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An Answer to Marilyn Agee The Parable of the Ten Virgins, Good Work!

April 30, 2010

The parable of the ten virgins has always been very important to me. I always saw the church as representing this group. Its meaning was obvious to me from the very first time I read it and this is what I understood then as well as now. In order to explain better I will include the parable here.

Matthew 25 (New International Version)

Matthew 25

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.6“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7“Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9” ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11“Later the others also came. ‘Sir! Sir!’ they said. ‘Open the door for us!’

12“But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I don’t know you.’

13“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The first verse is talking about the kingdom of heaven; this tells me that it is a kingdom in heaven at this moment and not the kingdom in earth at the end of the tribulations.

We see a bridegroom, which I believe is Jesus who has not been married yet, but is coming for His bride the church. The only people going to receive Him are ten virgins holding their lambs. No other people are mentioned in this parable.

The parable has so far implied that the virgins are the expectant bride. In this parable the use of ten is to represent the billions of believers that will become His bride and ten is used to represent the totality of people who follow Him. They are the living believers at the time of His coming.

The people of the world are not looking for the bridegroom so they can not be included in this group and their sins are not redeemed so they can not be considered virgins or in the comparison sexually undefiled for the marriage.

The virgins in their totality are redeemed and washed in the blood of the Lamb because they are shown as virgins so their salvation is guaranteed for ever (see supporting scriptures of the guarantee of the believers and the way sins are washed and forgotten for the believers).

In the second verse we are given more details about these redeemed people who are waiting for Jesus. They are divided in two groups and are called the wise and the foolish.

The first thing that can be observed is that five is half of ten and by implication the division of people in numbers will follow this division according to the Lord. So if there are 800 million virgins at the time of the wedding 400 million will be wise and 400 million will be foolish.

If the parable stopped here we would need to identify what the concept of wise means. The reader is urged to get a concordance and search the words wise and wisdom. They are all related to the knowledge, obedience and believe of the Word and of God.

In the third verse a new concept is introduced and that is the oil. So we have ten virgins, ten lamps and oil for the five lamps of the virgins, but no oil for the lamps of the foolish virgins.

A study of oil in a Concordance is needed to make a little more sense of the meaning of this new element. In the scriptures it refers to the anointing received or given. I am not going to expand more and leave it to the reader to do so. The other implied meaning given to the oil is that it represents the Holy Spirit, but this creates a problem for me because salvation means that the Holy Spirit indwells the believers at the moment of salvation. I can not see how a saved person can not have any oil. This is more food for thought.

Another observation to make at this point is that lambs for oil are only needed for the night and for dark places where there is no light.

In the fourth verse another element is introduced and that is jars for the oil, which the wise virgins had and the others did not. A question to ask is why the jars? The oil could have been on the lamps and there would not be any need to have a jar.  It may be that at the time it was customary to keep the oil in jars till they were ready to use the lamps and there may not be any ulterior motive to it, what do you think?

The next thing is a delay in the wedding by the bridegroom. Can this mean that the bridegroom was expected hundreds of years ago about 1,977 years approximate at this days count. I like this number’s ending. Had the virgins forgotten the wedding and they have gone to sleep? Is this a state of the present church where only a few are watching for the coming of the Lord? Yes I believe this explains this part pretty good.

Verse six tells us the time of the coming it is at midnight. The cry rang out, but what cry and by whom? What is the meaning of midnight? To me it is clear that it will be during the night of a day. It could also mean the end of the day of the church which is in 1,977 years + or -.

The other part of this verse is very puzzling, who is telling the virgins to come out to meet the bridegroom, and how does the whole church wake up? It seems to me that an explanation that could make sense is that the resurrected dead in Christ wake up the Church before going to the clouds or that the angels of God wake up the Church to get ready for the coming Rapture. The cry may be the voice of Jesus resurrecting the dead. Who else is left to be?

Verses seven to ten do trouble and puzzle me in some of its possible meanings.

The first thing that I see is that the lamps of both groups had oil, but that the ones of the foolish ones did not have enough. Second the foolish ones realize that their lamps will run out and ask the wise for more oil, which the wise deny giving because of the fear of running out themselves. We also see that the wise send the foolish ones out to buy more oil for their lamps. They are to go to those who sell oil in order to have oil.

If oil represents the Holy Spirit as many Christians have interpreted then is it for sale, and with what can you buy it and who is selling the Spirit?

If we assume that oil is the fruits of the Spirit, (salvation is not by works but fruits are the manifestation of salvation), then it is logical that both types of virgins have oil in their lamps, but the foolish ones have very little oil or very little amount of fruits. This fits a little better but it still has some kinks on it. Who can sell oil remains a question to answer if oil is fruits?

The rest of the verses is the rejection of the foolish virgins to the wedding. I do not believe that it implies that they are not saved and therefore cast out, but their rejection is linked to the oil and it is of extreme importance that if the Rapture is to be selective of  living believers that what is oil be well researched and discussed by the body of Christ His Bride to be.

Please readers give this parable more thought and discussion, my arguments are opinions and they may be full of holes or not.

Here is the article by Marilyn Agee which is very good. She sees sin as the lack of oil which is a good explanation of the lack of oil. In quoting Rev “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot” works are fruits so the Laodicean church lacked good and plentiful fruits.

Marilyn Agee (30 Apr 2010)
Lewis Brackett: “why the 10 Virgins are not the church”

From: Marilyn Agee

Re: Lewis Brackett: “why the 10 Virgins are not the church”


Remember that there were no chapter divisions in the original Bible. Mt. 25 follows Mt. 24:51.


On the subject of the unwise servants (foolish virgins, who had oil of the Holy Spirit when they accepted Christ to start with, but whose lamps were sputtering because of unforgiven sins committed after accepting Christ), Luke 12:46 says, “The lord of that servant (the foolish virgin) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him (i.e., the foolish virgin) HIS PORTION (i.e., his part of the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS.”

Mt. 24:48-51 adds, “But and if that EVIL SERVANT (i.e., foolish virgin) shall say in his heart, MY LORD (i.e., he is a Christian believer) delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord (Jesus) of that servant (THE EVIL SERVANT BELIEVER, i.e., THE FOOLISH VIRGIN BELIEVER) shall come in a day when he (the foolish believer) looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder (lit., cut him off), and appoint him HIS PORTION (i.e., of the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (lit., pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Mt. 22:11-144 says of the foolish Laodicean virgin, “And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there A MAN WHICH HAD NOT ON A WEDDING GARMENT (i.e., a white robe): And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless (i.e., because being a foolish Laodicean, he thought he had it made). Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.”

We must be called, chosen, AND FAITHFUL. Rev. 17:14 says, “they that are with him (i.e., with the Lamb of God, Christ, after the First-Trump Rapture) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL.”

Rev 3:15-19 says to the foolish virgin, “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold (deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire (i.e., during your portion of the Tribulation), that thou mayest be rich; and WHITE RAIMENT (i.e., a wedding garment), that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and REPENT.”

Remember what I John 1:9 says to believers, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”


Of the 2nd Rapture group, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG. The Laodiceans that were vomited out of Christ’s mouth at the first Rapture cannot sing the NEW SONG at the 2nd Rapture. Rev. 14:2-5 says, “And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG (like the first-Rapture saints sing in Rev. 5:9) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth (i.e., in the 2nd Rapture). These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb.  And in their mouth was found NO GUILE: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God.”

Part of the saints caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture sing the NEW SONG. All of the saints caught up in the First-Trump Rapture sing the NEW SONG. Rev. 5:8-10 says, “…saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth.”

Psa 149:1-9 says, “Praise ye the LORD. SING UNTO THE LORD A NEW SONG, and his praise in THE CONGREGATION OF SAINTS. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. LET THE SAINTS BE JOYFUL IN GLORY: LET THEM SING ALOUD UPON THEIR BEDS. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; TO EXECUTE UPON THEM THE JUDGMENT WRITTEN: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD.”
Marilyn Agee

Lewis Brackett (29 Apr 2010)
why the 10 Virgins are not the church

I wrote this awile back . Lewis  Brackett

This parable gives me anxiety about my loved ones and family.

I hope the Lord will remember that in the times of Noah and Lot He included their immediate families with those that did not perish, but Lot’s wife was very foolish and disobeyed the angels by looking and so she perished there and then.

Yours in Christ



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April 30, 2010 at 9:49 pm

April 29, 2010 Pentecost Dates Revised

This article by Steve Coerper is a rebuttal to the article by F.M. Riley posted yesterday. It is a very convincing discussion.


Steve Coerper (29 Apr 2010)
Dear Pastor Riley –
I am among those who have what I think are legitimate and valid questions concerning the calculation of the date of Pentecost.   Our questions center on the likelihood of:
1)  Moses and perhaps 2 million Israelites (including the infirm, women, children and infants) making the trek through the desert and on foot from Goshen to Mount Sinai in Arabia (Gal. 4:25) in fifty days,
2)  Paul and his companions making the journey from Philippi to Jerusalem (as the itinerary and frequent stops are catalogued in Acts 20-21) in fifty days, and
3)  the summer wheat being mature enough by May 23rd.
These are Biblical facts that MUST be addressed in any reasonable discussion of the date.  If you have not seen Arnold Bowen’s work, I invite you to consider the position he presents and, if possible, refute his conclusions.  Here’s the math:
Raleigh, North-Carolina
Anakypto Forum on BlogTalkRadio

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April 29, 2010 at 5:06 pm

Oliver Thomas (28 Apr 2010) “To Kevin Heckle (27 Apr 2010), Enoch’s 364 day year Calendar”

Very good info by Oliver Thomas.


Oliver Thomas (28 Apr 2010)
“To Kevin Heckle (27 Apr 2010), Enoch’s 364 day year Calendar”

Enoch’s 364 day year Calendar

Dear Brother Kevin, I appreciate your detailed and thoughtful studies posted on 5Doves. Thanks for the response; context is definitely an important factor. I agree that the prophecy of the 70 weeks was fulfilled at the cross and there is no missing 70th week. Although, we do differ in respect to the year of Jesus birth and the year of the cross, I can see your approach to interpreting scripture emphasizes reason over speculation. I have done some research on the 364 day calendar and I thought I would share it. As you said the 364 day year is well documented in history, but I think it was only accurate up to the time of the flood.

The calendar before the flood was determined by the Sun, as it is today. In order to track the movement of the sun, ancient people made monuments displaying solar alignments with pillars or portals; and sometimes referred to as the windows of heaven. The Hebrews called these monuments “Matstsebah.” They were usually made of large stones that aligned with the sun on the summer solstice. These monuments are found throughout the ancient world, Stonehenge being the best known.

The invention of the calendar is attributed to Enoch who recorded in detail the yearly cycle in the Book of Enoch. He describes the calendar before the flood as having simplicity and order. In those days the Sun and Moon moved in perfect harmony. The year started at the Spring Equinox and cycled thru a 364 day year. Each month had 30 days except for the 2 months having the summer and winter solstices, and the two months having the spring and fall equinoxes; these months each had 31 days. The solstices and equinoxes happened on the 31st day of those months, and the new moon appeared every 30 and one third days on the first day of each month. Additionally, as you pointed out, the Sabbath days fit perfectly having 52 weeks of 7 days every year.

It isn’t until after the flood that the struggle to reconcile the length of the year and months becomes a problem. Comparing the orbital motion of the Sun and Moon from Enoch’s time to ours, we see that the Earth’s orbit of the sun was a little faster by about 1.24 days per year, and the Moon’s orbit of the Earth was slightly slower by roughly 19 hours each month. This change of orbit has all the earmarks of a major NEO impact event but that’s immaterial, what ever happened God did it, and the result was the great flood. Time was in chaos, months, weeks and days no longer fit the yearly cycle. This chaos probably lasted until the time of Moses when God gave the Hebrews their current calendrical system.

YBIC … Oliver Thomas

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April 29, 2010 at 1:41 am

Marie Achgill (28 Apr 2010) “Nando’s April 19 Post on Rapture 2010 by RITA”

Marie the answer to your question is seven years.

In the article Rita states this.

Hence, that part of the prophecy MUST BE fulfilled in His Second Coming.

Christ’s Second Coming will be on Rosh Hashanah 2017.
The Rapture will take place some 7 years earlier, THIS YEAR, in 2010!!!!!!!

I want to say also that I do not know Rita, but I posted this work as soon as I read it, because I thought it was good.

Thank you


Marie Achgill (28 Apr 2010)
Nando’s April 19 Post on Rapture 2010 by RITA

First, Let me thank Rita and Nando so very much for an excellently written document.  It was a delight to stretch my mind around all of these dates.  With one exception, my mind did stretch!  However, in one instance I need some help!

This was discussing 70 Weeks:  I saw 62 weeks, and I saw 7 weeks, which adds up to 69 weeks.  Where is the 70th week???

62 weeks – giving of decree by Artaxerxes in 445 BC.

7 weeks – dating backwards from Christ’s SECOND COMING to 1969, allow two extra years for the command to rebuild Jerusalem.

I do Not See the 70th week.  Can you help???

We are getting so close!  Let’s all be looking up for our Savior IS COMING!  Hallelujah!

Marie Achgill

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April 29, 2010 at 12:16 am

April 28, 2010 Rapture on Pentecost 2010?

The link I am providing here is for an article by F.M.Riley about the Feast of Pentecost. In this blog I have posted articles that he has written about this subject last year.

Mr. Riley’s good researched articles this and last year explain the good probability that the Rapture of the church will occur in a Feast of Pentecost which this year falls on May 23.

He uses the dates to arrive at numbers and then interprets their meaning. This part may be true, but his arguments are stronger in his interpretation on the previous article. Non the less it is a very good work.

Thank you pastor Riley


F.M. Riley (28 Apr 2010)


By Pastor F. M. Riley

April 26, 2010

The previous article:

F.M. Riley (15 Apr 2009)
“Pentecost Revisited”

Pentecost Revisited

By Pastor F. M. Riley

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April 28, 2010 at 9:52 pm

April 27, 2010 Is Noah’s Ark found?

MSN gave the story that Noah’s ark has been discovered with an air of skepticism. I personally think that the ark was real and that at one point in time God is going to show the world where it is. This may be the time.


Noah’s Ark found? Not so fast

Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:00 PM by Alan Boyle<!– Alan Boyle –>

NAMI / AFP – Getty Images
A photo from Noah’s Ark Ministries International shows a member of the Chinese-
Turkish evangelical exploration team looking at wooden beams inside a
compartment of a structure that the team has linked to the Biblical Noah’s Ark.

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April 27, 2010 at 10:18 pm

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Jim Bramlett (26 Apr 2010) “Was Jesus a Marxist?”

A beautiful testimony about the transforming power of Jesus. Thanks Jim for the article


Jim Bramlett (26 Apr 2010)
Was Jesus a Marxist?

Dear friends:

Below is an insightful article from American Thinker by “Robin of Berkley,” a California psychotherapist and Jew.

Robin is an excellent writer.  For a hilarious but touching description of her first experience in church, see .

In the article below, she mentions the left-wing “Reverend” Jim Wallis.  Wallis and his friend and kindred spirit, Central Florida mega-pastor Joel Hunter, both serve on Obama’s “spiritual” team.


Was Jesus a Marxist?
By Robin of Berkeley

After my first Christmas mass, I felt strange for days. As hard as I tried, I couldn’t put my finger on why.

A week later, it dawned on me — I felt peaceful. Aha! No wonder I was stumped!

I’m intimately familiar with anger and sadness and frustration — intermixed with those fleeting moments of joy. But peace? That’s not a state hardwired into my Berkeley edge.

I liked the feeling though…a lot. I was breathing deeper and sleeping better. After it dissolved in another week or so, I wanted more of that peaceful, easy feeling.

Trying to ignore the doleful expression of my secular mate, I headed out to a few more lovely services — at a synagogue, a Lutheran church, and, my personal favorite, Assemblies of God (as a perk, Sarah Palin’s []

While perusing the Yellow Pages, I eyed another contender — a church in a nearby town that touted superb music and a dynamic congregation.

When I called to find out more, I was pleased that the minister himself answered the phone. When I asked him to describe his church, he answered rather sternly, “We do God’s work through social justice.”

Taken aback, I said, “I’m looking for a church that focuses on God, not politics.”

He countered vociferously, “We get to God through social justice!”

“That’s a matter of dispute,” I responded. “Thank you for your time.” Click.

When I got off the phone, I was shaken up — literally. My entire body was shaking.

It was partly the creepiness of a minister sounding so possessed. But more than this: I got a bird’s-eye view of what Glenn Beck has been talking about for weeks.

Beck has revealed that churches are increasingly becoming socialist breeding grounds. It’s not just the Rev. Wright who preached revolution. The president’s new Palm Pilot minister, Jim Wallis, trumpets getting to heaven through redistribution.

It’s bad enough that the radicals want our children, our newspapers, our money, and our health care. But hijacking God?

The Left tried first to separate people from God. They banished Him from schools and government; they ridiculed and mocked believers.

Their efforts having failed miserably (about 80% of all Americans still identity as Christian), so they turn to plan B: Contaminate the Word of God.

The Left has had many incarnations. The latest is masquerading as holy men, with the holiest, of course, being Obama.

At least the ’60s radicals were transparent about their true colors. The Weathermen, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Black Panthers never held themselves out as Messiahs. They were right in your face with their terrorism, murders, and rapes.

Obama role model Saul Alinsky announced to the whole world which master the Left serves. Here’s his dedication in Rules for Radicals: church of choice).

“Lest we forget at least an over-the shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical … the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

More insidious is the new crop of leftists. Wearing the cloak of respectability, they trick the masses through flowery words about hope and change.

But those of us who recognize Light also know the chill of darkness. The Left is nocturnal. Its followers live and breathe in the dark.

To me, God is about surrender, not power; humility, not humiliation.

A life of the spirit means relinquishing control to God. Humans can’t second-guess divine wisdom.

The Left views hardship as unfair and launches crusades for social justice. But there’s another way to regard suffering — as holy. Through pain, we solidify our relationship to our Creator.

I think that the progressives know, deep inside, in places they keep well-hidden, that their souls are damaged.

Their movement is not really about redistribution, or social justice, or green power. It’s about extinguishing the Light that exposes their brokenness.

And that’s why the Left targets the bright-eyed people — the children and the pious. In them, the Light is luminous.

I’ve seen that Light in spades at some of those religious services. On Easter, in a crime-ravaged area, I sat with over a thousand people of every race and creed.

I saw sights that astonished me, like a distraught white woman being cradled by a black woman adorned in brilliant African garb. Or several men of varying races and ages embracing each other, praying together.

I saw a laying-on of hands among people of every possible color, who were tending to each other, caring for each other. I’d never before seen the power of God in all its vibrancy.

A better world can exist — I know because I’ve witnessed it. Unity is possible, but only with God as the middleman.

But the religious Left don’t want to minister to people with love and kindness. Instead, they’re trying to recreate Jesus in their own image.

But, try as they might, they can’t bulldoze their way into heaven. By even making the effort, they serve another master entirely.

You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
You’re gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.
– Bob Dylan, “Gotta Serve Somebody”

Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge him,
And he will make your paths straight.
(Proverbs 3:5-6)

A frequent AT contributor, Robin is a recovering liberal and a psychotherapist in Berkeley.

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April 26, 2010 at 7:11 pm