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Rene (23 Feb 2009) “re: Hiding in Plain Sight – Lions and Tigers & Bears? Oh-MY!”

Rene (23 Feb 2009)
re: Hiding in Plain Sight – Lions and Tigers & Bears? Oh-MY!


Great article John!!!! Besides wearing his “name” there are many other very peculiar things about this Reader’s Digest cover page–
Notice how his head is centered right under the letter O. Is it purposely done so as to make it look like he
has a HALO on his head??? Also – notice one of the strories on the front page is titled: “CLONING the
Extinct Tasmanian Tiger.” It is interesting that a tiger is a cat with BLACK stripes over an orangish-colored
background – a sort of light and dark animal —–and B.O. is half-breed, both light and dark!
The Bible calls the AC a leopard and a leopard is a cat. Realize too that a black leopard is a panther or jaguar. Interesting that there is an article about a Tasmanian Tiger on this cover. It is also interesting that the word Tasmanian also brings to mind to many people another creature that resembles a smaller cat (or even a small bear) – the Tasmanian DEVIL! So here you have an inference about a devil and a cat on the same cover. Also – most people do not know that big cats and bears use their CLAWS to make MARKS on trees! The AC is a CAT who will force a MARK on those who follow him!  Another thing – the AC is said to have CLAWS. People that love him will be torn to pieces or torn to shreds (symbolically??). He is also called a “beast.” So you have a beast (two of them inferred) in this article – a devil – a large CAT –AND a creature that won’t love you – it will BITE you instead. Notice the HEART that is broken on the top left corner that says “Love Bites.” Strange, eh? Should we BEWARE of a BLACK CAT? Especially on Friday the 13th crossing our path? The beast is connected to the number 6 and the number 13 and the number 18! The Tasmanian Tiger is from  Europe and from down under – Australia. And it is equally strange that the “nose-to-tail length” of this creature was SIX feet. In this picture, the creature resembles a coyote http://www.livescience.com/animals/070703_tasmanian_tiger.html – a FOX! Jesus referred to his enemy, Herod, as a FOX at one time. The creature is COUSIN to the Tasmanian Devil! (related to the “devil”???)
I thought this particular article was fascinating: http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/BHAN-53777B — WHY? Because it is talking about the creature being EXtinct, but if you go half-way down the page, there is a section entitled (I kid you not!) “Hope For The Future”! They are speaking, of course, that Australia itself might be a “final hope” for many creatures facing extinction (though their record in the past has been dismal, per the article). Isn’t it interesting though – that an article that speaks of this Tasmanian WOLF-CAT creature uses words like “final hope” and “hope for the future” – and here we have this other article that pops up on Reader’s Digest with B.O.’s picture on it?!! Coincidence? A person who mangled the word “Hope” in his entire campaign – at least in some people’s opinion!
And last but not least – here is the most fascinating part of all!  Here is a photo of what the Tasmanian Tiger looks like!   http://amonline.net.au/thylacine/02.htm He has 46 teeth with large, powerful jaws – a prominent MOUTH! This TIGER-WOLF-like creature is called a “Thylacine” and it appears to be part cat, part wolf!  Color-wise, it is also an integrated type of animal – consider that it is yellowish brown to gray (what we might call a mulatto?) and it also has stripes, but they don’t start until half way down the body! It has a head much like a dog (the enemies of Jesus, who were gaping at him on the cross are referred to as DOGS in the Bible). This “tiger” is also referred to as a WOLF!!! (SO – we have the antichrist, who will be a WOLF in sheep’s clothing!) He will be an integrated half-breed:  http://amonline.net.au/thylacine/01.htm. Not only the females, but the MALES have a partial pouch that opens from the back. It is interesting too that they preyed on SHEEP (and other animals)! And unlike some big animals that come out only at night, this cat-wolf was out during the day and at night as well. http://amonline.net.au/thylacine/03.htm. The AC will prey on God’s SHEEP during the tribulation! They were considered PESTS! I think the Tasmanian devil resembles a HUGE RAT!!!  And wasn’t it RATS that carried the bubonic plague throughout Europe during the BLACK death??? During the time of the DARK ages??? (Are we entering another “Dark Age” of mankind as the Tribulation looms near???)
http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/BHAN-5358KH?open
Anyone notice that this Reader’s Digest page has not five, not seven, not eight, not four, but SIX STARS and they are around B.O.’s NAME! Also – if you look right below the last 3 stars, you have the article entitled: “Take Heart A Killer Stalking Young People.”  We know that the devil roams the earth SEEKING whom he may devour and during the great Tribulation, people will be HUNTED down and killed for the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus! Isn’t it odd how this page with this man’s photo has articles that talk about cats, wolves, bears, killers, a devil, tigers and BITES – as well as “Good and Evil” and “A Better World”??? Surely ALL OF THIS is merely coincidence?!
Rene

P.S. – why would you name someone “renegade?” Is it because you consider them a rebel and perhaps a PEST??!!

Correction – his head is not centered under the letter O, but under the letter e – and you only see the top part of the e, which looks like an O or a half-circle (kinda like a half-moon – you know – the god that the muslims worship – the moon-god)? Oh, and there are THIRTEEN letters in Reader’s Digest. Just another coincidence (surely)!

I also did not mention the fact that this magazine cover page has the number 10 in huge letters Recall the ten-toed kingdom in the book of Daniel!?? The beast is connected to this final kingdom that sweeps over the whole earth!

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February 24, 2009 at 3:29 am

Bruce Baber (21 Feb 2009) “THE BIG QUESTION: DO YOU THINK LUKEWARM CHRISTIANS GO IN THE PRETRIB RAPTURE?

This article has covered the subject of the rapture in great detail and is well done.  There is one question that must be made, what happens after the mid tribulation with the survivors. We know by the scriptures that Jesus separates them into the goats and the sheep.  Are the sheep believers or they are accepted becuase they met the critiria He mentions that these people did. Hungry- fed me, in jail- visited me etc.

The article is very educational about was is known as the rapture.

Bruce Baber (21 Feb 2009)
THE BIG QUESTION: DO YOU THINK LUKEWARM CHRISTIANS GO IN THE PRETRIB RAPTURE?


Will lukewarm Christians go in the pretribulation rapture?
From: Bruce Baber
Imagine a lukewarm Christian.  It’s not hard to imagine is it?  You probably know someone who is a lukewarm Christian.  I think we all do.  They attend church sometimes.  Maybe they even sing in the choir.  But, they are not on fire for the Lord.  They aren’t watching for His return.  Maybe they see the return of Jesus as being way off in future saying that the world is going to go on as it always has.  And if they don’t actually say that, they certainly live as though they had.
As I understand scripture, even lukewarm Christians are saved and will go to Heaven.  I think this what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians chapter 3, verse 15.  “…but he will be saved; yet it will be like an escape through fire.”     But being saved is no guarantee of going in the pretribulation rapture.  Jesus said lukewarm Christians are spewed out.  They are like the five lazy virgins who get left behind in Matthew 25.  They found the door shut! What do you think of when you think of “lukewarm”?  Don’t you think about the Laodicean church?  If the Laodicean lukewarm believers should miss the pretribulation rapture, it would certainly mean that they would have to endure the first half of the tribulation before God’s wrath is poured out yet after Satan’s persecution of the church had begun.
1 Thessalonians 5: 9 gives us the assurance that Christians are not appointed for God’s wrath.  Therefore, a prewrath rapture would also be offered.  Revelation 20:4 gives us a picture of what those formerly lukewarm Christians will have to endure under Satan’s persecution.  No, they won’t stay lukewarm.  Persecution tends to change people.  But the horror!  That person who sometimes attends church, or maybe sings in the choir will be faced with torture, or beheading!
I have many, many dear brothers and sisters who believe that all Christians will go in the pretribulation rapture.  I love them and truly, truly hope they are right.  I really, honestly do.  I just don’t see the scriptures the same as they do.  I don’t expect to change what I believe.  But, for the sake of those who may be lukewarm, I hope that I am wrong.
I am attaching the details of what I believe below.  Please read it and ask yourself… do you really believe lukewarm Christians will go in the pretribulation rapture? I think the pretribulation rapture is coming soon.  In fact, I dare say it may well be this Spring.  If you have read my post before, you can skip reading what follows, but please, please don’t sit in the lifeboat while your brothers and sisters are still struggling in the stormy waters.
Bruce Baber

Introduction:

Parallels in the Bible

Judaic poetry was composed using parallels. Not the meter and rhyme that we are used to. Here’s just one example out of the thousands that occur in our Bible. Psalm 119: “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.” Lamp to my feet” and “light to my path” are parallel ways of saying the same thing. Now look at a familiar Bible story. In Genesis chapter 37 we are introduced to a boy named Joseph. Notice the parallels in this story with the life of Jesus.

Here’s some of the parallels between Joseph and Jesus:

Son of a wealthy, loving father/ shepherd/ each given a special coat/ taken to Egypt/ became a servant/ ministry began at thirty/ filled with the Spirit/ gave bread to the hungry/ resisted temptations/ prophesied/ falsely accused/ condemned between two prisoners/ one prisoner saved and one was not. /Joseph married just before the seven years of famine and Jesus will take His bride before the seven years of tribulation!

I could go on and on. There are over twenty parallels between them. The point is this. God speaks to us through His word in parallels. He uses parallels to teach us! There is a parallel in the scriptures that teaches us something about the end-time church!

The Two Feet of the Body of Christ

The Mystery of the End-Time Church

by Bruce Baber

The two feet of the statue in Daniel’s vision symbolize the end-time empire.

The two feet of the body of Christ symbolize the end-time church!

I was in the delivery room with my wife when both of our children were born. I remember how anxious and excited I was as a proud, expectant father. Both Suzanne and I were so relieved and happy when the doctor announced, “I can see the head!” In the moments that followed, there was a body and last, those two tiny feet. Our joy was fulfilled when we saw each of our children born whole and complete into this world.

Of course, the joy we felt cannot equal God’s joy with the birth of His church. After all, He had waited and planned for it for so long! Is the analogy accurate? Is the comparison of a baby’s birth to the church’s birth a fair comparison to make? Absolutely! The church is the Body of Christ and He is the head. The Bible states this in a number of passages quite clearly. See Ephesians 4:12 and 5:23.

Here also is what Paul wrote in I Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 12:12-26
12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its p arts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.

And further on in I Corinthians 12: 18-20 it reads:
18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

Knowing that we are part of the body of Christ, we may also find it interesting to go back and read Psalm 139. It certainly speaks about how God formed us in the womb and knew us before we were born as individuals into this world. However, when we view this Psalm in terms of the birth of the church as Christ’s body, i t takes on both a very symbolic and prophetic meaning.

In fact, there are many places in the Bible that hint at what was to become the future birth of the church. But, once we begin to focus on the birth of the church and begin to think in those terms, we are left with a very obvious conclusion. If the church is born into this world like a baby, with first the head (Christ) appearing, followed in succession by the other parts of the body, then the end-time church would naturally have to be the feet.

We, the end-time church, are the feet of the Body of Christ! This fact is important. It allows us to see if God has foreshadowed any events which relate to this part of the church. Now that we know how to look for it, we find that the Bible has a great deal to tell us!

It seems staggering to me that so much has been written on the two feet of the image which appears in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream which is found in the book of Daniel. Volumes and volumes! Daniel, him se lf, tells us that the feet of the statue represent the end-time empire. We know this is the revived Roman Empire. Much has been said in books, sermons, lectures and discussions about the feet of the statue. If the Bible gives us so much to go on regarding the feet of the image in the book of Daniel, isn’t it possible that the Bible would give us at least as much detail about the end-time church? In fact, it gives us a great amount.

One Heel Will be Bruised

All the way back in Genesis 3:15, we find a veiled reference relating to a foot, or heel, which will be injured by Satan. Practically everyone agrees that this is a reference to the crucifixion of Christ. So do I. Jesus’ feet were pierced when He was crucified. Genesis 3:15 certainly does symbolize the crucifixion event. However, it is also a veiled foreshadowing of an event which pertains to the end-time church. How do I know this? Because the Bible doesn’t make mistakes. Genesis 3:15 clearly says heel (singular) . It does not say heels (plural). During the crucifixion, both of Jesus’ feet were pierced. I am utterly convinced that when God was speaking in Genesis 3:15, He was at the same time making a veiled prophecy about the end-time church! Just as the statue in Daniel has two feet which represent the end-time world power, so the end-time church is represented by two feet, one of which will be bruised, or persecuted by the seed of Satan! God says that one heel will be bruised, not two. What happens to the other foot? The answer is simple. One part of the church (one foot) will have gone in the Rapture! It was the front foot.

(Note: If the seed / offspring of the serpent refers to the antichrist and the seed/ offspring of the woman refers to body of Christ which is the church, then the foot of Christ, or church left behind may be responsible for the head wound that the antichrist receives. Someone who is a member of the body of Christ that is left behind which I refer to as the second foot, may somehow deliver one or two blows to the antichrist thus wounding his head causing him to be blinded in one eye and another wound which would cause the antichrist‘s arm to wither. This attack on the antichrist would happen close to the midpoint of the tribulation and seem to kill the antichrist. However, the antichrist will rise up fully possessed by the devil).

I remember something that happened to me when I was a young boy. I was fishing with some older boys at a pond. Sunning itself beside the water’s edge was a poisonous copperhead snake. I didn’t see it. I stepped right on top of it. The moment it moved under my foot, I saw it and jumped. That snake was mad! It came after me. Thankfully, my friends were there to chase it away with their fishing poles. But, had that snake caught me, it would surely have bitten me on the back of my heel. I was running from it. My heel was the only place it could have struck me. When Satan chases and persecutes the end-time church, which is represented symbolically by the feet, he will surely bruise and afflict the heel of the foot which is fleeing from him. One foot of the church will be beyond his grasp. It will have departed.

Enoch and Elijah

Back to foreshadowing. If one foot of the church is taken in the Rapture, we should find it foreshadowed in the scriptures. It’s there, of course. Enoch. We find him raptured way back in Genesis. He is the first one to have ever been taken away. But, he isn’t the last one! There is further foreshadowing of a second Rapture. Elijah. He foreshadows the Rapture of the second foot of the persecuted end-time church. Elijah’s life perfectly represents the church of the persecution during the Tribulation. At various times he had to go into hiding. He was persecuted by King Ahab and his wife Jezebel who participated in the vilest forms of idolatry. Of special interest is the fact that during a period of about three years, there was a severe drought and famine. He had to leave his country and live with a widow who miraculously supplied him with food. On another occasion, Elijah was supplied with food by ravens. Later, he was helped by an angel who provided food and water. At various times, Elijah would say he was the only believer left.

Taken together, all these instances make a dramatic parallel to the events which transpire for the Christians who have to go through the persecution. Not being able to buy or sell, they will be forced from their homes and depend on miraculous provision from God. They too may feel like they are the only true believers who are left. However, they are not alone. God will not abandon them just as he did not abandon Elijah. Moreover, the persecuted Christians will have the same source of strength that Elijah had. They will receive the Holy Spirit. Remember what the Amplified Bible calls the Holy Spirit? He is called the Comforter, Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby.

The Departure and Return of the Holy Spirit

There are many who teach that when the Pre-Tribulation church goes in the (first) Rapture, the Holy Spirit departs with them. This is only partially true. The Holy Spirit does go with them. However, he does return. Just like our blessed Savior who departed, but will come again. Can this be proven? Yes! Beyond any doubt. In John 14:16, Jesus said, “I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter, that He may abide with you forever.” A little further on, Jesus said, “I will not leave you comfortless.” I would call this teaching pretty direct. But, let’s see if it fits with what we know about the end-time church being the symbolic feet of Christ. Earlier , I sa id that once w e knew that the end-time church is symbolically represented by the feet of Christ, it would lead us to discover what God has in store. Let’s find out.

On two separate occasions, Jesus’ feet were anointed with a costly perfume. Luke 7:38 and John 12:3 describe two separate, but similar events. In each case, Jesus’ feet were anointed with costly perfume. Read the passages and compare them for yourself. They are two separate events! One occurs in the house of a Pharisee and other event occurs in the home of Mary and Martha. Here is what John Wesley said in his commentary on Luke 7:37. “A woman – Not the same with Mary of Bethany, who anointed him six days before his last passover. ”

The perfume is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. What a perfectly harmonious analogy! The church which goes in the first Rapture has the Holy Spirit. Later, the remaining church is given the Holy Spirit! This brings me to an important point. The very reason that part of the church is left behind at the first Rapture is because they are living without the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives right now! They will be left out of the first event and have to live through a terrible persecution because they are not living for Jesus in the present. What a terrible tragedy!

I believe that for a period of time, the church of the persecution (symbolized by the second foot of Christ) will have to endure without the Holy Spirit. They will be like Jeremiah, who in Lamentations 1:16, said, “For these things I weep; my eyes flow with tears, because a comforter, one who could refresh and restore my soul, is far from me…” (Amplified Bible). But, please remember that God will not abandon this church. They will be sent the Holy Spirit. After all, it was ten days after Jesus departed this world before the Holy Spirit was sent.

The Foolish Virgins

Jesus taught a parable which is a warning about being caught without enough of the Holy Spirit at His com ing t o take t he church into Heaven. It is known as the parable of the foolish virgins.

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there not be enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door (which opens in heaven at the Rapture) was shut (like the door of the Ark) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying Lord, Lord , open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Christ is the bridegroom coming for His bride, the church. The oil represents the Holy Spirit. We should not be like foolish virgins and be left behind at the first trumpet call.

The Servants Who Missed the Wedding

The following scripture may be the clincher. Read Luke 12:36. The characters are not virgins waiting to be taken to a wedding. They are servants waiting for their master to return for them after he has been to the wedding!

35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night.

Does this mean that the first foot caught up in the rapture joins the others in Heaven to be the bride of Christ and join Him in the marriage supper? Does this mean that the second foot which is caught up later is not the bride, but is still considered His servants? These questions occur to me and I think the answer may be “yes.” The book of Joel has a passage about the Holy Spirit being given to waiting servants…

Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’

Two Trumpet Calls

When the Jews were wandering in the wilderness, before entering the Promised Land, there were two trumpet calls in the morning to prepare the people to move out. The first one called the leaders of the tribes. The second one called the remainder of the people. Just as with the ancient Jews, there will be two trumpet calls for the church. Both trumpet calls are to the two coming rapture events. If you are reading this before the first Rapture, I urge you to pray for the fullness of the Holy Spirit in your life and the lives of all your loved ones. Do it now! Don’t wait. Be ready when the first call is made. You do not have to endure the agony of persecution.

If you are reading this after the first call, take heart. The Holy Spirit will come. Pray for the Holy Spirit unceasingly and God will surely provide. And just like with Elijah, God will provide sustenance, food when you need it, water when you need it. It might not be a feast. It might onl y be as little as what a bird can bring (remember Elijah being fed by the ravens). God will never abandon you, no matter how you feel. Don’t go with feelings. Go with faith! There is hope for you. He will give food, the Holy Spirit and a second call to join Him in Heaven at the second Rapture. Remember, just like feet, we mount up the stairs one foot at a time.

Jacob’s Ladder

One foot at a time. That’s how we climb the steps of a ladder, or go up the stairs. In Genesis 28:12, Jacob has a dream. It is one of the most familiar passages in the Bible and yet many of us have missed its significance.

“He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. ” Yes. It is a ladder. In all my life, I never climbed a ladder using two feet at a time. The point is simple and well taken. The two symbolic feet of Christ’s body will mount up to Heaven in two stages. There will be two Raptures.

Is this the only example we can look at? No. Look at the Song of Solomon. So many people ignore this book. I don’t know why. It is one of the most beautiful books in the Bible. One of the reasons that I delight in reading it is because it gives us a wonderful insight into how God views the Bride of Christ. Please remember that the body, the church, is also the Bride of Christ and is described in those terms in a number of different

passages.

In the Song of Solomon (chapter 2, verse 10) the inspired word of God says, “My beloved speaks to me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away…” At the Rapture, God will call us to rise up! A few verses later (verse 14), the Amplified Bible says, “So I went with him, and when we were climbing the rocky steps…” There it is again! Steps. Steps which we can only climb up one foot at a time.

It would be easy at this point to digress. There is a great deal more that could be made out of the foreshadowing in the Song of Solomon. However, the point I would most like to bring out, regards the specific reference this book makes about the feet. Please notice the beautiful descriptions attributed to each part of the body. We see how God feels about each and every part. The feet are described as being beautiful (chapter 7, verse 1). God truly loves us! To Him, we are beautiful despite all our faults. Despite all we have ever done, God finds beauty in us.

Do I Have any Other Proof?

Up to this point, if you only believe there is one rapture and that it occurs before the tribulation, then how do you reconcile your belief with Genesis 18:22-33? Read this passage directly from the New International Version.

Genesis 18:23-33

23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing–to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.” 27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.” 29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?” He said, “For the sake of forty, I w ill not do it.” 30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?” He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” 33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

If God won’t even destroy a city such as wicked Sodom, how can you accept an unchangeable God destroying the world unless you accept that no one will get saved after the rapture of the Bride? I contend that people will get saved. They will endure persecution and death. They will be caught up to Heaven.

The story of Abraham leaving the area of Sodom would parallel the first rapture. Read the story about Lot. He is warned to leave Sodom too. But not until moments before God’s wrath is poured out on the city! This would be the parallel to a prewrath rapture which presumably occurs at the midpoint of the tribulation.

I know what you must be thinking. If there are two separate Raptures, then when will they occur? I truly don’t know. I believe we are in the final days. As for the second Rapture, look at Revelation 2:10. Once again, I will quote from the Amplified Bible:

“Fear nothing that you are about to suffer. Dismiss your dread and your fears! Behold, the devil is indeed about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested and proven and critically appraised; and for ten days you will have affliction. Be loyally faithful unto death – (that is) even if you must die for it – and I will give you the crown of life.”

My guess is that the second rapture occurs when the two witnesses are taken up in the book of Revelation. At the midway point of tribulation? I suppose. I can only conclude that it is far better to be a participant in the first rapture. God doesn’t want us to endure the coming persecution. He gives us a way out! We just have to be ready. Remember those virgins who were waiting for the bridegroom to come? Some were ready and some foolishly were not. I urge you to pray. Pray that the Holy Spirit will come fully and completely to live in you. Be filled with His presence. Accept not only God’s salvation and accept Him as Lord of your life. Do it now. Please do not wait.

Finally, let me address why I think that very few people have caught on to the Two Rapture Theory. I think it’s the same reason that there was confusion in Jesus’ day when people missed the fact that the Messiah would have to come twice. The prophecies would often show the first and second coming in the sam e context. Passages that relate to the two raptures are perceived by readers as being all about one and the same event.

Do I believe that there are two rapture events? Yes, until I am confronted with compelling evidence that would lead me to believe otherwise. In the end, what matters most is that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. May God be with you and may He give us all faith, hope, peace, humility, understanding and love.

Post Script: This study may have you lost if you don’t know your Bible. Get your Bible and read it! Here is a sequence of events of a period of time called the tribulation. It starts after the pretribulation rapture. Following the pretrib rapture, there comes the tribulation which lasts for a total of seven years. The first three-and-a-half years are bad. The second tree-and-a-half years are much worse. This second part is called the Great Tribulation.

1. Pretribulation rapture. This occurs before seven years of a terrible time of wars and persecution. The pretribulation rapture may happen just before or just after the war between Israel and Syria.

2. Destruction of Damascus, Syria. I believe Israel will utterly destroy Damascus with probably a nuclear weapon in response to a missile attack from Syria. The Syrian missiles will probably have chemical or biological warheads and may accidentally strike unintended targets such as Gaza which is inhabited by the pro-Syria Palestinians. Israel will retaliate and win the war and then be lulled or pressured into a peace treaty. The peace treaty will be instigated by the antichrist. The antichrist will seem good and everyone will be fooled into believing that he is the savior of the world. The Jews may start to rebuild the temple at this time. If not now, then after the war of Gog and Magog.

3. Two mysterious men will appear in Jerusalem and begin to preach. These are men sent by God to preach the truth. One of them will be Elijah. The other could be Moses or Enoch. They will do miracles and will stop the rain. They will denounce the antichrist and show men that Jesus is the only true savior, the one and only true Son of God, truly God and truly human and the only one who died on a cross to save us from Hell and our sins, who was resurrected from the grave and who is coming back to reign on earth.

4. War of Gog and Magog. An alliance between Russia, Iran and a confederation of Moslem countries including some from Africa will come against Israel which will be caught off guard. God will annihilate Israel’s enemies.

5. The antichrist will have started to pull together a one-world empire with one centrally controlled currency (electronically perhaps). The antichrist will be backed by a religious leader that the Bible calls the false prophet. The false prophet will do seemingly miraculous things whenever he is in the presence of the antichrist. The antichrist will not allow anyone to buy or sell without a special mark. THE BIBLE WARNS THAT EVERYONE WHO GETS THE MARK WILL GO TO HELL! Christians who finally wake up and refuse the mark will be persecuted, jailed, even killed. God will give them special rewards in Heaven. The antichrist will succeed in killing God’s two witnesses in Jerusalem.

6. Prewrath rapture and the beginning of the last three-and-a-half years called the Great Tribulation. Christians will be caught up to Heaven and finally be free from the persecution of the antichrist. The world will watch in amazement as the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead and are caught up to Heaven.

7. God will now start to pour out His wrath for the Great Tribulation lasting three-and-a-half years.. Millions will die and go to Hell. Earthquakes such as the world has never known, more wars, famine, disease. Even meteors or comets hit the earth. The antichrist will get even worse as the devil himself possesses him. He will invade Israel with a vast army. China and an alliance of Asian nations called the Kings of the East in the Bible come against the army of the antichrist. The final war of Armageddon is waged. At the height of this war, Jesus returns with His army of saints from Heaven and Jesus wages war on the armies of mankind. Jesus kills them with the words of His mouth.

8. Jesus reigns on earth as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

Post Script: Draw two stick figures on a sheet of paper. The first one will represent the statue in Daniel’s vision. Label the head Babylon. The arms and shoulders will be the Medes and Persians. The torso is Greece. The legs are the eastern and western Roman empire. Lastly the feet are the end-time empire. Now start labeling the second figure with Christ as the head. The arms and shoulders are Ephesus and Smyrna. The torso is Pergamos. The legs are Thyatira and Sardis. The end-time church is represented by Philadelphia and Laodicea. Many have wrongly labeled all of the end-time church as Laodicea because it is mentioned last in Revelations. However this best describes the state of the end-time church in Europe and parts of the US. The Philadelphia church is still very much alive and full of the Holy Spirit in some parts of the US, Africa and China. The end time churches are truly represented by the two feet of the body of Christ.

Post Script: I did not come up with the following, but surely believe that there is truth in it. Paul said to use the Jewish festivals as a way to view prophecy.

The first Spring harvest is the barley harvest which would represent the pretribulation rapture.

Barley is harvested by winnowing… tossing the grain up in the air to separate the grain from the husk.

The next harvest is the wheat harvest which could very well represent a prewrath rapture.

Wheat in ancient times was harvested using a tribulum (a word we get tribulation from)!

The tribulum was a board embedded with stones to bruise the kernels of wheat to separate it from the chaff.

Lastly comes the harvest of grapes. At the second coming, Christ will trod the grapes in the winepress of His wrath.

I found these parallels to be profoundly thought provoking. I look for the pretrib rapture in the Spring (perhaps April 2009) and rejoice believing that at long last He is at the door.

Written by twelvebooks

February 22, 2009 at 5:16 am

This is a follow up to the last post here. Click on the link to see the cover of the magazine

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2009/tng221.htm

John Tng (21 Feb 2009)
Hiding in Plain Sight


Dear Doves,

President Obama appears on the front cover of the current issue of Reader’s Digest (below). I wasn’t really looking for anything in particular at first. For some reason, the time on his wrist watch caught my attention. I took a closer look and was truly shocked when I realized that he was wearing his name BARACK on his hand! Is he into steganography, the art and science of hiding things in plain sight? Or is it just pure coincidence?

You decide.

The Hebrew gematria value of BARACK is 302 and the time on Obama’s watch reads 3:02.

This guy is creepy.

John


Written by twelvebooks

February 22, 2009 at 4:43 am

(Feb 18, 2009) Bible proof that Barack Hussein Obama is the antichrist

(Feb 18, 2009) Bible proof that Barack Hussein Obama is the antichrist

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html

A number sent from God

Dear readers today I went to the web site fivedoves.com and there was an article by Mr. John Tng about Obama. This article is a grand work of discovery by Mr. Tng and the other person mentioned. For those of you that want to follow his numbers it is required that you see the tables for the numerical equivalent of the letters of the alphabet in English, Greek and Hebrew.

In some of my postings I have placed these tables before. A copy of the article is included in this post as well as a web link to it.

John Tng (3 Feb 2009) “CHANGE is coming to a Planet near you!”

John Tng (29 Dec 2008)
The Revelation of John

John Tng (19 Dec 2008)
“The US ‘08 Election prophesied in the Bible!“

John Tng (2 Dec 2008)
“Is the Man of Sin Revealed?“

John Tng (22 Nov 2008)
“Has the Penny Finally Dropped?“

John Tng (27 Oct 2008)
“Psalm 108“

The following is the home page for the gematrias:

http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/oracle.htm#OR1

Standard English Gematria


A=1

B=2

C=3

D=4

E=5

F=6

G=7

H=8

I=9

J=10

K=20

L=30

M=40

N=50

O=60

P=70

Q=80

R=90

S=100

T=200

U=300

V=400

W=500

X=600

Y=700

Z=800

Reduced English Gematria


A=1

B=2

C=3

D=4

E=5

F=6

G=7

H=8

I=9

J=1

K=2

L=3

M=4

N=5

O=6

P=7

Q=8

R=9

S=1

T=2

U=3

V=4

W=5

X=6

Y=7

Z=8

And finally the link for today’s Tng last article:

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html

Yours in Jesus

Nando

Written by twelvebooks

February 19, 2009 at 3:40 am

(Feb 17, 2009) Obama Threatens Keyes and Other Eligibility Plaintiffs

THERE WAS A POSTING TODAY IN fivedoves.com THAT SEND ME TO THE KEYES WEB SITE. HE IS ONE OF THE PERSONS THAT HAS CHALLENGED OBAMA’S BIRTH PROOF IN THE SUPREME COURT.

http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-threatens-keyes-and-other.html

Written by twelvebooks

February 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm

(Feb 15, 2009) Obama and the pending court cases.

A few weeks back I published a letter stating that I had seen a license plate with the number 555 and another with the 777 and another with the 77.  After I thought that the case numbers in the US  Supreme Court Order # 555 was the reference to the plates and that the case of Berg against Obama at that time was going to bear fruit, which it did not . Today I went to Mr. Bergs web site and found that he has three other cases pending, but what caught my attention is the following.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire

555 Andorra Glen Court #12

Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531 Cell (610) 662-3005

(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659

http://www.obamacrimes.info/

As you can see his address is 555 Andorra… and he is pursuing cases that will eventually go to the Supreme Court. Now I think that the double incidence of the cases being 555 and the address was what God was calling my attention too.  My interpretation is that Mr. Berg will be successful in the Court which this year carries the number 555 for all its cases.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/nando113-1.htm

Also I have read about the # 555 relating to Obama.  Time will tell and a short one at that.

Welcome to Obama Crimes

This website was created after research indicated that Barack Obama is not a “natural born” citizen or a Citizen of the United States as required by the United States Constitution to be eligible for the Office of President.

Former Deputy State Attorney General, Attorney Philip J. Berg filed a lawsuit against Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee. This case is now pending at the U. S. Supreme Court.

The United States Constitution
Article II Section 1, states in part:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

…No Person except a natural born Citizen …….. shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(words were removed for clarification purposes only)

This full page advertisement was run in the Washington Times Weekly on November 17, 2008 and December 6, 2008 and Human Events on December 6, 2008. This advertisement can be used by you to express your concern about this matter to your public representatives.

We have pending three [3] other cases because we are determined, no matter how long it takes, to expose Obama’s “Hoax” on the 305 million people in our country, that Obama is “not qualified” pursuant to our U.S. Constitution to be President. Three cases are still pending on this issue:

Berg vs. Obama, Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340
Berg filed Brief on 1/20/09

Berg vs. Obama, U.S. District Court
Case filed under seal on 11/07/08 – cannot be discussed

Hollister vs. Barry Soetoro a/k/a Obama U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Docket # 08-02254 Case filed 12/31/08, Defendants answer is pending

Nando

Written by twelvebooks

February 16, 2009 at 4:45 am

(Feb 15, 2009) Barack Bible Number Codes

A short video about Obama

Written by twelvebooks

February 15, 2009 at 10:59 pm