Archive for February 2009
Bruce Baber (21 Feb 2009) “THE BIG QUESTION: DO YOU THINK LUKEWARM CHRISTIANS GO IN THE PRETRIB RAPTURE?
This article has covered the subject of the rapture in great detail and is well done. There is one question that must be made, what happens after the mid tribulation with the survivors. We know by the scriptures that Jesus separates them into the goats and the sheep. Are the sheep believers or they are accepted becuase they met the critiria He mentions that these people did. Hungry- fed me, in jail- visited me etc.
The article is very educational about was is known as the rapture.
Bruce Baber (21 Feb 2009)
“THE BIG QUESTION: DO YOU THINK LUKEWARM CHRISTIANS GO IN THE PRETRIB RAPTURE?“
Introduction:
Parallels in the Bible
Judaic poetry was composed using parallels. Not the meter and rhyme that we are used to. Here’s just one example out of the thousands that occur in our Bible. Psalm 119: “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.” Lamp to my feet” and “light to my path” are parallel ways of saying the same thing. Now look at a familiar Bible story. In Genesis chapter 37 we are introduced to a boy named Joseph. Notice the parallels in this story with the life of Jesus.
Here’s some of the parallels between Joseph and Jesus:
Son of a wealthy, loving father/ shepherd/ each given a special coat/ taken to Egypt/ became a servant/ ministry began at thirty/ filled with the Spirit/ gave bread to the hungry/ resisted temptations/ prophesied/ falsely accused/ condemned between two prisoners/ one prisoner saved and one was not. /Joseph married just before the seven years of famine and Jesus will take His bride before the seven years of tribulation!
I could go on and on. There are over twenty parallels between them. The point is this. God speaks to us through His word in parallels. He uses parallels to teach us! There is a parallel in the scriptures that teaches us something about the end-time church!
The Two Feet of the Body of Christ
The Mystery of the End-Time Church…
by Bruce Baber
The two feet of the statue in Daniel’s vision symbolize the end-time empire.
The two feet of the body of Christ symbolize the end-time church!
I was in the delivery room with my wife when both of our children were born. I remember how anxious and excited I was as a proud, expectant father. Both Suzanne and I were so relieved and happy when the doctor announced, “I can see the head!” In the moments that followed, there was a body and last, those two tiny feet. Our joy was fulfilled when we saw each of our children born whole and complete into this world.
Of course, the joy we felt cannot equal God’s joy with the birth of His church. After all, He had waited and planned for it for so long! Is the analogy accurate? Is the comparison of a baby’s birth to the church’s birth a fair comparison to make? Absolutely! The church is the Body of Christ and He is the head. The Bible states this in a number of passages quite clearly. See Ephesians 4:12 and 5:23.
Here also is what Paul wrote in I Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 12:12-26
12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its p arts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body.
And further on in I Corinthians 12: 18-20 it reads:
18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
Knowing that we are part of the body of Christ, we may also find it interesting to go back and read Psalm 139. It certainly speaks about how God formed us in the womb and knew us before we were born as individuals into this world. However, when we view this Psalm in terms of the birth of the church as Christ’s body, i t takes on both a very symbolic and prophetic meaning.
In fact, there are many places in the Bible that hint at what was to become the future birth of the church. But, once we begin to focus on the birth of the church and begin to think in those terms, we are left with a very obvious conclusion. If the church is born into this world like a baby, with first the head (Christ) appearing, followed in succession by the other parts of the body, then the end-time church would naturally have to be the feet.
We, the end-time church, are the feet of the Body of Christ! This fact is important. It allows us to see if God has foreshadowed any events which relate to this part of the church. Now that we know how to look for it, we find that the Bible has a great deal to tell us!
It seems staggering to me that so much has been written on the two feet of the image which appears in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream which is found in the book of Daniel. Volumes and volumes! Daniel, him se lf, tells us that the feet of the statue represent the end-time empire. We know this is the revived Roman Empire. Much has been said in books, sermons, lectures and discussions about the feet of the statue. If the Bible gives us so much to go on regarding the feet of the image in the book of Daniel, isn’t it possible that the Bible would give us at least as much detail about the end-time church? In fact, it gives us a great amount.
One Heel Will be Bruised
All the way back in Genesis 3:15, we find a veiled reference relating to a foot, or heel, which will be injured by Satan. Practically everyone agrees that this is a reference to the crucifixion of Christ. So do I. Jesus’ feet were pierced when He was crucified. Genesis 3:15 certainly does symbolize the crucifixion event. However, it is also a veiled foreshadowing of an event which pertains to the end-time church. How do I know this? Because the Bible doesn’t make mistakes. Genesis 3:15 clearly says heel (singular) . It does not say heels (plural). During the crucifixion, both of Jesus’ feet were pierced. I am utterly convinced that when God was speaking in Genesis 3:15, He was at the same time making a veiled prophecy about the end-time church! Just as the statue in Daniel has two feet which represent the end-time world power, so the end-time church is represented by two feet, one of which will be bruised, or persecuted by the seed of Satan! God says that one heel will be bruised, not two. What happens to the other foot? The answer is simple. One part of the church (one foot) will have gone in the Rapture! It was the front foot.
(Note: If the seed / offspring of the serpent refers to the antichrist and the seed/ offspring of the woman refers to body of Christ which is the church, then the foot of Christ, or church left behind may be responsible for the head wound that the antichrist receives. Someone who is a member of the body of Christ that is left behind which I refer to as the second foot, may somehow deliver one or two blows to the antichrist thus wounding his head causing him to be blinded in one eye and another wound which would cause the antichrist‘s arm to wither. This attack on the antichrist would happen close to the midpoint of the tribulation and seem to kill the antichrist. However, the antichrist will rise up fully possessed by the devil).
I remember something that happened to me when I was a young boy. I was fishing with some older boys at a pond. Sunning itself beside the water’s edge was a poisonous copperhead snake. I didn’t see it. I stepped right on top of it. The moment it moved under my foot, I saw it and jumped. That snake was mad! It came after me. Thankfully, my friends were there to chase it away with their fishing poles. But, had that snake caught me, it would surely have bitten me on the back of my heel. I was running from it. My heel was the only place it could have struck me. When Satan chases and persecutes the end-time church, which is represented symbolically by the feet, he will surely bruise and afflict the heel of the foot which is fleeing from him. One foot of the church will be beyond his grasp. It will have departed.
Enoch and Elijah
Back to foreshadowing. If one foot of the church is taken in the Rapture, we should find it foreshadowed in the scriptures. It’s there, of course. Enoch. We find him raptured way back in Genesis. He is the first one to have ever been taken away. But, he isn’t the last one! There is further foreshadowing of a second Rapture. Elijah. He foreshadows the Rapture of the second foot of the persecuted end-time church. Elijah’s life perfectly represents the church of the persecution during the Tribulation. At various times he had to go into hiding. He was persecuted by King Ahab and his wife Jezebel who participated in the vilest forms of idolatry. Of special interest is the fact that during a period of about three years, there was a severe drought and famine. He had to leave his country and live with a widow who miraculously supplied him with food. On another occasion, Elijah was supplied with food by ravens. Later, he was helped by an angel who provided food and water. At various times, Elijah would say he was the only believer left.
Taken together, all these instances make a dramatic parallel to the events which transpire for the Christians who have to go through the persecution. Not being able to buy or sell, they will be forced from their homes and depend on miraculous provision from God. They too may feel like they are the only true believers who are left. However, they are not alone. God will not abandon them just as he did not abandon Elijah. Moreover, the persecuted Christians will have the same source of strength that Elijah had. They will receive the Holy Spirit. Remember what the Amplified Bible calls the Holy Spirit? He is called the Comforter, Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby.
The Departure and Return of the Holy Spirit
There are many who teach that when the Pre-Tribulation church goes in the (first) Rapture, the Holy Spirit departs with them. This is only partially true. The Holy Spirit does go with them. However, he does return. Just like our blessed Savior who departed, but will come again. Can this be proven? Yes! Beyond any doubt. In John 14:16, Jesus said, “I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter, that He may abide with you forever.” A little further on, Jesus said, “I will not leave you comfortless.” I would call this teaching pretty direct. But, let’s see if it fits with what we know about the end-time church being the symbolic feet of Christ. Earlier , I sa id that once w e knew that the end-time church is symbolically represented by the feet of Christ, it would lead us to discover what God has in store. Let’s find out.
On two separate occasions, Jesus’ feet were anointed with a costly perfume. Luke 7:38 and John 12:3 describe two separate, but similar events. In each case, Jesus’ feet were anointed with costly perfume. Read the passages and compare them for yourself. They are two separate events! One occurs in the house of a Pharisee and other event occurs in the home of Mary and Martha. Here is what John Wesley said in his commentary on Luke 7:37. “A woman – Not the same with Mary of Bethany, who anointed him six days before his last passover. ”
The perfume is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. What a perfectly harmonious analogy! The church which goes in the first Rapture has the Holy Spirit. Later, the remaining church is given the Holy Spirit! This brings me to an important point. The very reason that part of the church is left behind at the first Rapture is because they are living without the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives right now! They will be left out of the first event and have to live through a terrible persecution because they are not living for Jesus in the present. What a terrible tragedy!
I believe that for a period of time, the church of the persecution (symbolized by the second foot of Christ) will have to endure without the Holy Spirit. They will be like Jeremiah, who in Lamentations 1:16, said, “For these things I weep; my eyes flow with tears, because a comforter, one who could refresh and restore my soul, is far from me…” (Amplified Bible). But, please remember that God will not abandon this church. They will be sent the Holy Spirit. After all, it was ten days after Jesus departed this world before the Holy Spirit was sent.
The Foolish Virgins
Jesus taught a parable which is a warning about being caught without enough of the Holy Spirit at His com ing t o take t he church into Heaven. It is known as the parable of the foolish virgins.
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there not be enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door (which opens in heaven at the Rapture) was shut (like the door of the Ark) Afterward came also the other virgins, saying Lord, Lord , open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Christ is the bridegroom coming for His bride, the church. The oil represents the Holy Spirit. We should not be like foolish virgins and be left behind at the first trumpet call.
The Servants Who Missed the Wedding
The following scripture may be the clincher. Read Luke 12:36. The characters are not virgins waiting to be taken to a wedding. They are servants waiting for their master to return for them after he has been to the wedding!
35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night.
Does this mean that the first foot caught up in the rapture joins the others in Heaven to be the bride of Christ and join Him in the marriage supper? Does this mean that the second foot which is caught up later is not the bride, but is still considered His servants? These questions occur to me and I think the answer may be “yes.” The book of Joel has a passage about the Holy Spirit being given to waiting servants…
Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’
Two Trumpet Calls
When the Jews were wandering in the wilderness, before entering the Promised Land, there were two trumpet calls in the morning to prepare the people to move out. The first one called the leaders of the tribes. The second one called the remainder of the people. Just as with the ancient Jews, there will be two trumpet calls for the church. Both trumpet calls are to the two coming rapture events. If you are reading this before the first Rapture, I urge you to pray for the fullness of the Holy Spirit in your life and the lives of all your loved ones. Do it now! Don’t wait. Be ready when the first call is made. You do not have to endure the agony of persecution.
If you are reading this after the first call, take heart. The Holy Spirit will come. Pray for the Holy Spirit unceasingly and God will surely provide. And just like with Elijah, God will provide sustenance, food when you need it, water when you need it. It might not be a feast. It might onl y be as little as what a bird can bring (remember Elijah being fed by the ravens). God will never abandon you, no matter how you feel. Don’t go with feelings. Go with faith! There is hope for you. He will give food, the Holy Spirit and a second call to join Him in Heaven at the second Rapture. Remember, just like feet, we mount up the stairs one foot at a time.
Jacob’s Ladder
One foot at a time. That’s how we climb the steps of a ladder, or go up the stairs. In Genesis 28:12, Jacob has a dream. It is one of the most familiar passages in the Bible and yet many of us have missed its significance.
“He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. ” Yes. It is a ladder. In all my life, I never climbed a ladder using two feet at a time. The point is simple and well taken. The two symbolic feet of Christ’s body will mount up to Heaven in two stages. There will be two Raptures.
Is this the only example we can look at? No. Look at the Song of Solomon. So many people ignore this book. I don’t know why. It is one of the most beautiful books in the Bible. One of the reasons that I delight in reading it is because it gives us a wonderful insight into how God views the Bride of Christ. Please remember that the body, the church, is also the Bride of Christ and is described in those terms in a number of different
passages.
In the Song of Solomon (chapter 2, verse 10) the inspired word of God says, “My beloved speaks to me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away…” At the Rapture, God will call us to rise up! A few verses later (verse 14), the Amplified Bible says, “So I went with him, and when we were climbing the rocky steps…” There it is again! Steps. Steps which we can only climb up one foot at a time.
It would be easy at this point to digress. There is a great deal more that could be made out of the foreshadowing in the Song of Solomon. However, the point I would most like to bring out, regards the specific reference this book makes about the feet. Please notice the beautiful descriptions attributed to each part of the body. We see how God feels about each and every part. The feet are described as being beautiful (chapter 7, verse 1). God truly loves us! To Him, we are beautiful despite all our faults. Despite all we have ever done, God finds beauty in us.
Do I Have any Other Proof?
Up to this point, if you only believe there is one rapture and that it occurs before the tribulation, then how do you reconcile your belief with Genesis 18:22-33? Read this passage directly from the New International Version.
Genesis 18:23-33
23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing–to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.” 27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.” 29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?” He said, “For the sake of forty, I w ill not do it.” 30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?” He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” 33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
If God won’t even destroy a city such as wicked Sodom, how can you accept an unchangeable God destroying the world unless you accept that no one will get saved after the rapture of the Bride? I contend that people will get saved. They will endure persecution and death. They will be caught up to Heaven.
The story of Abraham leaving the area of Sodom would parallel the first rapture. Read the story about Lot. He is warned to leave Sodom too. But not until moments before God’s wrath is poured out on the city! This would be the parallel to a prewrath rapture which presumably occurs at the midpoint of the tribulation.
I know what you must be thinking. If there are two separate Raptures, then when will they occur? I truly don’t know. I believe we are in the final days. As for the second Rapture, look at Revelation 2:10. Once again, I will quote from the Amplified Bible:
“Fear nothing that you are about to suffer. Dismiss your dread and your fears! Behold, the devil is indeed about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested and proven and critically appraised; and for ten days you will have affliction. Be loyally faithful unto death – (that is) even if you must die for it – and I will give you the crown of life.”
My guess is that the second rapture occurs when the two witnesses are taken up in the book of Revelation. At the midway point of tribulation? I suppose. I can only conclude that it is far better to be a participant in the first rapture. God doesn’t want us to endure the coming persecution. He gives us a way out! We just have to be ready. Remember those virgins who were waiting for the bridegroom to come? Some were ready and some foolishly were not. I urge you to pray. Pray that the Holy Spirit will come fully and completely to live in you. Be filled with His presence. Accept not only God’s salvation and accept Him as Lord of your life. Do it now. Please do not wait.
Finally, let me address why I think that very few people have caught on to the Two Rapture Theory. I think it’s the same reason that there was confusion in Jesus’ day when people missed the fact that the Messiah would have to come twice. The prophecies would often show the first and second coming in the sam e context. Passages that relate to the two raptures are perceived by readers as being all about one and the same event.
Do I believe that there are two rapture events? Yes, until I am confronted with compelling evidence that would lead me to believe otherwise. In the end, what matters most is that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. May God be with you and may He give us all faith, hope, peace, humility, understanding and love.
Post Script: This study may have you lost if you don’t know your Bible. Get your Bible and read it! Here is a sequence of events of a period of time called the tribulation. It starts after the pretribulation rapture. Following the pretrib rapture, there comes the tribulation which lasts for a total of seven years. The first three-and-a-half years are bad. The second tree-and-a-half years are much worse. This second part is called the Great Tribulation.
1. Pretribulation rapture. This occurs before seven years of a terrible time of wars and persecution. The pretribulation rapture may happen just before or just after the war between Israel and Syria.
2. Destruction of Damascus, Syria. I believe Israel will utterly destroy Damascus with probably a nuclear weapon in response to a missile attack from Syria. The Syrian missiles will probably have chemical or biological warheads and may accidentally strike unintended targets such as Gaza which is inhabited by the pro-Syria Palestinians. Israel will retaliate and win the war and then be lulled or pressured into a peace treaty. The peace treaty will be instigated by the antichrist. The antichrist will seem good and everyone will be fooled into believing that he is the savior of the world. The Jews may start to rebuild the temple at this time. If not now, then after the war of Gog and Magog.
3. Two mysterious men will appear in Jerusalem and begin to preach. These are men sent by God to preach the truth. One of them will be Elijah. The other could be Moses or Enoch. They will do miracles and will stop the rain. They will denounce the antichrist and show men that Jesus is the only true savior, the one and only true Son of God, truly God and truly human and the only one who died on a cross to save us from Hell and our sins, who was resurrected from the grave and who is coming back to reign on earth.
4. War of Gog and Magog. An alliance between Russia, Iran and a confederation of Moslem countries including some from Africa will come against Israel which will be caught off guard. God will annihilate Israel’s enemies.
5. The antichrist will have started to pull together a one-world empire with one centrally controlled currency (electronically perhaps). The antichrist will be backed by a religious leader that the Bible calls the false prophet. The false prophet will do seemingly miraculous things whenever he is in the presence of the antichrist. The antichrist will not allow anyone to buy or sell without a special mark. THE BIBLE WARNS THAT EVERYONE WHO GETS THE MARK WILL GO TO HELL! Christians who finally wake up and refuse the mark will be persecuted, jailed, even killed. God will give them special rewards in Heaven. The antichrist will succeed in killing God’s two witnesses in Jerusalem.
6. Prewrath rapture and the beginning of the last three-and-a-half years called the Great Tribulation. Christians will be caught up to Heaven and finally be free from the persecution of the antichrist. The world will watch in amazement as the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead and are caught up to Heaven.
7. God will now start to pour out His wrath for the Great Tribulation lasting three-and-a-half years.. Millions will die and go to Hell. Earthquakes such as the world has never known, more wars, famine, disease. Even meteors or comets hit the earth. The antichrist will get even worse as the devil himself possesses him. He will invade Israel with a vast army. China and an alliance of Asian nations called the Kings of the East in the Bible come against the army of the antichrist. The final war of Armageddon is waged. At the height of this war, Jesus returns with His army of saints from Heaven and Jesus wages war on the armies of mankind. Jesus kills them with the words of His mouth.
8. Jesus reigns on earth as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Post Script: Draw two stick figures on a sheet of paper. The first one will represent the statue in Daniel’s vision. Label the head Babylon. The arms and shoulders will be the Medes and Persians. The torso is Greece. The legs are the eastern and western Roman empire. Lastly the feet are the end-time empire. Now start labeling the second figure with Christ as the head. The arms and shoulders are Ephesus and Smyrna. The torso is Pergamos. The legs are Thyatira and Sardis. The end-time church is represented by Philadelphia and Laodicea. Many have wrongly labeled all of the end-time church as Laodicea because it is mentioned last in Revelations. However this best describes the state of the end-time church in Europe and parts of the US. The Philadelphia church is still very much alive and full of the Holy Spirit in some parts of the US, Africa and China. The end time churches are truly represented by the two feet of the body of Christ.
Post Script: I did not come up with the following, but surely believe that there is truth in it. Paul said to use the Jewish festivals as a way to view prophecy.
The first Spring harvest is the barley harvest which would represent the pretribulation rapture.
Barley is harvested by winnowing… tossing the grain up in the air to separate the grain from the husk.
The next harvest is the wheat harvest which could very well represent a prewrath rapture.
Wheat in ancient times was harvested using a tribulum (a word we get tribulation from)!
The tribulum was a board embedded with stones to bruise the kernels of wheat to separate it from the chaff.
Lastly comes the harvest of grapes. At the second coming, Christ will trod the grapes in the winepress of His wrath.
I found these parallels to be profoundly thought provoking. I look for the pretrib rapture in the Spring (perhaps April 2009) and rejoice believing that at long last He is at the door.
This is a follow up to the last post here. Click on the link to see the cover of the magazine
Nando
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2009/tng221.htm
John Tng (21 Feb 2009)
“Hiding in Plain Sight“
Dear Doves,
President Obama appears on the front cover of the current issue of Reader’s Digest (below). I wasn’t really looking for anything in particular at first. For some reason, the time on his wrist watch caught my attention. I took a closer look and was truly shocked when I realized that he was wearing his name BARACK on his hand! Is he into steganography, the art and science of hiding things in plain sight? Or is it just pure coincidence?
You decide.
The Hebrew gematria value of BARACK is 302 and the time on Obama’s watch reads 3:02.
This guy is creepy.
John
(Feb 18, 2009) Bible proof that Barack Hussein Obama is the antichrist
(Feb 18, 2009) Bible proof that Barack Hussein Obama is the antichrist
http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html
A number sent from God
Dear readers today I went to the web site fivedoves.com and there was an article by Mr. John Tng about Obama. This article is a grand work of discovery by Mr. Tng and the other person mentioned. For those of you that want to follow his numbers it is required that you see the tables for the numerical equivalent of the letters of the alphabet in English, Greek and Hebrew.
In some of my postings I have placed these tables before. A copy of the article is included in this post as well as a web link to it.
John Tng (3 Feb 2009) “CHANGE is coming to a Planet near you!”
John Tng (29 Dec 2008)
“The Revelation of John“
John Tng (19 Dec 2008)
“The US ‘08 Election prophesied in the Bible!“
John Tng (2 Dec 2008)
“Is the Man of Sin Revealed?“
John Tng (22 Nov 2008)
“Has the Penny Finally Dropped?“
John Tng (27 Oct 2008)
“Psalm 108“
The following is the home page for the gematrias:
http://homepage.virgin.net/vernon.jenkins/oracle.htm#OR1
Standard English Gematria
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A=1 |
B=2 |
C=3 |
D=4 |
E=5 |
F=6 |
G=7 |
H=8 |
I=9 |
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J=10 |
K=20 |
L=30 |
M=40 |
N=50 |
O=60 |
P=70 |
Q=80 |
R=90 |
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S=100 |
T=200 |
U=300 |
V=400 |
W=500 |
X=600 |
Y=700 |
Z=800 |
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Reduced English Gematria
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A=1 |
B=2 |
C=3 |
D=4 |
E=5 |
F=6 |
G=7 |
H=8 |
I=9 |
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J=1 |
K=2 |
L=3 |
M=4 |
N=5 |
O=6 |
P=7 |
Q=8 |
R=9 |
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S=1 |
T=2 |
U=3 |
V=4 |
W=5 |
X=6 |
Y=7 |
Z=8 |
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And finally the link for today’s Tng last article:
http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2008/obama_666_part5.html
Yours in Jesus
Nando
(Feb 17, 2009) Obama Threatens Keyes and Other Eligibility Plaintiffs
THERE WAS A POSTING TODAY IN fivedoves.com THAT SEND ME TO THE KEYES WEB SITE. HE IS ONE OF THE PERSONS THAT HAS CHALLENGED OBAMA’S BIRTH PROOF IN THE SUPREME COURT.
http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-threatens-keyes-and-other.html
(Feb 15, 2009) Obama and the pending court cases.
A few weeks back I published a letter stating that I had seen a license plate with the number 555 and another with the 777 and another with the 77. After I thought that the case numbers in the US Supreme Court Order # 555 was the reference to the plates and that the case of Berg against Obama at that time was going to bear fruit, which it did not . Today I went to Mr. Bergs web site and found that he has three other cases pending, but what caught my attention is the following.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court #12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531 Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
As you can see his address is 555 Andorra… and he is pursuing cases that will eventually go to the Supreme Court. Now I think that the double incidence of the cases being 555 and the address was what God was calling my attention too. My interpretation is that Mr. Berg will be successful in the Court which this year carries the number 555 for all its cases.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/nando113-1.htm
Also I have read about the # 555 relating to Obama. Time will tell and a short one at that.
| Welcome to Obama Crimes |
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This website was created after research indicated that Barack Obama is not a “natural born” citizen or a Citizen of the United States as required by the United States Constitution to be eligible for the Office of President. Former Deputy State Attorney General, Attorney Philip J. Berg filed a lawsuit against Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee. This case is now pending at the U. S. Supreme Court. The United States Constitution The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows: …No Person except a natural born Citizen …….. shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. (words were removed for clarification purposes only) This full page advertisement was run in the Washington Times Weekly on November 17, 2008 and December 6, 2008 and Human Events on December 6, 2008. This advertisement can be used by you to express your concern about this matter to your public representatives. We have pending three [3] other cases because we are determined, no matter how long it takes, to expose Obama’s “Hoax” on the 305 million people in our country, that Obama is “not qualified” pursuant to our U.S. Constitution to be President. Three cases are still pending on this issue: Berg vs. Obama, Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340 Berg vs. Obama, U.S. District Court Hollister vs. Barry Soetoro a/k/a Obama U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Docket # 08-02254 Case filed 12/31/08, Defendants answer is pending |
Nando
(Feb 15, 2009) Barack Bible Number Codes
A short video about Obama
(Feb 13, 2009) J.R. Church program about Freemasonry, the Illuminati and Albert Pike visions of world war I, II and III
(Feb 13, 2009) J.R. Church program about Freemasonry, the Illuminati and Albert Pike visions of world war I, II and III
Dear readers today I watched prophecyinthenews.com and clicked on Wednesday date. The program was very interesting and it referred to Albert Pike and his involvement with Freemasonry and his satanic visions of three world wars. The programs on prophecy in the news are new every day and by Monday at three this week’s programs will be gone so you reader may have two days to watch the program.
From the information I got from the program I did a search in Google about the book mentioned in the program Mystery of Freemasonry unveiled by Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez from Santiago Chile published in 1925 and I found a Christian site that has the information that Mr. Church read in the program. I copied the web address and it is posted below.
http://redemptionservice.com/Contents/study_02_birth_of_the_illuminati_-_part2.asp
May Jesus come quickly to save us Christians and all His elect before these diabolical plans can be put in play by the Iluminati and their antichrist.
Yours in Jesus
Nando
Ron Reese (10 Feb 2009) “NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT–HOW CLOSE ARE WE?? FEB. 17th–18th??”
Ron Reese (10 Feb 2009)
“NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT–HOW CLOSE ARE WE?? FEB. 17th–18th??“
Below is a tract that I wrote in the 1990’s, with some minor revisions. It seems like the right time to post this warning message. When Obama received his crown on Jan. 20th of this year, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse began riding, with Obama being the rider on the white horse. The next of the four horsemen is the rider on the red horse, who comes to take peace from the earth, most likely with NUCLEAR DESTRUCTION.
In Zechariah, Chapter 1, there is reference to a red horse rider, and the preceding verse mentions the 24th day of the 11th month, which would correspond to Feb. 18 of this year, using the Jewish civil calendar. I am convinced that 7 and 11 are the key numbers of the Rapture/and/or Sudden Destruction. I am still trying to spiritually discern the meaning of those numbers. It is very interesting that Genesis 7:11 tells us that the Great Flood came on the 17th day of the 2nd month.
Could this be a clue for the Sudden Destruction/Rapture? Or maybe it is the BEGINNING OF WWIII, which could culminate this Spring. Feb. 17th (the Genesis 7:11 date?) and Feb. 18th (the red horse rider date in Zechariah 1) could be referring to the same day, depending on what time zone you are in. With Benjamin Netanyahu on the verge of being elected Prime Minister of Israel on Feb 10th, it seems entirely possible that Feb 17?18 are daates worth watching. The Israeli ambassador to Australia let it slip, (or was it really a slip?), a few days ago, that Israel would attack Iran within one month. A confrontation with Israel and Iran could easily ignite World War III. BE WATCHING CLOSELY FEB. 17?18!!!
NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT!!?HOW CLOSE ARE WE??
NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT!!—HOW CLOSE ARE WE?? Not exactly a pleasant thought, is it? After reading the next paragraph, some of you will probably not read any further. The average person wants to be like the proverbial ostrich and bury his head in the sand, ignoring the situation, ignoring what the Bible has to say, and pretend like nuclear war is never going to take place.
THERE NOW EXISTS THE EXTREME LIKELIHOOD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS BEING UNLEASHED UPON THIS EARTH IN THE VERY, VERY NEAR FUTURE, for the following reasons:
- The recent spread of nuclear weapons into radical countries such as North Korea, Iran, and possibly Syria, should be cause for great alarm for the entire world. THE MOUNTING FRICTION BETWEEN IRAN AND ISREAL COULD EXPLODE INTO WORLD WAR III ANY DAY NOW!!!
- There are numerous Scriptures that make it almost a virtual certainty that nuclear weapons will be used during the rapidly approaching Tribulation period. That time is almost here!
- The extremely high tensions in and around Israel. Israel is one of the top nuclear threats in the world today and Scriptures strongly suggest a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East for the last days. (Isaiah Chapters 13?23)
- The Bible indicates in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that Russia will be the nation that ignites World War III. No, Russia is not the peace-loving democratic country that it is being portrayed as. A leopard does not change its spots overnight. RUSSIA IS NOW AN AWESOME MILITARY POWER, WITH MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!! Disarmament? Don’t be naïve. It’s all talk and almost no action. The U.S. is disarming, but not Russia.
- Since the “breakup” of the Soviet Union, there has been a VERY RAPID SPREAD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY INTO NUMEROUS THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES! The number of countries possessing nuclear weapons or nuclear technology is constantly increasing. Several reports have placed nuclear suitcase bombs in the hands of terrorists, very possibly in the U.S.
- The VERY RAPID emergence of all the other prophetic signs in the Bible that indicate that the End of this Age is getting EXTREMELY CLOSE!!!
The reason for confronting you with these alarming facts is so that you will be confronted with your eternal destiny! Millions upon millions upon millions of people (over one-half the population of the earth, according to the Book of Revelation) will die during this time of Tribulation when these horrible weapons of mass destruction are unleashed! YOU MAY BE ONE OF THEM! If you are, WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY?
When the atomic bombs hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, probably not one person out of the tens of thousands of people who were killed instantly, was thinking that their life would be over in a split second. There was no time to meditate upon their eternal destiny. No time to prepare to meet God.
Right now you do have the opportunity to meditate on your eternal destiny. According to the Bible there are only two choices. Heaven and Hell are both VERY REAL PLACES! (There is absolutely NO Biblical evidence of purgatory. It is a fictional invention of man?not a place prepared by God.)
Be honest with yourself. If your life should end in a split second as millions will when these bombs hit the earth, WHERE WOULD YOU SPEND ETERNITY? “It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the Judgment.” (Hebrews 9:27)
The Bible is pre-written history because God knows the beginning from the end. NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT?HOW CLOSE ARE WE?? We have already presented you with evidence that we believe shows that we are VERY, VERY CLOSE TO NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT! PREPARE TO MEET THY GOD! YOU MAY NOT HAVE A SECOND CHANCE!
Does the Bible really predict the unleashing of nuclear weapons in these LAST DAYS in which we are NOW living? You be the judge. Some believe that God’s wrath during the Tribulation will all be supernatural and not through the works of man, but Psalms 110:5 says, “The Lord at thy right hand, shall strike through kings in the day of His wrath.”
Jeremiah, Chapter 25, has an OMINOUS WARNING for us today. Verses 32 and 33 warn, “Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation and a GREAT WHIRLWIND (nuclear explosion?) shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. AND THE SLAIN OF THE EARTH SHALL BE AT THAT DAY FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH EVEN UNTO THE OTHER END OF THE EARTH: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.”
This certainly is not a pretty picture and the next two verses do not get any better: “Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye PRINCIPAL OF THE FLOCK; for the days of your dispersions are accomplished: and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel. They have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore, hath the curse DEVOURED THE EARTH, AND THEY THAT DWELL THEREIN ARE DESOLATE. THEREFORE, THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH ARE BURNED, AND FEW MEN LEFT.”
What a frightening picture!!! The word “desolate” means laid waste; in a ruinous condition; destroyed; made uninhabitable. IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE NUCLEAR DESTRUCTION!!! The “principal of the flock” could very well represent the United States. It is not only the most powerful country in the world but also the PRINCIPAL country in presenting the gospel and in supplying the rest of the world with missionaries.
Other Bible scholars see a nuclear confrontation between the U.S. and Russia in Ezekiel 39:6, which says, “And I will send A FIRE on Magog (Russia), and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles (United States?) Here is a quote from a speech made by Mikhail Gorbachev in 1987, when he was President of the Soviet Union: “Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glastnost, perestroika, and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward (Western) comsumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. OUR PURPOSE IS TO DISARM THE AMERICANS AND TO LET THEM FALL ASLEEP.”
He went on to state that the goals of the Soviet Union were to get the U.S. to:
- Withdraw conventional forces from Europe.
- Withdraw nuclear forces from Europe.
- Stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars).
There goals have now been achieved. The Wounded Bear may be ready to strike SOON!
II Peter 3:10 says, “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with A GREAT NOISE AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT(the results of nuclear weapons?, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.” Zechariah 14:12 also sounds exactly like the results of nuclear warfare. “Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.”
This verse could be describing YOU! This little pamphlet could be God’s LAST WARNING TO YOU! Isn’t it about time you stopped putting your faith in mankind to somehow solve all these problems in relation to nuclear weapons and put your faith in God. God is going to remove the born-again Christians off the face of the earth in what is known as the Rapture of the Church (I Thessalonians 4:16-18), just before the massive destruction begins. If YOU do not know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, you will either be destroyed in this catastrophic Tribulation period or left behind in the wake of the nuclear aftermath. JESUS CHRIST IS YOUR ONLY HOPE!!!
Luke 17:28-30 is a type of God removing the righteous people (the Rapture of the born-again Christians), followed immediately by SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. It is a description of the unsaved world today, totally unsuspecting, totally unprepared, totally pre-occupied with the CARES OF THIS LIFE.
The verses read like this: “As it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED THEM ALL. EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED.”
These sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah received no advance warning. They received no second chance. These verses tell us that’s the same way it will be the day Christ returns. No advance warning and no second chance for MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people. If YOU don’t get save BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, perhaps you will be one of them.
If you are not yet convinced of the magnitude of this destruction, let’s take a look at the Book of Revelation. Chapter 6, verses 4 and 8, says, “And there went out another horse that was red: and POWER (nuclear?) was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that they should KILL ONE ANOTHER: and there was given unto him A GREAT SWORD (nuclear weapons?). And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him AND POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO THEM OVER THE FOURTH PART OF THE EARTH, TO KILL WITH SWORD, AND WITH HUNGER, AND WITH DEATH?”
The following apocalyptic judgment appears in Revelation 8:7, “The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and FIRE MINGLED WITH BLOOD, and they were cast upon the earth: and THE THIRD PART OF TREES WAS BURNT UP, AND ALL GREEN GRASS WAS BURNT UP.” Doesn’t this sound like the result of NUCLEAR DESTRUCTION? Revelation 9:18 says, “By these three was THE THIRD PART OF MEN KILLED, by the FIRE, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone?”
NUCLEAR MIDNIGHT—HOW CLOSE ARE WE? An in-depth study of end-times Bible prophecy and an open-minded analysis of current events in our present world confirm that we are VERY, VERY CLOSE! II Peter 3: 11-12 should give all of us reason to examine ourselves and our relationship with God: “Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hastening unto the coming of the day of God, wherein THE HEAVENS BEING ON FIRE SHALL BE DISSOLVED, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT.” (Nuclear bombs?)
The message of this tract has been quite sobering and quite frightening, if you are not a born-again Christian. How foolish you would be to continue to put your faith in mankind! (Russia and China have their nuclear missiles aimed at the U.S., even as you are reading this.) We are so close NOW to the Second Coming of Christ and nuclear devastation that every day you go without Jesus, you are playing RAPTURE ROULETTE WITH YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY! Isn’t it about time you placed your trust in God, and not in men? You can become a born-again Christian and take place in the GREAT ESCAPE, the Rapture of the Church, by saying this prayer and meaning it in your heart:
“Dear Lord, I know that I am a sinner and that you died on the cross for my sins. I repent of my sins and turn my life over to you. I receive you as my personal Lord and Saviour. Help me to live a victorious Christian life from now until you come to take me to Heaven. Deliver me from the wrath and destruction that is SOON to fall on this wicked, sin-filled world. In Jesus’ name, I pray. Amen.”
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, AND FIRE, AND PILLARS OF SMOKE. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED.” (Joel 2:30-32)
Ron Reese
Rgreese49@aol.com
Bob Ware (12 Feb 2008) “Gematrias for ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ yield Greek gematrias for: CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST and LORD JESUS CHRIST”
A continuation of the article posted before this.
Nando
Bob Ware (12 Feb 2008)
“Gematrias for ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ yield Greek gematrias for: CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST and LORD JESUS CHRIST“
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I am speechless, Bob!
John
‘Prime’ numbers are only evenly divisible by themselves and 1. All the remaining numbers are the ‘composite’ numbers. In the range from 1 to 78 there are 22 prime numbers. The sum of these first 22 prime numbers (713) is the prime number gematria of ‘JESUS CHRIST’ (as derived from the Greek spelling). The sum of the remaining 56 composite numbers is 2368. This is the Greek gematria of ‘JESUS CHRIST’. The last three words of Genesis 1:1 are ‘heaven and earth’. The composite number gematria for ‘heaven and earth’ is 713. The composite number gematria for ‘Masonic Symbols’ is also 713 and the prime number gematria is 1996.
There are two sets of ASCII codes for the 26 letters of the English alphabet. The values 65 to 90 are assigned to the 26 uppercase letters ‘A’ to ‘Z’ and the values 97 to 122 are assigned to the 26 lowercase letters ‘a’ to ‘z’. Since there are two sets of ASCII codes for the 26 English letters I assigned the first 26 prime numbers to the uppercase letters and the next 26 prime numbers to the lowercase letters. I did the same thing for the composite numbers. Thus, there are 78 different values assigned to uppercase letters and another 78 values assigned to the lowercase letters.
The sum of the composite number gematrias for ‘President Obama’ is 666.
The first word ‘President’ is: 26+63+46+64+51+45+46+57+65 = 463. The second word ‘Obama’ is: 25+42+40+56+40 = 203. 203 is the gematria for ‘created’ which is the second word in Genesis 1:1. The composite number gematria for ‘STAR OF DAVID’ is also 203. The sum of the ASCII codes for ‘Star of David’ is 1111.
New discoveries:
Again, there are three possible ASCII code gematrias for a word: all uppercase letters, title case combination and then all lowercase letters.
‘Barack Hussein Obama’ > ASCII code sum equals: 1795
‘BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’ > gematria from the first (uppercase) set of 26 primes equals: 456
‘barack hussein obama’ > gematria from the second (lowercase) set of 26 composite numbers equals: 917
1795 + 456 + 917 equals: 3168 > the Greek gematria of ‘LORD JESUS CHRIST’
‘Barack Hussein’ > ASCII code sum equals: 1315
‘BARACK HUSSEIN’ > gematria from the first (uppercase) set of 26 primes equals: 372
‘barack hussein’ > gematria from the second (lowercase) set of 26 composite numbers equals: 681
1315 + 372 + 681 equals: 2368 > the Greek gematria for ‘JESUS CHRIST’
‘Barack’ > applying both sets ASCII codes equals: 580
‘Barack’ > applying both sets of primes equals: 653
‘Barack’ > applying both sets of composites equals: 247
580 + 653 + 247 equals: 1480 > the Greek gematria of ‘CHRIST’
1480 is the sum of the entire second set of 26 composite numbers.
Twelve Books - Rapture, Antichrist, False Prophet, End Time Signs, Bible Prophecy, Nando 
Rene (23 Feb 2009) “re: Hiding in Plain Sight – Lions and Tigers & Bears? Oh-MY!”
Rene (23 Feb 2009)
“re: Hiding in Plain Sight – Lions and Tigers & Bears? Oh-MY!“
P.S. – why would you name someone “renegade?” Is it because you consider them a rebel and perhaps a PEST??!!
I also did not mention the fact that this magazine cover page has the number 10 in huge letters Recall the ten-toed kingdom in the book of Daniel!?? The beast is connected to this final kingdom that sweeps over the whole earth!
Written by twelvebooks
February 24, 2009 at 3:29 am
Posted in antichrist, Biblical Prophecy, political commentary, Rapture