. The recapturing of Jerusalem occurred when the Retrograde of Mars occurred within days of the Tetrad of April 24, 1967 as it conjoined with Spica. In that case also, the Retrograde of Mars was in Virgo and there was war in Israel as a result, the 6-Day War.

What this study and illustration shows is that the Retrograde of Mars is also occurring and will reach mid-point during the 3rd Tetrad staring on April 14, 2014. This last Tetrad sequence of 2014-15 is part of the cluster of 3 that started in 1949. The Retrograde of Mars pattern is as follows. The Retrograde of Mars occurred in Leo during the Declaration of Independence in May of 1948. The same event occurred in Virgo during the capture of Jerusalem in 1967. Now the Retrograde of Mars will be at mid-point as the 3rd Tetrad series in the 66th year will occur also in Virgo.

What could be also prophetic is that this Retrograde of Mars in association to the Tetrad leads up to the 100th Anniversary of the beginning of World War I by about 2 weeks. Is this possibly significant or coincidental? Although the Retrograde of Mars is cyclical, this rare convergence with the Tetrad could be the pattern that could be prophetic as it relates to some in Israel’s orthodox community quest to build the Jewish 3rd Temple. Thus the Retrograde of Mars in Virgo could likewise be signaling that there will be war in Israel as a result. This is only stipulated as a result of the prior the Mars conjunctions of 1948 and 1967.

Many believe that the conditions that led up to World War I are currently present in the geo-politics of the Middle East. Currently the main efforts to arrive at a final peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians are undertaken by the USA. Specifically, Secretary of State, John Kerry is spearheading the debates with much opposition and criticism. Despite a dragging-on of the peace talks, it is speculated that a settlement of some type or to a certain degree will be reached by April 2014. This timing will coincide precisely with the Tetrad and the Retrograde of Mars.

Although the US has been much involved in foreign entanglements in the Middle East, as with Iraq and Afghanistan, its populace back at home, in general is much asleep as it was prior to World War I.  What this study strongly suggests is that if the Mars Retrograde and the Tetrad patterns have some validity to them, then there will be war in Israel as it was for their war for their independence, war for Jerusalem and perhaps now a coming ‘god of war’ for their Temple.

The peace process between Israel and the Palestinian Authority that would divide Israel and establish the State of Palestine would in effect take Israel’s borders to the pre 6-Day War. This means that the Old City of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount would have to be given up as it would constitute the new capital of Palestine. Yet these issues of contention still remain to be worked out but a resolution, be it an intermediate or final treaty is said to be achieved by April of 2014, around the time of the start of the Tetrad’s 1st Blood Moon and the coinciding with mid-point of the Retrograde of Mars.

In all actuality, as the politicians are claiming ‘Peace and Safety’ for Israel and Palestine’s recognition of Israel, the Bible speaks of there being a ‘sudden destruction’ instead. Could all this talks of peace and safety for Israel instead be the spring in the trap that will instead unleash an orchestrated Arab assault on Israel as in the Psalm 83 depicts?
The dates surrounding the statehood of Israel in 1948, the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967 and the start of the Tetrad in 2014 all have a Retrograde of Mars associated to these Biblical prophetic fulfillments. The first 2 prophetic events occurred on Pentecost, as some have calculated time. Will the 3rd event that may occur during the Tetrad up to the eve of Pentecost June 7, 2014 also be prophetic?

A Retrograde
In astronomy, a retrograde is the appearance of a celestial object, in this case, planets moving backwards against the sky. This is an effect based on the relative difference is speed of the planets as they revolve around the Sun.  As the orbits are circular around the Sun, inevitably, some planets will pass others and in the process ‘appear’ as though the planets are moving ‘backwards’ for a time before moving forward once again. For example, Mercury will have a very prominent Retrograde in-between the time of the Tetrad of 2015.

The following illustration depicts the exact position of Mars when the 1st Blood Moon of the Tetrad Apr 15, 2014 occurs.

2013
Nov 22: Mars enters Virgo

2014
Feb 01: In line with Spica
Mar 01: Start of Retrograde (approximate)
Mar 27: In line with Spica (’impregnates Virgo’ )
Apr 15: Exactly mid-way of Retrograde (Tetrad starts)
May 20: End of Retrograde (approximate)
Jun 13: Conjunction with Spica

>From start of Mars Retrograde to end
Mat 1, 2014 to May 20, 2014
=  81 days or 2 months 20 days or 11 weeks

This is the same amount of time that the Retrograde occurred in Virgo on 1967 by 1 day.


>From Spica alignments Mar 27, 2014 to end of Jul 13, 2014

= 108 day or 3 months 16 days or 15 weeks
(14 days from WWI 100 Year Anniversary

>From start of Tetrad April 15, 2014 to end of Mars RETROGRADE May 20, 2014
= 88 day or 2 months 28 days (excluding end date)

Retrograde of Mars 1966-1967
Prophetic Alignments of Israel’s Capture of Jerusalem

1966
Nov 17: Mars enters Virgo

1967
Jan 20: Conjunction at Spica
Mar 10: Start of Retrograde (approximate)
Apr 20: ’impregnates Virgo’
May 20: Conjunction with Moon
May 28: End of Retrograde (approximate)
Jun 07: Temple Mount Captured

Mar 20, 1967 (Spring Equinox) to May 28, 1967  end of Retrograde
= 70 days or 2 months, 9 days  or 10 weeks
(echoes of AD 70 when the Temple Mount was destroyed)

>From start of Mars Retrograde to end
Mar 10, 1967 to May 28, 1967
=  80 days or 2 months 19 days or 11 weeks

Triple Conjunction of Mars with Spica in Virgo
1. Jan 20, 1967
2. Apr 20, 1967
3. July 04, 1967

Procession forward
June 5, 1967
(Pentecost)

Retrograde of Mars 1947-1948
Prophetic Alignments of Israel’s Statehood

1947
Oct:25: Leaves Cancer
Nov 28: In line with Regulus
(Eve of UN Partition Plan)

1948
Jan 01: Start of Retrograde (approximate)
Feb 18: In line with Regulus
Apr 01: End of Retrograde (approximate)
May 14: Conjunction with Regulus (Declaration of Independence)

>From UN Partition Plan to Declaration of Independence
Nov 28, 1947 to May 14, 1948
= 168 days 5 months, 16 days  or 24 weeks

Triple Conjunction of Mars with Regulus
1. Nov 28, 1947
2. Feb 18, 1948
3. May 14, 1948

The God of War
T
here was a war that determined a favorable outcome for the Nation of Israel during Israel’s Independence in 1948-1949 and in the recapture of Jerusalem, in 1967. This study strongly suggests that the Retrograde of Mars was a ‘Sign’ in the Heavenlies that coincided precisely with the prophetic dates in Israel’s modern history.

1. The War of Independence
2. The 6-Day War

Since Israel’s independence, there have been numerous wars with its Muslim neighbors and on-going skirmishes but if the Retrograde of Mars parallels these 2 prior dates in Israel’s history, then perhaps the beginning of the Tetrad 2014 could see a similar war with Israel that will see the following.

1. A favorable result for Israel
2. Possible expansion of Lands and
3. The inevitable rebuilding of Temple

Interestingly the Spring 2014 Mars Retrograde at the time of the conjunction with Spica will be 15 days from the 100th Year Anniversary of World War I. Could this Retrograde in conjunction to the Tetrad signal thus the coming of 3rd World War? 

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Some Sources
Hebcal.com
NASA.gov
Stellarium.com
TempleInstitute.org
Wikipedia.com

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Dec 5, 2013 More info on Planet X

Thanks to Charles Holler we get this interesting video of the Planet X approach to the sun.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2013/charlesh125-2.htm

Charles Holler (5 Dec 2013)
Planet X erased from video by NASA and four people lose their job



Greetings John and Doves,
They’re calling it Hercubus as they’re pointing everyone to look at ISON and Planet X gets leaked to the public. You don’t want to miss this.
Agape
Charles Holler Sr

http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3330765498&frmid=8549&msgid=924508&cmd=show

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Dru (20 Oct 2013) “Two videos on Planet X …”

The first of the two videos below is already posted in this blog.

They are very good in explaining Planet X.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2013/dru1020.htm

Dru (20 Oct 2013)
Two videos on Planet X …


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NASA’ video about the Mayan’s Dec 21, 2012 and some Interesting facts they got wrong! Dec 13, 2012

This article is to put some perspective about the Mayan Dec 21, 2012 scenario. It is a well known fact that the Mayan circular calendar ends in that date and many have said that it means the end of the world. NASA has made a video refuting this alarming concept and debunking the popular thinking.

I am not an expert on the Mayan calendar or in astronomy but I will try to look at the facts presented in the video, compare it to what the Mayans believe is going to happen and then look at the Christian Bible and what it says about the end of the Age and the return of Jesus Christ on His second coming to establish a one thousand year long Kingdom with Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

First it is important to say that in NASA’s video they stated their believe that the earth is 13.7 billion years old and that the Mayans thought the earth was created 5,125 years ago. This statement of earths age was meant to discredit the Mayans believes, but a few minutes before they stated their gigantic knowledge of time and future events with a calendar more sophisticated that the one used in modern science.

Well  now let us see what the Bible says about the age of the earth. In the book of Genesis chapter five there is a genealogy that starts a count from the creation of Adam to Noah and the flood and it states the age of Noah as 600 years old when the flood waters came on the earth. A little arithmetic yields a total of 1, 656 years to this point.  A little further on on Chapter 11:10 the genealogy picks up with Shem till the birth of Abram (Abraham). At this point the total time that had passed from Adam was 1946 years. From this point on we rely on historical records and using a very detailed Historical book The Wall Chart of World History they date Abraham’s birth as 1,995 BC . Well this World Chart places Adam’s creation in the year 4,004 BC which when added to 2012 gives a total of 6,016 years for the age of the World. This number is much closer to the Mayan’s number than to NASA’s one of billions of years.

Second what they say about the Mayans is not what I have learned from people that have studied it. They said that on this date their god winged serpent was going to return to the earth to rule the world and this is very close to what the book of Revelation describes as in the person of the Antichrist and the rising of Apollyon  a fallen angel.

Something is going to make the biggest earthquake the world has ever seen and the burning of the sun and all the other events enumerated in the book of Revelation and my opinion is that it is very possible that NASA is the one lying here. No the end is not going to end but it will surely look like it is when the Apocalypse starts. It may be in Dec 21, 2012 after all.

Nando

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15886787-why-nasa-is-saying-we-told-you-so-about-doomsday-hype-a-week-early?lite=

 

Why NASA is saying ‘we told you so’ about doomsday hype … a week early

A NASA video explains why “The World Didn’t End Yesterday” … more than a week before the date that’s been hyped as a purported doomsday.

By Alan Boyle

NASA’s latest video debunking doomsday hype comes from the future — to be precise, from Dec. 22, one day after the expected peak for worries that the end of an ancient Maya calendar cycle will signal the end of the world as well. Some might think that the video, titled “The World Didn’t End Yesterday,” was prematurely released. But it wasn’t: The advance word about the non-apocalypse is a key part of the space agency’s plan.

“The teaser for the video explains everything: ‘NASA is so confident that the world is not coming to an end on Dec. 21, that they have already released a video for the day after,'” Tony Phillips, the writer and editor behind the NASA Science website as well as SpaceWeather.com, told NBC News in an email.

Phillips says the “day after” angle was his idea.

“I felt it was a lighter and more creative way to approach the topic than some of the other treatments we’ve seen,” he wrote. “Some people have been confused by it, but not all. The unorthodox approach is definitely a conversation-starter, which was our goal all along.”

Bashing the bunkum
As the 12-21-12 date approaches, NASA has been taking the lead in telling people that the connection between the Maya calendar and doomsday fears is pure bunkum. By some accounts, a grand 5,125-year cycle comes to an end on Dec. 21, but this year, archaeologists found that the Maya calendar counting system goes beyond 2012, just as our own calendar recycles itself after Dec. 31. For what it’s worth, there’s even some question whether Dec. 21 is the right date for the Maya calendar turnover.

INAH

The Maya “Long Count” calendar and its connection to 2012 has long been a topic of controversy.

Along the way, the Maya hype has gotten mixed up with other end-of-the-world memes, ranging from monster solar storms to the onset of a threatening Planet X. There’s a germ of truth behind some of the memes. For example, the sun really is heading toward the peak of its 11-year activity cycle, but solar maximum won’t cause the end of the world. In fact, Phillips has said the upcoming solar max could be “the weakest of the Space Age.” Meanwhile, our planet is indeed heading toward a rough alignment with the sun and the galactic center on Dec. 21 — but that alignment happens every year at this time, due to the winter solstice.

NASA has been spending a lot of time lately separating the scientific fact from the scary fiction. Last month, the space agency put together a Web page that addresses the frequently asked questions about the 2012 hype, with links to even more information about topics ranging from polar shifts to supernovae and super volcanoes. This may sound like overkill, but it’s not: Earlier this year, an international opinion survey conducted by Ipsos for Reuters found that 14 percent of the respondents believe the world will come to an end during their lifetime — and 10 percent said they were worried that the Maya calendar change-over would mark the end of the world.

What to tell your kids
All this doomsday hype can be particularly troubling for kids, who tend to look to the grown-ups for a reality check. Do your children need some reassurance? These tips from Kids.gov, the U.S. government’s Web portal for the younger set, could come in handy:

  • Take their fears seriously. Dismissing a fear with a quick “don’t be silly comment” or brushing it aside by telling them not to worry is not going to help. If your children express a fear, take time to sit down and discuss it. This sends the message that you are really listening and that your kids can always come to you and they will be taken seriously.
  • Educate yourself about the topic of their fears. This allows you to speak confidently about the subject and give you the facts when discussing a rumor.
  • Help your child research the rumor. If your child heard the rumor at school or saw something scary on the Internet, sit down with him at the computer and help him to conduct his own research. Discuss the importance of finding credible sources for information and guide him to legitimate, authoritative resources.
  • Take the fear off their plate. For younger children, sit down to discuss the child’s fear and then tell them, “OK, from now on I will worry about this for you. You don’t have to worry about this anymore. I’ll look into it and I will let you know what I find out.” Make sure to check back with your child once you have researched the topic. Anticipate any questions he may have and plan your responses.

Do you still have concerns about Dec. 21? Are you hearing the Maya hype from your friends? How are you handling all this? Feel free to weigh in with your comments below, and check back next week for our continuing coverage of the doomsday buzz. In the meantime, review our coverage of last year’s Rapture rigmarole to get an advance look at how this is all likely to go down.

Nando